the most common side effect of pregnant women who smoke are babies with low birth weight. Sure it may cause increases in other areas but not that much. My mother has been in the nursing field dealing with babies for hundreds of years and she said the same thing that quitting is more stressful.
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The most common is not even close to the most severe...which would be death of the child. This risk of miscarriage is almost doubled when smoking.
For any pregnant women looking to be soothed that the risks are minor, I'd suggest talking to their doctor or checking out the infinite number of medical sites on the web.
I have found that it is important to go beyond the title of an article, and even beyond the abstract, both of which can often be misleading, depending on the bias of the researcher. I found the full text of the above linked article and found this sentence very interesting:
But the authors apparently were not satisfied with the results of a standard test for measuring the withdrawal syndrome. They looked further:
So they did see some effect--irritability and tremor--on newborns whose mothers were heavy smokers. But keep in mind that a score of less than 8 is below the cut-off for diagnosis of withdrawal syndrome.
I found two things rather interesting in their closing paragraph:
1. Whatever symptoms they saw lasted no more than 48 hours. So we are not talking about permanent damage, even for the babies of heavier smokers.
2. The authors admit that their study does not demonstrate the existence of a neonatal nicotine withdrawal syndrome, but hope that another study will be able to prove their hypothesis -- among "a group of highly exposed newborns."
A rapid glance at published studies shows minimal risk for NRT during pregnancy. One study actually shows that NRT groups have actually lower risks than non-smokers, which may be related to the fact that said NRT groups "comprise a group of healthier smokers more likely to follow preventive advice during pregnancy, and that "medical risk factors may have been less prevalent among NRT users than among non-users. ( Study Says Nicotine Replacement Safe in Pregnancy )
If using nicotine is to be considered a dumbass thing to do, what to say of more dangerous activities that pregnant woman may participate in: walking in city streets with all that pollution, driving, eating burgers ... let's just put all of them in padded white rooms for 9 months and be done with it already.
Our society is understandably interested in the well being of all, but it would be nice if that interest would not include crawling up people's ... for the smallest things, especially without any solid scientific ground to back the morality lessons.
"The road to Hell is paved of good intentions" could be the perfect motto our modern societies.
If using nicotine is to be considered a dumbass thing to do, what to say of more dangerous activities that pregnant woman may participate in: walking in city streets with all that pollution, driving, eating burgers ... let's just put all of them in padded white rooms for 9 months and be done with it already.
Our society is understandably interested in the well being of all, but it would be nice if that interest would not include crawling up people's ... for the smallest things, especially without any solid scientific ground to back the morality lessons.
"The road to Hell is paved of good intentions" could be the perfect motto our modern societies.
What is the source of this statistic?
Can you also provide the statistics on the increased risk of miscarriage if the mother is under severe stress?
Just have to throw this in. I actually did have a doctor tell me that, although I wasn't pregnant at the time. I was having so many auto-immune system issues that were aggravated by stress that he told me he would like me to quit, but at that time, the stress was doing more damage than the smoking. He said to try to quit under those circumstances would do more harm than good.
It might be the same with a pregnant woman depending on her circumstances. Too much stress might be more harmful than the smoking.
But..I'm no doc lol
This is not directed at the OP as I wasn't there but just on the subject in general,
I'm a product of the 60's as is my brother. My mother smoked like a chimney and drank like a fish. Also remember this was the 60's there wasn't just nicotine being smoked. My Mom ahd 7 sisters the majority of them smoked as well and had kids.
The majority of my freinds parents also smoked. When you were in a car the cigs were blazing, Windows up if it was winter. We all were healthy kids. I'm not saying it is a good thing, It is just the way it was back then.
I also remember sitting on my dads lap steering the car for a second at 70 miles an hour with no seat belts while he opened another beer when we were on a sunday drive.
None of us wore safety equipment on our bikes or when we were on a skateboard getting towed at 30-40 miles an hour. We didn't wear it during our bb gun fights either.
All of us survived to adulthood.
I think people nowadays worry to much. About themselves and other people. Life is hort no matter what you do so live it the best you can as you see fit, and let others do the same.
I'm a product of the 60's as is my brother. My mother smoked like a chimney and drank like a fish. Also remember this was the 60's there wasn't just nicotine being smoked. My Mom ahd 7 sisters the majority of them smoked as well and had kids.
The majority of my freinds parents also smoked. When you were in a car the cigs were blazing, Windows up if it was winter. We all were healthy kids. I'm not saying it is a good thing, It is just the way it was back then.
I also remember sitting on my dads lap steering the car for a second at 70 miles an hour with no seat belts while he opened another beer when we were on a sunday drive.
None of us wore safety equipment on our bikes or when we were on a skateboard getting towed at 30-40 miles an hour. We didn't wear it during our bb gun fights either.
All of us survived to adulthood.
I think people nowadays worry to much. About themselves and other people. Life is hort no matter what you do so live it the best you can as you see fit, and let others do the same.
As that was directed at me, I thought I'd reply: No, I haven't done that. Anyone who knows me knows that if they ask for my opinion, they will get just that.... and my friends value my opinion as a result, because they know they will always get an honest one.Haven't you ever talked to someone, then walked away shaking your head, thinking, 'wow, what a dumbass'. I know I have. (I hope you're not doing it right now.) I'm guessing you've even done a 'nooooo, that doesn't make your .... look big', while thinking 'not anymore than everything else'.
If they want someone to tell them what they want to hear, they just don't ask me LOL.
..but yes, I can say something 'unpleasant' without being rude. However, I just don't volunteer my opinion to strangers and then call them a dumbass when they've left.
This may be a dumb observation already covered elsewhere in the thread..
But did it occur to her that she could get 0 nic carts? If she likes the flavor, it's a win win. She gets everything she wants, as well as a healthy baby.
But did it occur to her that she could get 0 nic carts? If she likes the flavor, it's a win win. She gets everything she wants, as well as a healthy baby.
Really? You are asking me to cite my sources over the risks of smoking during pregnancy?
Hit google and go to ANY medical site that lists the the endless number of studies. Miscarriage, underweight, pre-term, asthma and numerous other respiratory diseases, placental abruption, etc.
It's pretty simple. If you choose to smoke while pregnant, barring orders from a doctor for other conditions, you risk the life and health of your child. There is no gray area here, you are choosing your addictive over the health of your child.
I may have spoken too soon on that one, Ctourtelot. Actually, my doctor did a similar thing a year or so ago.
I was having an annual ckup and I asked about Chantix (this was before I was aware of pvs) and at the time he knew I was in the midst of planning my daughters wedding, my mom was having some tests and several other stressful things going on and he told me 'lets talk about this next year'.
Good thing he did b/c 3 weeks before the wedding I wound up w/my mom and my daughter (the bride lol) in the hospital. Never would have made it through all that.
I was thinking of this in the context of concern of the baby and that it might have been different if I'd been pregnant. But either way, a doctor did say it, so I'll eat my words on that one.
I was thinking more in the context of explaining something to someone who just didn't quite get it. I have no problem speaking my mind, either, but in this context I would walk away thinking something along those lines.
nopenope, can't do that (the padding material in the walls could be too dangerous for 'em)
I still say send them frolicking to live and eat buck-naked in a garden (but light on the frolicking.. there haven't been enough studies on the safety of frolicking while pregnant)
Hey, here is a great idea for anyone that feels it's necessary to open their mouth when they see a pregnant woman smoking, vaping, drinking, running too fast, eating fast food, driving too fast, jaywalking or anything else that you deem unhealthy to a baby. SHUT THE f u c k UP or .....
Mind your own damn business, then you wont have time to mind everyone else's. Its a simple philosophy, but many people have the most difficult time grasping how it works. But trust me, its very easy to do. Just keep you trap shut. Besides, it will help keep the flies out of your mouth while you are spewing verbal s h i t at others.
Mind your own damn business, then you wont have time to mind everyone else's. Its a simple philosophy, but many people have the most difficult time grasping how it works. But trust me, its very easy to do. Just keep you trap shut. Besides, it will help keep the flies out of your mouth while you are spewing verbal s h i t at others.
Yes, Nuck, I am asking you to cite the source that claims the risk for miscarriage is doubled. I went to Pub Med and searched the medical and scientific journals and could not find a study that gave that figure. So I was wondering where you read it.
And if you had such specific miscarriage stats for smoking, I was hoping you had the numbers for stress, too, so we could compare the two.
This is heading in the direction of a "Right to Life" debate. No one can live anyone else's life for them. Empathy, sympathy and concern are wonderful traits, but when it comes down to it, no one else wants you telling them how to live.
Someone here stated the old adage of "live by example" (my words in short). This is noble, however, some people just don't care how you live. Their version of right may be the polar opposite of what you deem to be right.
Society changes over time, and seems to do so at an exponential level now with the abundance of information available on the "interwebs." The more you can read, the more knowledge you can collect... and the more opinions you can form.
I believe in something called the Rede: An' it harm none, do as thou wilt.
Good advice that's been around for a very very long time.
Someone here stated the old adage of "live by example" (my words in short). This is noble, however, some people just don't care how you live. Their version of right may be the polar opposite of what you deem to be right.
Society changes over time, and seems to do so at an exponential level now with the abundance of information available on the "interwebs." The more you can read, the more knowledge you can collect... and the more opinions you can form.
I believe in something called the Rede: An' it harm none, do as thou wilt.
Good advice that's been around for a very very long time.
LOL, this thread is still going?
Whoda thunk this would garner so much interest and debate.
I'm especially surprised at the debate part... people are really trying to say that it's ok to be vaping, or inhaling anything while pregnant. OMG
Please, don't stop on my account, this is very amusing.
Whoda thunk this would garner so much interest and debate.
I'm especially surprised at the debate part... people are really trying to say that it's ok to be vaping, or inhaling anything while pregnant. OMG
Please, don't stop on my account, this is very amusing.
Here are some other things we can recommend to expectant mothers as an alternative to inhaling tobacco...
American Journal of Epidemiology - Abstract: Volume 154(4) August 15, 2001 p 322-327 Exposure to Tobacco Smoke in Utero and the Risk of Stillbirth and Death in the First Year of Life.
Took 30 seconds to find 3 different sources. Here is the abstract of one:
The authors examined the association between exposure to tobacco smoke in utero and the risk of stillbirth and infant death in a cohort of 25,102 singleton children of pregnant women scheduled to deliver at Aarhus University Hospital, Aarhus, Denmark, from September 1989 to August 1996. Exposure to tobacco smoke in utero was associated with an increased risk of stillbirth (odds ratio = 2.0, 95% confidence interval: 1.4, 2.9), and infant mortality was almost doubled in children born to women who had smoked during pregnancy compared with children of nonsmokers (odds ratio = 1.8, 95% confidence interval: 1.3, 2.6). Among children of women who stopped smoking during the first trimester, stillbirth and infant mortality was comparable with that in children of women who had been nonsmokers from the beginning of pregnancy. Conclusions were not changed after adjustment in a logistic regression model for the sex of the child; parity; or maternal age, height, weight, marital status, years of education, occupational status, and alcohol and caffeine intake during pregnancy. Approximately 25% of all stillbirths and 20% of all infant deaths in a population with 30% pregnant smokers could be avoided if all pregnant smokers stopped smoking by the sixteenth week of gestation.
If you have arguments with all the available studies, I'm pretty sure the authors would appreciate your feedback.
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