Another Original Mech From China

[Ed_C]

I have no idea if it's good or not, but it's nice to see another non-clone mod from China. It's from hcigar in this case.
Helmsman 26650 Mod by Hcigar - 101 Vape
http://.........blogspot.com/2014/05/rollout-helmsman-26650-mechanical-by.html

 

[Chelonian]

hope they keep it up.

 

[havoc1967]

I really have no interest in 26650 at this point but I think it is fantastic that it's not a clone and it's affordable!!!

 

[SINphul]

Call me a pessimist, but it just looks like a bigger version of their crappy Nemesis clone. Same switch style and everything. Just rebranded for sailors or something.

 

[havoc1967]

I think there is really only so much you can do with tube style mech mods. It's basically a 510 connection on top, one of a small variety of switches on the bottom and then some sort of logo and/or name. I like some more than others though.

 

[Bad Ninja]

(Sarcasm ahead!! warning!! Slow people move along.)

But but but.....
With all the cost of R&D shouldn't it cost $200+?
I Mean that's what I see posted all over the net justifying high retail prices...



Seriously, nice mod, realistic price.
26650 so you can vape all day.
I'm a player.
Keep this up and legit modders will have to get their hearts right if they wanna survive.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

It definitely encouraging to see Chinese factories put out originals (though I have no problem with clones so long as they aren't being marketed as authentic and clearly stated that they are indeed copies). They clearly have the means to make MODs (yes, even good ones). It's just a matter of deciding to do it. I'm glad that Hcigar has decided to do it.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I think there is really only so much you can do with tube style mech mods. It's basically a 510 connection on top, one of a small variety of switches on the bottom and then some sort of logo and/or name. I like some more than others though.

That goes for boxes too.

There are only so many ways to make a MOD that people will want to use.

 

[Chelonian]

(Sarcasm ahead!! warning!! Slow people move along.)

But but but.....
With all the cost of R&D shouldn't it cost $200+?
I Mean that's what I see posted all over the net justifying high retail prices...



Seriously, nice mod, realistic price.
26650 so you can vape all day.
I'm a player.
Keep this up and legit modders will have to get their hearts right if they wanna survive.

It justifies prices for mod makers in the west with higher costs.

You know, your logic could very well be applied to whatever job you have...whatever your career, I bet the Chinese could do it just as well and waaaaaay cheaper.

Come on, you know this. You just have a weird chip on your shoulder about high end mods.

Just don't buy them if you don't like it....why run around a bunch of threads whining?

Also, it's sound economics that a seller should charge what the market can bear. If you were making a mod, would you sell it for $50 when people would buy it for $200? I think not.

I also like this trend...hope it continues

 

[Kahuna Cowboy]

Very nice. $35 bucks for a 26650 stainless HCigar mod with magnetic switch, copper contacts, and adjustable connection is not too shabby. Plus I like the theme of the mod overall. Ahoy mateys.

 

[Kahuna Cowboy]

If you were making a mod, would you sell it for $50 when people would buy it for $200? I think not.

Yes, in fact I would. If I could sell 20,000 units at $50 I would take that over 1000 units at $200. That is, how you say, simple economics. $1,000,000 > $200,000

The biggest joke of all, these guys (not companies, just a couple of guys usually) get together in a kick starter effort with a small investment to create a battery tube, approach manufactures at China or the Philippines to have it produced, gladly take your money to minimize their investment and help fund the project, and somehow make this whole experience seem luxurious and fashionable.

Ain't America grand?

 

[Vermiform]

Nothing against clones here, but...

Wouldn't it be justice if another Chinese company came and did a knockoff of this mod for $20?

 

[Ed_C]

Yes, in fact I would. If I could sell 20,000 units at $50 I would take that over 1000 units at $200. That is, how you say, simple economics. $1,000,000 > $200,000

The biggest joke of all, these guys (not companies, just a couple of guys usually) get together in a kick starter effort with a small investment to create a battery tube, approach manufactures at China or the Philippines to have it produced, gladly take your money to minimize their investment and help fund the project, and somehow make this whole experience seem luxurious and fashionable.

Ain't America grand?

So do you know if mods such as the Magneto and L100/101 sell in the area of 20K units?

Once again, other than one example I'm not sure if any of the high-end mods are manufactured in China.

As for the Philippines, their GDP per capita is $2,587, (US is $51,749) so it does make you wonder.

 

[Chelonian]

Kahuna

What's the bigger chance?

Put out the investment needed to manufacture that many units, and hope they sell. If you only sell half, you are looking at huge losses.

OR

You could manufacture in house, with outlays in line with what you can afford, in such a way that if it fails you aren't on the hook to outside suppliers for units that you can't sell.

I know what I would do if it were I taking the risks. I wouldn't run at pie in the sky numbers with outside obligations.

 

[Kahuna Cowboy]

Kahuna

What's the bigger chance?

Put out the investment needed to manufacture that many units, and hope they sell. If you only sell half, you are looking at huge losses.

OR

You could manufacture in house, with outlays in line with what you can afford, in such a way that if it fails you aren't on the hook to outside suppliers for units that you can't sell.

I know what I would do if it were I taking the risks. I wouldn't run at pie in the sky numbers with outside obligations.

That's exactly my point. We are not dealing with Gucci, Apple, Rolex, BMW, Mercedes, or any other high end brand that is chic and fashionable. We are dealing with a couple of guys who get together, pool a small investment and make selling a metal tube to you like it's an honor and luxurious. The hype around these things is unreal.

I swear, I am going to go to a local machine shop, hand them a mod and some specs to be produced for a few bucks per unit, start a wait list and hype how the next big thing is on the horizon, put a money bag on it and call it the "Sucker is Born Every Minute". When it sells out of it's "Limited Edition" run I'm going to buy myself a house. Heck, American made and I'll even have it produced in ultra snazzy and rare "copper". hahaha

 

[crxess]

Call me a pessimist, but it just looks like a bigger version of their crappy Nemesis clone. Same switch style and everything. Just rebranded for sailors or something.

You don't like china mods thats fine.
I have 6 nemesis clones and Not one is crappy. Every one has earned it own Kayfun clone and they all kick ....

But please at least look and know what your talking about.
The switch is clearly a variation of the Stingray, NOT the Nemesis.

 

[SINphul]

You don't like china mods thats fine.
I have 6 nemesis clones and Not one is crappy. Every one has earned it own Kayfun clone and they all kick ....

But please at least look and know what your talking about.
The switch is clearly a variation of the Stingray, NOT the Nemesis.

Never owned a Stingray, so I wouldn't have a point of reference. To my eyes, it looked like a slightly modded Nemesis switch.

I have however owned an Hcigar Nemesis. So from that experience, in my opinion, their quality is not something I appreciated. Just a personal opinion from my experience with their mods. Not trying to be elitist, so you can put down the pitch fork and torches

 

[icemanistheking]

Yes, in fact I would. If I could sell 20,000 units at $50 I would take that over 1000 units at $200. That is, how you say, simple economics. $1,000,000 > $200,000

The biggest joke of all, these guys (not companies, just a couple of guys usually) get together in a kick starter effort with a small investment to create a battery tube, approach manufactures at China or the Philippines to have it produced, gladly take your money to minimize their investment and help fund the project, and somehow make this whole experience seem luxurious and fashionable.

Ain't America grand?

Blah blah blah

That's all I hear. Proof? I've heard it from a Filipino person that this occasionally happens with Pinoy mods. With the rising US mod scene and European and Korean scenes (think these guys sell their schematics to China? ) already well established, Pinoy mods aren't exactly taking center stage anymore anyway.

And "proof" is not that you heard it from Bad Ninja

 

[blueGrassTubb]

That's exactly my point. We are not dealing with Gucci, Apple, Rolex, BMW, Mercedes, or any other high end brand that is chic and fashionable. We are dealing with a couple of guys who get together, pool a small investment and make selling a metal tube to you like it's an honor and luxurious. The hype around these things is unreal.

I swear, I am going to go to a local machine shop, hand them a mod and some specs to be produced for a few bucks per unit, start a wait list and hype how the next big thing is on the horizon, put a money bag on it and call it the "Sucker is Born Every Minute". When it sells out of it's "Limited Edition" run I'm going to buy myself a house. Heck, American made and I'll even have it produced in ultra snazzy and rare "copper". hahaha

Someone apparently doesn't understand the economics of high quality machining.

 

[dogmanactual]

i find it pretty comical that this has turned into an economics debate over a cheap mod. why not just buy it and use it if it works, toss it if it doesn't? the way i imagine it is this: i used to spend ~$40+ a week on smokes, why not risk the $30 or so on a mod from a new company.

i do have to say i am not a fan of the 26650 batteries though, they are way bulky.