Vaping / Smoking Perspective

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Tanti

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I took it a little personally because I just posted that I still smoke 2 a day. my good reason: cause I'm old and I want to :rolleyes: of course, the ONLY reason I started vaping was to save money.
but I allow that you have the right to state your opinion !

I dont even believe I read your post even till after I wrote mine, so no I wasnt directing it at you or anyone else. I was stating there are reason for doing what we do when it comes to smoking a few or not smoking at all. Reason people dont really understand or get.
And thanks for allowing me my right to state my opinion.
 

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Ok this is dump on Tanti day for having my own opinion in the matter. If you want to all keep smoking while vaping be happy doing it, I dont really care. Personally I dont believe there is a good reason to keep smoking when vaping. But my whole goal was not to ever smoke again. I dont find anything good or pleasent about smoking. I know how much better I feel since not smoking and clearty of mind not having that nag on me to smoke. I dont get that same nagging feeling from vaping.
 

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I have no desire to smoke at all, and I think it's absolutely disgusting now. That being said, I will never hold it against somebody to vape and smoke, or somebody that smokes 3 packs a day. That's up to them, I would never tell anybody what they can or can't do to their own body, we should all be free to choose.
 

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I think that this is also an issue that depends on the person. Some people can smoke an occasional cigarette while still being addicted to nicotine from vaping, and not go back to smoking full-time. I'm one of them, I can take it or leave it, so I'm not risking becoming a full-time smoker by having a cigarette. Some people can't have one without risking going back to it, so it's best they stay away from that first cigarette.

Like dieting, some people can eat really healthy most of the time, but still indulge in that occasional piece of cake. Others will look at that piece of cake as if they ruined their diet and just quit eating healthy.

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I understand why people stay on smoking with vaping, they are letting the analog control them.

This is not how it is for me, and with experience of moderation, comes great control. When I say I could stop (smoking) at any time, I mean this. I realize for many smokers, this is not the case. I have experience of going cold turkey. Before picking up vaping, that choice was readily available to me. Still is.

Prior to vaping, being a 'social smoker' or one who uses it moderately didn't make sense to me. Wasn't part of my experience. I knew of at least one close friend who was able to do this (and hasn't taken up vaping). I always wondered how he could go sometimes a full week without a smoke, and then have say 5 in a night and not give into the subsequent cravings. I'm sure us (ex)smokers all know a person like this.

With vaping, as I said in OP, it makes for moderate smoking very easy. In fact, if I were to go to say a pack a day and still vape nearly as much as I do now, I'd probably get to a point pretty quickly where I loathe smoking, despise the taste (compared to vaping) and likely deal with noticeable changes to my health (persistent cough being near the top). With moderate smoking, I honestly notice no changes in health.

I do not wrestle with a desire for smoking. I believe giving myself full permission helps greatly. From my times of going cold turkey, I know the mindset of 'denying myself' any / all desire to smoke. I'd watch a movie where a character would light up, and even after not smoking for 2 years, just that experience, would induce a craving. Then the self talk that amounted to 'I shall deny this" seemed to feed the craving even more. But as most who have done the cessation thing probably realize, if you can wait out that craving for around 10 minutes, you'll see it dissipate. Go away. With thoughts of, 'really, I wanted a smoke? Why?'

Smoking in moderation is a different animal, different experience.
I compare it to being a social drinker. I was never a big time drinker who sought it daily, but was in my early days a binge type drinker that kinda sorta couldn't wait for the next party event, looking for that buzz. Social drinking didn't make sense to me then. Why have only one or two drinks with alcohol if you could just as well have non alcoholic beverage and still be social? Now, I am a social drinker. Now, I get that. I can take it or leave it, and more often than not in social gatherings where most are drinking, I don't. Though I give myself full permission to drink.

I honestly wish more vapers were moderate smokers. Not ex-smokers wrestling with an addiction that previously led to horrible experiences and very noticeable changes to their health. But, I really do recognize both from my experience and observation of many others, that smoking can lead to cravings beyond simple moderation. So, is probably a no-go for a great many vapers, now ex-smokers. I do get that, though do still wish moderate smoking was more prevalent in the community. I think the political fight would be easier to wage, with likely a vastly different approach.

But this will likely remain my unfulfilled wish, and am very glad for the perspectives shared in this thread. Even if I may not agree with some of what's being said.

Added before submitting: wrote all ^this^ up before reading beyond page 1, and see, on p.2 and p.3, at least some of what I'm saying already being said. Do wish to say Tanti that I value your perspective and glad you shared what you were compelled to post.
 

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Ok this is dump on Tanti day for having my own opinion in the matter. If you want to all keep smoking while vaping be happy doing it, I dont really care. Personally I dont believe there is a good reason to keep smoking when vaping. But my whole goal was not to ever smoke again. I dont find anything good or pleasent about smoking. I know how much better I feel since not smoking and clearty of mind not having that nag on me to smoke. I dont get that same nagging feeling from vaping.

I don't think people are dumping on you, just disagreeing. I would have no disagreement with saying "I have no good reason to ever smoke" but to say that nobody has a good reason isn't fair. If smoking wasn't pleasent for you, of course you have no reason to. I found it very pleasent, and sometimes still do.

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To add to what Jman wrote, for me personally I think giving myself permission to smoke has helped me become a successful vaper for over 2 years. I'm not denying myself anything. I never felt like I was missing out on something. The only consequence of allowing myself that, is occasionally I indulge. The natural progression of vaping, since I enjoy it so much, means my desire to indulge becomes more and more rare. I'll probably start going years without a cigarette, and not even think twice about it.

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E-cigs are an alternative to traditional cigs. I dont smoke anymore because E-cigs work that well. I am glad both me and my mom are off cigs, my mom especially. I dont want anyone to hurt themselves smoking, but I get it, I was a smoker. If one decides to light up who am I to say they cant. I truely hope they can keep it under control. My granfather SUFFERED for three years with lung cancer. I remember my aunt giving him morphine shots several times a day to take the pain away. I dont want to see anyone go through that. For my own selfish reasons I am more concerned about those who are close to me not smoking. Though I will not interfere with anyone elses personal choices. I will advocate harm reduction products and educate people about the use of e-cigs. Then they can make their own decision.
 

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I haven't smoked since I started vaping, except once I took a couple drags to see if I still enjoyed it. I didn't. At all. That said, I can't criticize anyone for still smoking. I smoked (and chewed) for years and wasn't able to quit. I am lucky that this worked so well for me, but we all have a different perspective, and to assume what works for me should work for you is silly. I won't condemn anyone for still smoking, but I think if you are still smoking regularly, you are still at an increased risk for a lot of health problems. I think smoking regularly is bad, but not because of some moral judgment about people who smoke.
 

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I'm a vaper, and I'm a smoker. On ECF, I've stated a few times that I am one who gives myself full permission to smoke. At times, I prefer a smoke over vaping, partially due to taste, partially due to nicotine intake, and mostly due to nicotine addiction.

I was in your boat for at least a full year. I started vaping to quit, and rather than quit right away, I definitely started smoking less. The issue with me was missing the smoking experience, something that was hard to give up.

I used to love smoking, and I even think about smoking sometimes. I don't hate people that smoke, I even consider myself a smoker who hasn't smoked in a really long time.

One thing that you really want to consider, and I can say this from being in your position, is once you go a while not smoking but vaping consistently, its very hard to go back after not having a smoke for a few months.

I smoke cigars sometimes and even go to hookah bars with my friends once in a while. Tobacco is not the devil (look at my profile pic if u dont believe me!) and I don't judge people for smoking. But having been there and being a vaper now, I can tell you that if you choose to make the switch you won't be disappointed.
 

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I used to love my cigs- or rather, I loved the RITUAL of smoking one. I hated the taste and the smell, but the whole ritual involved with smoking was my big turn-on. Now, I can fulfill my "ritual fix" without making myself smell like an ashtray. In fact, the smell of a smoker nearly gags me now.

I will NEVER attack someone who smokes, though, as I feel if they're adults they should be left alone to do whatever the hell they want...without busybodies or the Nanny State interfering. That's how I feel about vaping, and certain medicines, and how I felt about smoking, too. I will, however, encourage them to give e-cigs an honest try (if they haven't), by linking to the ECF or letting them try out my rig. :)
 

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Ok this is dump on Tanti day for having my own opinion in the matter. If you want to all keep smoking while vaping be happy doing it, I dont really care. Personally I dont believe there is a good reason to keep smoking when vaping. But my whole goal was not to ever smoke again. I dont find anything good or pleasent about smoking. I know how much better I feel since not smoking and clearty of mind not having that nag on me to smoke. I dont get that same nagging feeling from vaping.

I don't think anyone is "dumping" on you. we are just stating our opinions, just as you have. I'm sure there are those who agree with you too
 

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I loved smoking, and yes, I still have a cigarette now and then.
They started tasting bad after I started vaping, but I am able to overlook that.

Since I started vaping nearly four years ago I have probably had about 20 cigarettes.
They no longer have any power over me though, not like they used to.

I definitely still miss the smoking experience.

In fact, that is the entire reason I absolutely love the NJoy Kings.
If they would reduce the price, and nicotine strength, I would use nothing but NJoy Kings.
 

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I loved smoking, and yes, I still have a cigarette now and then.
They started tasting bad after I started vaping, but I am able to overlook that.

Since I started vaping nearly four years ago I have probably had about 20 cigarettes.
They no longer have any power over me though, not like they used to.

I definitely still miss the smoking experience.

In fact, that is the entire reason I absolutely love the NJoy Kings.
If they would reduce the price, and nicotine strength, I would use nothing but NJoy Kings.
DC what about their other offerings? Not as good??
 

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Not sure what more there is to say, but I'll try.

Taste of smoking - can't be matched in vaping. Don't we still see newbie vapers searching for that? Don't we provide 2 responses to that? One being - if you like tobacco flavor, try these tobacco vapes, they do a decent job of coming close. Or second being - it is simply not possible for a vapor to exactly match what that smoke flavor was for you, as there is no combustion occurring with tobacco. And then an add on note of - but there's thousands of flavors to enjoy with vaping. Explore them and have fun finding the umpteen vape flavors you are likely to really dig.

As one who's gone cold turkey, then went back, I get what it's like to come back and really be disgusted by the flavor of smoking, even while you kinda sorta want to smoke in that moment. I also know what it's like to be a full time vaper, and wait just a couple days to have a smoke and then when having one being like, 'holy crap! Compared to my rootbeer vape, this is just nasty.' And, I also know what its like to smoke in moderation, have desire for a smoke, have a smoke, and enjoy it for the taste, as that taste is not one I will find in a vape. Since being a moderate smoker, logs don't always taste great to me, sometimes they do taste great. Since being a full time vaper, vaping doesn't always taste good to me. Most of the time, it does.

Ultimately, for me this is about not regretting my enjoyment with smoking. Going cold turkey, I experienced moments of regret, but felt that was me trying to sabotage my experience of the past. Speaking intellectually, I'd say going cold turkey trumps going to vaping if there is desire to smoke less or not at all. But as vaping allows for a wonderful transition, it is nice.

Being able to smoke moderately and enjoy vaping is like having your cake and eating it too. Best of both worlds.
Though vast majority of vapers appear to strongly disagree with that assertion.
Each to his/her own.
 
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