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. I've always wondered about these Went to aromaejuice and ordered some tobacco road. There are no UK WTA suppliers so not really a sustainable solution for me unfortunately.
I thought it would be a good idea to try and get everything in one place. Still not enough independent evidence. There is quite a variation in toxin numbers - anything from 90% less to 50% less depending on source. It looks as though iQOS may use low TSNA tobacco if their numbers are anything to go by. I prefer the sound of my real tobacco to their reconstituted sheets though. I should get to try one soon for comparison.
One thing I will say is I no longer wake up wanting a cigarette specifically, I'm starting to associate my fix with the vape now - this is a big change for me and never happened with e-cigs. I really do think vaporizing loose leaf (or even more commercial heat-not-burn) is a viable approach for heavy, long term smokers. I'm definitely sticking with it for now.
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Thought I'd also update on flavour. I had a cigarette a few days ago out of curiosity and it was pretty disgusting. Tasted like petroleum. Vaped, unflavoured tobacco doesn't taste like when it's smoked, but is not unpleasant. I guess it tastes like how it smells in the packet in a way. I now officially prefer the taste of vaped to smoked. And I no longer stink.
So vaporizing actual tobacco and vaporizing NET liquid is a similar experience, I had a feeling it would be.
I can't be sure about comparison with NET liquid as I've not tried one yet but it's not a smoked taste, so if that's what NET is like it may be similar. When I test NET, I'll let you know. I do doubt that NET will satisfy in the same way without the additional tobacco alkaloids/salts.
I'm using bright virginia tobacco which has a lighter flavour anyway. I'm sure pipe or burley tobacco would have a stronger flavour.
Vaping a NET tastes like fresh tobacco smells, I was going by my personal experience and what you say vaporizing tobacco leaf tastes like.
Please to see for yourself rules and regulations in regards to FDA definition of the word organic.
You will be highly disapointed to see that organic /= safe... or... organic.
And these are the guidelines that dictate what can and can't be labeled organic.
Tapatyped
Here's my stance...
Additives.
Most Tobacco is GMO now.
Pesticides/Herbicides
There is a big difference between, pure pharmaceutical grade nicotine we use and that which would be vaporized in tobacco form.. although it is probably better for you than smoking I'll stick to my vaping.
Additives.
Most Tobacco is GMO now.
Pesticides/Herbicides
There is a big difference between, pure pharmaceutical grade nicotine we use and that which would be vaporized in tobacco form.. although it is probably better for you than smoking I'll stick to my vaping.
Or you could buy tobacco which is not labelled 'organic' as such but clearly specifies that no pesticides were used. The brand I buy sells exactly this (though I use a different one!).
BTW, I'm not here to promote tobacco! I'm certainly not suggesting that successful vapers should instead move to tobacco vaporizing but it is clearly a way to get an authentic hit without smoking. I think the fact ejuice is pure nicotine with just PG/VG and flavour is desirable from a health perspective but probably the main reason many smokers cannot give up with e-cigs.
There's rightly a lot of passion about how great e-cigs are. But more than half of UK e-cig users still smoke.
http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_891.pdf
So it's worth exploring how we help those (myself included) out of the smoking trap completely. It's a long road ahead - there's a billion smokers out there and it's not just regulation holding e-cigs back. I think addiction to smoking is more complex than nicotine. I'm looking forward to the WTA liquid arriving!
E-cigs are a harm reduction tool not a cessation tool, big difference, if someone uses an ecig and smokes 1 less smoke a day it's still doing its job...
You have to want to quit to quit. Ecigs can help cut down or quit, they helped me quit, one day I was a smoker, next day I was a vaper and that is that...
Big tobacco will never never get another dime from me... Screw Qos and anything else they release even if its a vape...
So are you saying someone who smoked 30 a day and cuts to 15 + e-cigs is better off than someone who ceases smoking altogether through tobacco vaporization? I'm really not so sure about that. But don't have the answer yet. That's what this thread was started to explore: is there a better path to cessation?
The e-cig may well have evolved to become a harm reduction tool rather than cessation tool but is it possible that's because it was not as successful as a cessation tool? I seriously doubt the original inventor, inspired by the lung cancer of his father, would have deemed them a success if users were only managing to replace one cigarette per day with e-cigs.
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I think you are doing better by vaporizing tobacco, even if only a mild reduction in harm.
Any harm reduction is much better than none.
Definitely try to move into vaping some WTAs and/or NETs for further harm reduction.
Any harm reduction is much better than none.
Definitely try to move into vaping some WTAs and/or NETs for further harm reduction.
I'm really looking forward to WTA but as it's not available in UK, it doesn't really help us over here long term. 
I'm particularly interested in whether e-cigs need to move to a kind of phase 2, where we examine exactly what kind of liquid best helps cessation and make it available, properly regulated if need be (I assume WTA falls under different rules here in Europe so it may be something that affects us here more than over the pond).
It seems things have stalled slightly on the liquid front, with the industry (yes, it's also an industry with vested interests) moving up the vape wattage ladder instead of developing a rational approach to further harm reduction. I tried a sub-ohm recently and the amount of vapour goes way beyond any kind of realistic simulation of smoking so I don't really see the value in it. My mini pro tank provides plenty of vapour with no customisation or additional settings required. It's not the amount of vapour, but its contents that I think are more important. The fact that many users are chasing more vapour makes me think there's something missing here...
I'm particularly interested in whether e-cigs need to move to a kind of phase 2, where we examine exactly what kind of liquid best helps cessation and make it available, properly regulated if need be (I assume WTA falls under different rules here in Europe so it may be something that affects us here more than over the pond).
It seems things have stalled slightly on the liquid front, with the industry (yes, it's also an industry with vested interests) moving up the vape wattage ladder instead of developing a rational approach to further harm reduction. I tried a sub-ohm recently and the amount of vapour goes way beyond any kind of realistic simulation of smoking so I don't really see the value in it. My mini pro tank provides plenty of vapour with no customisation or additional settings required. It's not the amount of vapour, but its contents that I think are more important. The fact that many users are chasing more vapour makes me think there's something missing here...
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Are you ome sort of marketing bag? Big tobacco will get none of my money.. NONE... This forum is for e-cigarettes.
For 22 years Big tobacco was killing me I don't care what kind of gimmick they come up with, I don't even care if it's a vape and it's better than mine for cheaper, they can go eat a bucket of sand...
They're Murders and are going to murder 1 billion people by the end of this century..
For 22 years Big tobacco was killing me I don't care what kind of gimmick they come up with, I don't even care if it's a vape and it's better than mine for cheaper, they can go eat a bucket of sand...
They're Murders and are going to murder 1 billion people by the end of this century..
Interesting thank you for sharing your findings. I still struggle after all these years I think the first vape I picked up was in about 2008 which was a cartomizer and have always had a ecig with me since. I was a dual user for years, smoking while at work and vaping at home until 2013 when I was able to vape 95% of the time. Well that 5% is what I cannot seem to get rid of. It has gotten a little better in the last 6mo as I have been purchasing some NET flavorings for my DYI liquid. There are those times where nothing will do besides lighting up a cigar or having a few puffs from a friends cigarette though. Maybe vaporizing natural tobaccos is something I should try. It sounds appealing and I will start researching on what I need to get started.
Let's keep this rational. If you read the whole thread, I'm actually pretty excited that I've finally found a way to give up smoking. I started the thread to try and help others who may have had trouble kicking the smoking habit like I did.
I'm using loose leaf tobacco blended by an independent UK company in a vaporizer produced by a German company with no links to the tobacco industry. I've been smoking since the age of 11 so expect to die of lung cancer/stroke/heart attack within the next 20 years. I'm no fan of big tobacco - I watched in horror as they lied through their teeth in court. But facts are facts. More smokers here use e-cigs AND smoke than ex-smokers that use e-cigs alone. The psychoactive effect of vaporizing tobacco, in my opinion, is strong enough to mean it may be possible for more people to quit fully. The suggestion is not for you, Asylimsix - you've been an ex-smoker for 451 days and 7 hours. As I've already written, it's for those who can't quit fully using e-cigs. Maybe it could be used to supplement e-cigs, replacing the smoked ones when the tobacco hit is needed - like rhelton's 5%.
Clearly there's not enough evidence about tobacco vaporizing yet - my links to Big Tobacco research is simply because they're the only people looking into this stuff. I'd love there to be more independent tests and soon as I, or anyone else sees stuff, it can be posted here, at the world's leading e-cig forum - always at the top of google's search results.
I fully expect this heat-not-burn concept to feed into to the e-cig industry - my hope is the development of more effective ejuice for us all.
All I use is a vaporizer with adjustable temp which comes with a metal liquid pad (I vape between 155 and 165 degrees C at the moment but have been up to 170). I load the vape half way with quality rolling tobacco, spread a drop of pure glycerol on the liquid pad and pop it liquid side down on the tobacco. That's it. All I have to replace regularly is the thin gauze and make sure I clean with water every day to get rid of condensed glycerol. Full clean with alcohol every week. Glycerol (i.e. VG) and Isopropyl alcohol are cheap. (And don't expect anywhere near the battery life of an e-cig).
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