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[ApOsTle51]

an assembly line staffed by underpaid and exploited contract labor

It does make me snigger when i hear things like this about the Chinese Production lines.

Some of the best Jobs are in Factory work in China, Don't just assume the people making these in the factories are paid pitence and cracked with a whip if they're not working hard enough.

Big battery mods from the land of the rising sun is only a good thing in the market..It's what people want..

If this worries Trog and it should do, as it should worry most western mod makers because this is just the first step , there is already another euro modder that sailebao have also copied, they should take steps to either protect their products with patents applicable by international law or making something people will want more than the Chinese made mods.

keep up , or drop out

 

[Stickless]

Imeothanasis - ECigScrewdriver

 

[Sevenchan]

It does make me snigger when i hear things like this about the Chinese Production lines.

Some of the best Jobs are in Factory work in China

And some of the worst ones, too

OK, to be fair I don't know anything about the conditions at the specific Chinese factories that produce e-cigs... but I would still rather support an artisan and know where my money is going. That's totally separate from the quality issue, which is a whole other discussion 8-o

 

[grimmer255]

Soon they'll have all kinds of gizmos. Like an Ecig that is a popcorn poper, coffee maker, a spoon, fork and a knife, oh eliquid holder all rolled into one. Just like my favorite swiss knife. Oh did i mentioned they copied that as well... but I still buy swiss why because I know its a damn good knife. Which helped get threw even the toughest days in the military

 

[ApOsTle51]

Grimmer , that is true , there will always be people willing to pay over the odds for a higher quality tube and a better after sales service.

But I'm willing to bet a majority of users , given the choice will initially go for the cheap knockoff. $60 or $173, If i didn't know any better , I know which one I'd choose on the face of it.

 

[Stormynights]

Grimmer , that is true , there will always be people willing to pay over the odds for a higher quality tube and a better after sales service.

But I'm willing to bet a majority of users , given the choice will initially go for the cheap knockoff. $60 or $173, If i didn't know any better , I know which one I'd choose on the face of it.

If a person did buy the cheap knock off they would still want the original and would be likely to buy it later. I just do see anyone buying the cheaper one for that small of a price difference. If the original was a few thousand dollars then definitely people would buy the knock off.

 

[vinylmason]

it is the same flashlight .......ized why would you pay more for the same thing?it was just chopped up by someone else.looks like a better button on the sailbo one.I hate the button on my sd thats one of the reasons it is for sale.wish I could get a GG button put on it and my AR

 

[imeothanasis]

I realize that you are trying to draw a line in the sand to protect intelectual / design property and I get the idea you consider pv's to be like a work of art. There is nothing with this, and I respect your views towards it. I just may not totally agree in all cases.

I know what you mean by your posts Night and I am glad you see what I mean too with mines, so thats a agreement.

 

[Stickless]

it is the same flashlight .......ized why would you pay more for the same thing?it was just chopped up by someone else.looks like a better button on the sailbo one.I hate the button on my sd thats one of the reasons it is for sale.wish I could get a GG button put on it and my AR

Good point...

Notice the so called "knock off" has better button placement. (imho)

There aren't any so called "knock offs" with the button on the end that I know of... wonder why that is?

So even if someone did want "an original" flashlight modded battery pack, they couldn't get one with the switch on the side, could they?

I also just found out the "originals" aren't sealed...

dripping - ECigScrewdriver

To quote the "originator": "lets say we dont set out to seal it.. we dont check to see if it is sealed.. we dont do this because it dosnt matter.."

Doesn't matter to him... obviously.

 

[markarich159]

Oh and Robert the Television was invented by a Scottish engineer called John Logie Baird in 1926, last time i looked Scotland wasn't in the US

The first cathode ray tube to use a hot cathode was developed by John B. Johnson (who gave his name to the term Johnson noise) and Harry Weiner Weinhart of Western Electric, and became a commercial product in 1922.

The earliest version of the CRT was invented by the German physicist Ferdinand Braun in 1897 and is also known as the Braun tube.[1] It was a cold-cathode diode, a modification of the Crookes tube with a phosphor-coated screen.
In 1907, Russian scientist Boris Rosing used a CRT in the receiving end of an experimental video signal to form a picture. He managed to display simple geometric shapes onto the screen, which marked the first time that CRT technology was used for what is now known as television

So I guess it was the German's or Russian's , but the American's created the 1st Hot CRT which developed into the commercial product.

 

[imeothanasis]

I think the principle underlying Imeo's argument is that we should support artisans, not big corporations. I am in total agreement with that, regardless of how one defines originality down. I would rather pay a few dollars more for a product handmade by an artisan than one that rolled off an assembly line staffed by underpaid and exploited contract labor. That, to me, is an ethical use of my money. It's funny to hear people (not in this thread, but in general) whining because they don't want to pay a few dollars more for quality, and running after "bargains," and then going "huh?" when their jobs are outsourced to China

To be true seven, I really want to support artisans, I do it in my life everytime I can, because its the right way to go. But I understand that people have issues with their money, so sometimes they buy cheaper products, I do it too. But the point here is that its bad and illegal to produce and buy products ONLY if they are copies. I dont say not to buy cheap, I say not to buy copies and ruin the designer. All people can go cheaper with any other design EXEPT the original. Its bad to ruin the designer, we stop its mind, he cant make better products if we all "tell" him that we dont support him but big company copiers.

Its time to find a way to stop this. I believe that America is a big country with many potential buyers, so we can stop the copies from be sold there. If we win to that, then copiers will not have the big market that they want so they will stop the copy procedure.

 

[vinylmason]

Imeo my friend,You made the GG with your hands Thad made the AR with his hands,steve at PS designed his products,what has trog done but stick an atty on a flashlight?

 

[imeothanasis]

Imeothanasis - ECigScrewdriver

someone there tries to see what is behind the scene.

Nothing is behind the scene, only me. I just saw something very bad and I wanted to bring it in public and defend the right people. Someone on the SD forum show to people there my other thread because he thinks there is a connection. I dont see any connection. If someone see it please inform me.

Some people try to find what is behind the scenes all the time. Its ok and good the most of times, but here in GG forum there is only scene. Behind the scene is only the wall.

 

[Stormynights]

To be true seven, I really want to support artisans, I do it in my life everytime I can, because its the right way to go. But I understand that people have issues with their money, so sometimes they buy cheaper products, I do it too. But the point here is that its bad and illegal to produce and buy products ONLY if they are copies. I dont say not to buy cheap, I say not to buy copies and ruin the designer. All people can go cheaper with any other design EXEPT the original. Its bad to ruin the designer, we stop its mind, he cant make better products if we all "tell" him that we dont support him but big company copiers.

Its time to find a way to stop this. I believe that America is a big country with many potential buyers, so we can stop the copies from be sold there. If we win to that, then copiers will not have the big market that they want so they will stop the copy procedure.

I do believe that most suppliers have scruples but not all of them do. The people without integrity can buy from supplier of the same mind. This will just serve them all right.

 

[imeothanasis]

Imeo my friend,You made the GG with your hands Thad made the AR with his hands,steve at PS designed his products,what has trog done but stick an atty on a flashlight?

I will tell you why my good friend vin. Trog could do it by his hands (if he couldnt do it with his hands in a lathe he could do it on a CNC store) but he found an easier way. Thats a + to him. I took the dificult way because I wanted MY shape exactly and I wanted to be flexible to all my thoughts. A + to me too. But the truth is that its more dificult to make your thought work on a ready product than a product that you make it as you want. Trog did a dificult job, I did a dificult too but in another way. Trog was thinking how to fit his parts in an existing tube, I was thinking wireless style, a new shape etc. So we cant say that Trog took a flashlight and make an e-cig because if it was easy, then all people would do it.

Vapn said the other day that he cant understand why people use wires to e-cigs when its so easy to be made without them. Do you know why? Because its easy when you see it but its sometimes impossible to think it from scratch.

 

[Lisaf01]

Its time to find a way to stop this. I believe that America is a big country with many potential buyers, so we can stop the copies from be sold there. If we win to that, then copiers will not have the big market that they want so they will stop the copy procedure.

Each modder who wants to fight this properly will need patents, and will need an international corporate lawyer who specialises in product and patent issues.

Until someone does this, the copies will continue and probably at a faster rate.

We are only a very small part of the vaping community and yes, we can urge people not to buy, but people still will, it's sad but it's the way of the world........

 

[imeothanasis]

I do believe that most suppliers have scruples but not all of them do. The people without integrity can buy from supplier of the same mind. This will just serve them all right.

Yes stormy, the real problem is the buyers, not the copiers. Without buyers, no copiers at all.

 

[Ridewithme38]

Each modder who wants to fight this properly will need patents, and will need an international corporate lawyer who specialises in product and patent issues.

Until someone does this, the copies will continue and probably at a faster rate.

We are only a very small part of the vaping community and yes, we can urge people not to buy, but people still will, it's sad but it's the way of the world........

Is it true that inorder to avoid patent and copywrite issues you only need 7 points of difference? This DSE905 being produced by easily has those 7 points...

 

[imeothanasis]

Each modder who wants to fight this properly will need patents, and will need an international corporate lawyer who specialises in product and patent issues.

Until someone does this, the copies will continue and probably at a faster rate.

We are only a very small part of the aping community and yes, we can urge people not to buy, but people still will, it's sad but it's the way of the world........

We can change the world Lisa, some people in past did it, so we can too. Its a matter of how strong we are to make this change and how many people will follow. When the e-cig ban was at our door we run to stop it. We can do the same now. We can run to stop copiers.

Modders didnt copy anyone, they just improve China. China is a huge country with new ideas like any other country. They are intelligent people that make very nice inventions like e-cig.

But this fuc***ng shape is an SD, WE CANT HIDE BEHIND OUR FINGER


SD and GG have a unique shape. SD was first, GG was after. SD is copied, GG is copied too. A factory in a country saw to some people a GG saying that it was better than the original. It was an electric GG (EXACTLY the same) with a light around it, and they said that it was better than original mechanic one. Ok they lied, but is this a way to sell a product? Its a shame that some "people" want to feel like human. They have big expectations.

 

[Lisaf01]

We can change the world Lisa, some people in past did it, so we can too. Its a matter of how strong we are to make this change and how many people will follow. When the e-cig ban was at our door we run to stop it. We can do the same now. We can run to stop copiers.

Modders didnt copy anyone, they just improve China. China is a huge country with new ideas like any other country. They are intelligent people that make very nice inventions like e-cig.

But this fuc***ng shape is an SD, WE CANT HIDE BEHIND OUR FINGER


SD and GG have a unique shape. SD was first, GG was after. SD is copied, GG is copied too. A factory in a country saw to some people a GG saying that it was better than the original. It was an electric GG (EXACTLY the same) with a light around it, and they said that it was better than original mechanic one. Ok they lied, but is this a way to sell a product? Its a shame that some "people" want to feel like human. They have big expectations.

I completely agree with you and we should fight it and we must fight it. At the same time, we must be realistic and prepare for the fight by being fully armed with the right knowledge and the right help behind us.