Vaping destroying my stamina?

[Hitmetwice]

We can all form different opinions on addiction, dependence, automatic responses etc.

Anything we do again and again in response to a stressor or any given situation, if it helps?
It is habit forming. Addiction and dependence aside, it helps us cope.

I may have a habit of chewing my nails or picking my nose(no I don't).
One is triggered by stress likely, the other by not having the proper tool for the job.

In the end though they are automatic responses that have a soothing effect for us.

Not addictions not dependencies just automatic responses or habits.

I'm no rocket scientist obviously, but anything we do repeatedly over time is a habit.

My fingers will bleed or my head may have to cave in before I stop.
If I continue to do harm to myself it is still just a habit, simple as that, nothing else.

IMHO. Cheers

 

[WattWick]

It's sort of odd to note how us ex-smoking vapers turn ANTZ rhetorics into our own - and use it against nonsmoking vapers.

"The addiction is just in your head. Just quit! vaping is stupid and will ruin your health (stamina in this case). Etc..."

Not aimed at anyone really. The thought just occurred to me.

 

[choochoogranny]

Part of my smoking habit was when I sat down at the kitchen table, I would immediately pullover the ashtray with cigarette pouch on top before getting started researching on the laptop. Took me a good week to Not to stare at my vape setup and wonder what happened!.....Oh yeah!

Another thing it took me a while to get over was the handful of lint, crumbs, just bits and pieces of "stuff" fallen on the floor needed to go directly into the trashcan rather than the ashtray I'd put away.......Felt so dumb standing in the middle of the room looking for that ashtray!

Yep, habits can be strange things alright!

 

[DC2]

You'll have to google the actual studies, but I can steer you in the right direction:
Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University
Tobacco more addictive than Nicotine
The myth of nicotine addiction - Formindep
Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com
Cigarettes' Power May Not Be In Nicotine Itself, New Study Suggests -- ScienceDaily

Here is some additional information that I have been gathering...
Nicotine by itself maybe not so addictive after all?

Search: nicotine addictive

 

[stevegmu]

We can all form different opinions on addiction, dependence, automatic responses etc.

Anything we do again and again in response to a stressor or any given situation, if it helps?
It is habit forming. Addiction and dependence aside, it helps us cope.

I may have a habit of chewing my nails or picking my nose(no I don't).
One is triggered by stress likely, the other by not having the proper tool for the job.

In the end though they are automatic responses that have a soothing effect for us.

Not addictions not dependencies just automatic responses or habits.

I'm no rocket scientist obviously, but anything we do repeatedly over time is a habit.

My fingers will bleed or my head may have to cave in before I stop.
If I continue to do harm to myself it is still just a habit, simple as that, nothing else.

IMHO. Cheers

Vapers who vape all day, who can't go 10 minutes without a vape and vape in inappropriate places are doing so out of habit? I've read posts where some can't even sleep without getting up to take a vape. All habit? What about vapers who can't lower their nic levels? Are they addicted to vaping or nicotine? Perhaps nicotine in and of itself isn't addictive, but vaping it is...

 

[wheelie]

Seeing all the deleted threads I can only imagine they were ...... jokes. That was my first though when I seen this thread. So no jokes from me today. LOL

 

[StormFinch]

Vapers who vape all day, who can't go 10 minutes without a vape and vape in inappropriate places are doing so out of habit? I've read posts where some can't even sleep without getting up to take a vape. All habit? What about vapers who can't lower their nic levels? Are they addicted to vaping or nicotine? Perhaps nicotine in and of itself isn't addictive, but vaping it is...

It may be the act, or it could be the nicotine in certain cases. Whether it be for psychological or chemical reasons certain people are more prone to addiction. Take coffee and other caffeine laden drinks for example. Caffeine is actually more akin to nicotine outside the tobacco plant than most people realize. They're both plant based psychoactive drugs with similar effects, and taken out of the plant and away from the other chemicals that help make it more addictive, nicotine may well have approximately the same level of addictiveness. With caffeine, some people can get along just fine if they miss their morning cup, some get the jitters, and some get just downright mean and nasty. There are also differing levels of intake depending on the person; anywhere from a couple of cups/drinks a day to those that constantly have one in their hand. I knew one guy that not only programmed his coffee pot to start brewing before he got up, but put a thermos of the stuff on his bedside table every night in case he woke up early.

 

[stevegmu]

I'm addicted to caffeine and nicotine. Maybe not so much caffeine pills or nicotine pills. I like the taste of coffees and e-liquid, and what both caffeine and nicotine do for me. I wouldn't vape 0nic. I went from 2.4 to 1.8 to 1.2 and back to 1.8%. 1.2% wasn't satisfying.

The whole nicotine is addictive is a myth is a myth, because here we use nicotine through the act of vaping, which I believe is as addictive as smoking cigarettes, to many, if not more...

 

[WattWick]

I never managed to get addicted to caffeine. Love my coffee, tho.

Was down to 1.2% nic myself. Didnt make any sense to me as I got all kinds of cravings - vaped a ton more and was never really satisfied. I'll stick to my ~1,8% liquids. Nic isn't enough. I need the 'feeling' of being nicced up too. Need... or want... I guess we could argue that all day

 

[DC2]

I'm currently addicted to McDonald's Sausage McMuffin with hashbrowns.

I know I'm not supposed to eat them because that is part of what is standing in the way of me losing weight.
And my wife would gladly make me a healthy breakfast.

But I wake up before she does and I get in my car and drive over to McDonald's nearly every morning these days.
I just can't help myself.

The night before my wife tells me what she would make for breakfast the next morning if I will wake her up.
I tell her that sounds good and that I'm looking forward to it.

And then it's off to McDonald's again.

She actually asked me a few days ago why I keep on going to McDonald's.
And I actually told her that I'm addicted to the Sausage McMuffins and hasbrowns.

You guys may think I'm kidding but I'm not.
This is actually happening.


JUST SAY NO TO THE McMUFFIN!!

 

[choochoogranny]

Oh D.C. my hubby has done me in with his own style egg McMuffin. When making breakfast, he'll fry up the whole lb. of bacon so there'll be plenty of leftovers. Next day he will lightly toast a couple of English muffins, butter, put a fried egg on, salt & pepper, then a couple pieces of that leftover bacon slightly warmed in the micro...... I CANNOT say no and actually prefer it over a full blown breakfast! ........As long as I don't eat again until dinner, I think I'm okay.

 

[TaketheRedPill]

well, if you're going to vape menthol and you're a never-smoker, we should look at the flavoring, menthol:

Menthol is an tissue irritant. We rub a mentholated cream on our sore muscles to intentionally cause local inflammation. Same, same vaping menthol - it can be irritating to some people. Long-time menthol smokers' bodies compensate for this. (the body is an amazing machine!) Menthol can cause other side effects, including allergies. Allergies can build over time. If you think you are experiencing side effects, stop immediately and contact your health care provider.

Second, nicotine and menthol really aren't good marriage partners - well, not for a new smoker. I smoked "low tar and nicotine" menthol brands (air cigarettes) for over 35 years. Marlboro reds just didn't ring my bell like a good menthol and I'd actually not smoke if the only option was a 'regular' cigarette. I still vape menthol - it's my daily goto. But menthol is not an innocent bystander by any means when mixed with nicotine.

L-Menthol has been shown to slow the metabolism of nicotine, creating a state where there is more systemic nicotine than no-menthol. We already know that nicotine raises blood pressure and pulse slightly while also acting as a vasoconstrictor, so it's possible the influence of menthol on nicotine metabolism may sustain those responses longer than no-menthol, which may affect stamina, since stamina would be affected by BP/vasoconstriction. BP up = dragging your feet. Vasoconstriction = oxygen-starved muscles. Smokers' bodies build compensation mechanisms against all this. But since you're a never-smoker, you don't have those CMs built up, so about all I can suggest there is, don't vape menthol on ball days and see if your performance improves.

PLOS ONE: Menthol Attenuates Respiratory Irritation and Elevates Blood Cotinine in Cigarette Smoke Exposed Mice

Menthol increases nicotine exposure, worsens addiction -- ScienceDaily

(I thought about this one for a while - I think the actual addiction is to menthol itself and how it reacts with the brain - I haven't kicked menthol (or really wanted to) in over 5 years of vaping. )

 

[DaveP]

Try some juices and find one you can live with. PG can irritate and VG can create a "heavy lung" feeling. Most of us find the right mix of the two for good vapor output and flavor without the side effects. Personally, I'm good at 80pg/20vg. Some like more VG. When I get past the 50/50 level I start to feel like I'm having to breathe harder to maintain.

That said, I do about 30 miles a week on a stationary bike over 5 days along with 140 assorted free weight reps daily on a curl bar. I can maintain 98% oxygen saturation on my finger pulse oximeter while exercising.

 

[redddog]

I got heavy lung at 70VG/30OG. I get a harsh hit and cough at 70PG/30VG. 50/50 has been completely trouble free. Toolk a while but there was a time when I never thought I'd find the right mix for me.

Be willing to try different stuff. You said that the menthol was the only thing you could find but I bet you haven't uncovered every flavor out there. I'd be willing to bet, as others have, that menthol and VG overload are your issues.

 

[DaveP]

I got heavy lung at 70VG/30OG. I get a harsh hit and cough at 70PG/30VG. 50/50 has been completely trouble free. Toolk a while but there was a time when I never thought I'd find the right mix for me.

Be willing to try different stuff. You said that the menthol was the only thing you could find but I bet you haven't uncovered every flavor out there. I'd be willing to bet, as others have, that menthol and VG overload are your issues.

I can't deal with much more than 70pg/30vg in a juice without being able to feel some minor level of heavy lung effect. It's kind of strange since I can feel like I'm not getting enough oxygen sometimes, yet my finger pulse oximeter shows that I'm at 98% saturation. There must be something going on that doesn't affect getting O2 out to the fingertips. It's mental or there's something we don't yet know about.

 

[BigEgo]

yea ur right, i smoked a few cigs but then went to vaping. but what difference does it make? if anything i was never a heavy cig smoker so my lungs should be intact

I sure hope they are intact. Otherwise you got major probs.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I have experienced quite the opposite since quitting smoking- except for a few cigarettes/year, and vaping, instead. My mile times have decreased on my NordicTrack and I can go far greater distances and times. My heart rate has also decreased. Stamina in other regards has also been excellent...

I take it you weren't a smoker?

Same with me. Last winter I shoveled snow and got very winded in about 20 minutes. This winter I was shoveling snow 4 times as deep and shoveled for 1.5 hours and never got winded. Just tired and sore I used to raise a sweat a lot easier too.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Dave what is your nic level? Or maybe you are having a reaction to some of the artificial ingredients in most all juice?

 

[BigEgo]

It's probably a reaction to some flavoring. I have the same issue occasionally. Heck, some people can't vape on cotton because it causes an allergic reaction.

Or it could be the diacetyl and AP that is eating away our lung tissue and slowly sending us all to the lung transplant list.

 

[DC2]

I can't deal with much more than 70pg/30vg in a juice without being able to feel some minor level of heavy lung effect. It's kind of strange since I can feel like I'm not getting enough oxygen sometimes, yet my finger pulse oximeter shows that I'm at 98% saturation. There must be something going on that doesn't affect getting O2 out to the fingertips. It's mental or there's something we don't yet know about.

When you said more than 70pg/30vg did you mean no more PG than that?
Or did you mean no more VG than that?