Temperature control

[Georgio]

Hi, I am new here and I need a piece of advice from experinced members.
I am looking for my first kit. I would like it to use in a temp control mode. I have read lots of articles about it and found out that I need a mod that supports it and a special coil. I liked a mod Geekvape aegis mini but I did not find any stainless steel coils for it. Do they exist? Should I choose a different mod or I need to look for the coils further?
Thanks.

 

[greek mule]

Aegis mini does TC but devices that utilize DNA board does it perfect.You have to select a tank that has a line of ss coils available.
How you vape,mtl or dl and what is your preferred wattage?

 

[Georgio]

You have to select a tank that has a line of ss coils available.

Thanks! Now I got it. There is no ss coil for the default tank and I just need to get another one.
Could you recommend me some?

How you vape,mtl or dl and what is your preferred wattage?

I prefer dl. I am not sure about wattage but I'd like to keep the temperature as low as possible.

 

[greek mule]

There is no ss coil for the default tank and I just need to get another one.
Could you recommend me some?

Give me a moment..

 

[bombastinator]

Hi, I am new here and I need a piece of advice from experinced members.
I am looking for my first kit. I would like it to use in a temp control mode. I have read lots of articles about it and found out that I need a mod that supports it and a special coil. I liked a mod Geekvape aegis mini but I did not find any stainless steel coils for it. Do they exist? Should I choose a different mod or I need to look for the coils further?
Thanks.

You may have to buy the ageis mod and a seperate atty to do what you want. I don’t know what exact atty the ageis mini kit has. Considering current legal crud flying around I would suggest the solo over the mini. It has a replaceable battery so it has the potential to last longer.

 

[greek mule]

Freemax Mesh pro tank has one SS316L Single Mesh Coil:0.12ohm resistance Rated for 400-550°F

OFRF Nex mesh sub ohm tank also has a SS 316 L 0.15-ohm conical mesh coil rated best 350-550F (or 55-75 watts) blue O-rings.

One more vote for Aegis solo.

Vaporesso Skrr tank has one 0.5ohm QF CCELL SS316L coil rated for 50-75W.It is created with a combination of cotton and flax materials that provide a longer-lasting coil life, with pure flavor enhancement.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

I hate to be that guy, but get a spool of stainless steel wire, a 2.4mm screwdriver, and an RTA, and learn to make your own coils. If vaping ends up being banned, you'll not be able to get drop-in coils easily, but wire and cotton are readily available. I mean, it's less than a $20 investment (wire, cotton, mandrel... the tank will likely cost you a bit more), so for less than the retail cost of a pack of five coils, you can build many, many, many coils. If you're dead set on using premade coils, at least get a tank that offers an RBA. With a little bit of digging, I bet you could find an old Crown 1 or Crown 2. They both use SS stock coils, and offer an RBA (but the Crown 2 is a PITA). Kanger Subtank had - don't know of they still do - a stock SS coil, AND an RBA. I'm sure if I dug through my collection a bit, I could find others...

The Aegis Solo is a decent little mod. I, personally, prefer the Vandy Vape Jackaroo (using it right now). The 2x700 and 18650 battery compatibility gives the device a longer run time, greater compatibility, more (honest) power, and it's just as sturdy... maybe more so.

As mentioned before, the gold standard for TC are mods with the DNA board, but none of those - to my knowledge - are ruggedized the way the Aegis and Jackaroo are.

 

[vaper1960]

I haven't used TC yet (but it is very good option to have) Just want you to know that even with coils like nickel, stainless steel, titanium you don't have to use TC... they work in wattage mode too.

 

[Katya]

I haven't used TC yet (but it is very good option to have) Just want you to know that even with coils like nickel, stainless steel, titanium you don't have to use TC... they work in wattage mode too.

Nope, only ss coils can be used in both power and tc mode (lowish resistance, preferably not higher than 1Ω or so. Nickel and Titanium can only be used in TC.

 

[Hawise]

I haven't used TC yet (but it is very good option to have) Just want you to know that even with coils like nickel, stainless steel, titanium you don't have to use TC... they work in wattage mode too.

Nope, only ss coils can be used in both power and tc mode (lowish resistance, preferably not higher than 1Ω or so. Nickel and Titanium can only be used in TC.

To elaborate, nickel and titanium can technically be used in wattage mode, they just shouldn't be. Ever. Under any circumstances. As I understand it, they can both be very damaging to your health if overheated and very easy to overheat in wattage mode.

 

[Georgio]

Freemax Mesh pro tank has one SS316L Single Mesh Coil:0.12ohm resistance Rated for 400-550°F
OFRF Nex mesh sub ohm tank also has a SS 316 L 0.15-ohm conical mesh coil rated best 350-550F (or 55-75 watts) blue O-rings.

Both the coils have the similar resistance but the work temperature is different. Should I pay attention to the temperaure numbers or not?

 

[Katya]

Both the coils have the similar resistance but the work temperature is different. Should I pay attention to the temperaure numbers or not?

Hi Giorgio. I don't use those coils, I make my simple ss coils that I can use in both modes (power and TC), so can't be more specific, but you should always start at the lowest manufacturer-recommended temperature. Go up only if your vape is not satisfactory. I like to stay at or below 420-450° F--there is some evidence that higher temperatures may cause some eliquid ingredients to degrade and produce undesirable compounds like formaldehyde and acrolein and what not. Better safe than sorry.

Also, get familiar with your TC mod's interface and make sure you're in correct settings--ss for stainless steel, Ni for nickel, and so on.

 

[vaper1960]

I am so sorry (and glad you guys told me) So stainless steel is OK?

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I have not found dangers related to vaping Nickel outside of allergies. Many claims of Nickel poisoning but none go into detail as to what temperature that may begin to forum at. So if no claims, how do we know what safe temperatures to vape at? Lets keep in mind Ni80 is 80% Nickel – Ni90 is 90%.

Titanium can produce Titanium Dioxide which is said to be harmful if inhaled, but this does not begin to forum until 1200°F – well beyond typical vaping temperatures. And the reason why you should not dry burn (glow) a Ti coil.

Ni200 is low in resistance but has a high TCR value. Its resistance can be problematic for many devices. It’s high TCR value means in wattage mode, as resistance increases with heat, voltage also needs to scale in order to keep constant wattage. Again, this maybe problematic with many devices. Locking the resistance, should this be a function with your device, is not a solution for all you are doing is preventing the device from adjusting according to the rise in resistance. This may lead to inconsistent vapes.

Titanium is very similar.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Both the coils have the similar resistance but the work temperature is different. Should I pay attention to the temperaure numbers or not?

550°F is extremely high – TBH, I would not go beyond 480°F MAX, and even that is pretty hot. Resistance is somewhat irrelevant but does play a roll. Lower the resistance of the coil the less it must increase to reach your prescribed temperature using the same TCR value. Less rise in resistance means the device has a smaller window to work with. With more accurate devices, such as DNA’s this is not so much of a problem. But could be temperamental with devices that employ a lower resolution at reading resistance. The resolution of my Geekvape devices only reads down to a hundredth of an Ohm. DNA, down to ten thousandths of an Ohm.

The difference between 0.12 Ohms and 0.15 Ohms is not a lot, but taking into account device accuracy, it’s resolution and any other contributing factors it could be enough to affect the end result. Never used the Aegis Solo or Mini so no comment. That said, I have to shadow @Shawn Hoefer comments in you should look into rebuildables. More consistence, more control and much more cheaper.

 

[Houndstooth]

I can remember my initial pursuit here. An acquaintance suggested a simple mod, but my 'go big or go home' approach told me I needed TC. I bought the Pico75 w/ TC, but a veteran here made the suggestion TC was overrated. At least for some. Three years later I absolutely don't care about it and never really utilized it. Just wattage. And as it were I ended up drawn to mechanical squonkers, which couldn't be further from TC. .02

 

[Jebbn]

I can remember my initial pursuit here. An acquaintance suggested a simple mod, but my 'go big or go home' approach told me I needed TC. I bought the Pico75 w/ TC, but a veteran here made the suggestion TC was overrated. At least for some. Three years later I absolutely don't care about it and never really utilized it. Just wattage. And as it were I ended up drawn to mechanical squonkers, which couldn't be further from TC. .02

Im the opposite. I didnt want to bother with tc at all, but once I used it a few times I liked using it.
The funny thing is I vape DL at 11 to 14w using simple ss 28ga .75'ish coils, its already a cool vape without TC. When I use tc its set between 185c and 195c and the watts set for a quick ramp up. Its more to do with the draw and ramp up and keeping it cooler towards the end of a draw than anything.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

It's all about a person's vaping style. If you like short, hard draws, wattage is really all you need... a short ramp or a boost is nice, there. If you, like me, prefer a long steady draw, TC comes in real handy. Dumping 80 watts constant to a coil over the course of 4 seconds is a whole lot different than 80 watts for 2 seconds. It's amazing how much a difference 2 seconds can make. In addition, TC makes accidental bumps in wattage controllable. Imagine accidentally bumping your mod up to 220 watts on a 1 ohm MTL coil. Instant burnout. With TC, it might ramp high for a nanosecond, but will throttle back just as fast and save the coil and your lungs and mouth. Yes, I've had this happen (but not with a 1 ohm MTL coil). Of course bad TC is worse than wattage, but, thankfully, most mod manufacturers have the bugs worked out of TC at this point.

Honestly, I vape A LOT of TC, but I am in no way opposed to a straight wattage vape. My carry today is the Vandy Vape Jackaroo with the Vandy Vape Mesh 24 RTA using a strip of 80 mesh Kanthal A1 (0.16 ohms) at 55 watts. Two days ago, I had the Modefined Sirius with the Wotofo Bravo using a pair of SS316L fused claptons (2x26/36 3mm 5 wrap 0.12 ohms) at 80 watts and 410F. Before that, I was rocking a mech with an RDA. I'm all over the place. There is ONE thing consistent across all of my vapes, though... I build to suit my style. Build (or buy) to suit your style and don't let anyone tell you you're wrong... except me... I'm always right

 

[Hawise]

I'm another TC proponent. I prefer a long, cool vape, so with wattage mode it either takes too long to get up to temperature or it overheats quickly.

I think part of the issue is that TC on less expensive devices can be pretty finicky. A lot more people might appreciate it if they tried it on a DNA or Yihi device, but they're not willing to pay for one if they weren't satisfied with their experience on a cheaper mod. Then again, for those people who are perfectly happy with wattage mode there's not much point in paying for a higher-end chip.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Many benefits to TC. Chain vaping (how ever that is defined), if you are not allowing a coil to drop back to room temperature, you are gradually increasing the temperature with each additional pull. A functional TC can control that. Mitigating ramp up without higher temperatures is another benefit. Maintaining a constant temperature can also be beneficial to keeping a consistent flavour. And mitigating dry burns, especially on temperamental atomizers is another benefit. Cooler vape – not everyone enjoys warmer or hotter vaping.

TC does add a level of complexity which can be exploited even more with poorly implemented devices. I believe Evolv did a study and found only ~11% use Temp Control with their devices due to the complexities involved. And DNA’s have to be one of the easier devices to set up….assuming one understands how Temp Control works (which is another factor). One of the reasons behind Evolv’s “Replay” development. Replay is technically not temp control, for you are not setting a preferred temperature. But it functions in a similar fashion by reading the coils rise in resistance.