Would you flip out this bad if you spilled the same amount of vanilla extract in the kitchen? Open the door a bit if it's to strong sheesh...
Spilled flavor concentrate Freaking Out
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Would you flip out this bad if you spilled the same amount of vanilla extract in the kitchen? Open the door a bit if it's to strong sheesh...
Yep, that is true. I only order 12mg I won't go above that, and it's easy to cut to my 6mg. I don't think they should be able to sell it at 100mg to just anybody, IMHO.
And that's your imho.... for me and many others we have no issues using 100mg nic for diy mixes. No need to scare everyone for your fears....
Hope you don't spill it on yourself, I know a fella who has scars on his hand from mishandling 100mg...
I just had remembered reading msds from other flavors, and seems they try to hide the msds as they don't mention "do not inhale" or "harmful if inhaled" when you're putting money in their pockets checking out on their website.
But they know exactly why we are buying it. They would potentially lose a lot of customers if people were to read the msds before they bought it. They make it hard to find the msds since the average joe won't know where to look for it.
They also claim "diacetyl free" on their basic description of the flavors, then on the msds claim "may not be diacetyl free".
So when I see stuff like that, it draws up a big red flag. Obviously I am taking the risk because I know the cigs were going to kill me in the long run anyways.
I think just reading the msds just is scary, but when smoking cigs we didn't think about, or read up on the 4,000 chemicals that were harmful to us.
Personally, I am a little more intimidated by concentrated bleach than 100 mg/ml nicotine. We read a lot of scary stuff about it here, and it is really good to have a healthy respect for the risks involved, but it is something that can be handled by end users, as long as they know how to protect themselves and others. For pure nicotine, I agree that access should be limited, and any reputable supplier of that will want assurance they are selling to someone with the right knowledge and equipment before they sell it.
Yes, I agree about bleach, but it's not being sold to be inhaled. I just feel that 100mg is too much to be sold over the counter. You know any kid that wants to get into DIY can get a hold of their parents credit card, go on wizard labs and order something that could be potentially fatal, or harmful if not researched properly before being purchased.
Make sure you are reading the real MSDS; it is called "MSDS Full" on their links. The one called just "MSDS" is not actually a real MSDS, it is just an in-house safety sheet (at least for that strawberry flavor). Personally, I think they are doing themselves and their customers a disservice by calling that an MSDS.
As and aside, moving forward the term "MSDS" will be replaced by "SDS" as part of the Hazcom 2012 standards.
But they can go to any drug store and by dozens if not hundreds of OTC medications that could also be harmful or fatal if used improperly, and an average hardware store has enough toxins to kill hundreds of people. So the question becomes how much do we need to fool-proof everything we come in contact with? Almost anyone can get a license and drive a car, and that is the most dangerous thing most of us will ever do.
Definitely, same applies with guns and knives, but I think they need to crack down on whatever they can control, and if it saves a few lives down the line, then it was worth it. I Sure 100mg will save everyone a few bucks down the road, but nobody vapes anywhere near that amount, and I just feel anything above 36 shouldn't be allowed. Just my 2 cents though.
I appreciate your perspective, but consider this: I vape 33-36 mg/ml, if all I could get was 36 mg/ml nicotine, I would have no room for flavorings. 100 mg/ml is serious stuff, but again, in my opinion, no more so than concentrated bleach, or charcoal lighter fluid. How about chemical paint strippers? Now there is something to be concerned about. And gasoline? Well that contains significant amounts of benzene (see MSDS for that linked above) and it is extremely flammable and even explosive under the right conditions. A kid can stick a butter knife in an electric socket and kill himself. Oh, how about fingernail polish remover? That stuff is seriously toxic and a real inhalation hazard. The list goes on and on, but at some point you have to draw the line and say people should be expected to use some common sense, and parents should take some responsibility for protecting their kids from harm. Should people have to take a course and become certified to buy Sharpie markers? Put one of those next to the intake of a PID meter and the VOC exposure limit alarms will start almost immediately.
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I wouldn't be worried. I've spilled flavorings many times in my mixing career. Plenty of times, it was over 2mL. I just immediately grabbed a paper towel, wiped it up, then rinsed the area with hot water. Took me less than 2 minutes to clean up and I've never had any dizziness or side effects. Just be quick with your clean up be sure to wash your hands afterward.
We could go on all day with this. It was actually pretty nice having this little debate with you.
Thanks, this is what I was originally looking for, somebody who has been in the same boat. Right on, thank you kind sir.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. I purchased some graham cracker flavor in a 4oz bottle,as I was mixing my juice I put the cap back on but not tighten. When I picked it back up it got about a foot over the table before letting go. Had flavoring splash on my face & chest,there was even some on the wall behind me. Lost about half that 4oz bottle. My only concern was it soaking into the table & wall but it cleaned up easily. Couple hours later I could hardly smell it.
All you were missing was a lil chocolate, and marshmallow
all jokes aside that sounded like a big mess and headache!That "they need to crack down on whatever they can control" or "shouldnt be allowed" mindset is exactly whats wrong with this country and mostly because of the Democrat party, otherwise known as the tax, spend and regulate party of big government. We dont need big D government constantly looking at new ways to regulate and control "we the people". These kinds of government imposed regulations always end up causing the government to expand even more as a result and impose overbearing regs and taxes on "we the people". Anything the government sticks its damn nose into gets screwed up for the people. Especially where the misguided so called progressive/liberal politician mindset is "lets put a sin tax on it" or "we need to control it" or "we need to put an end to it" or "that should be banned".
I think we should crack down on these damn nanny politicians and STOP ELECTING DEMOCRATS !
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Same here. And btw, you can do diy. IMO, the fact that you are intimidated by the potential consequences puts toward the head of the pack, safety -wise. But you do need to be able to avoid panic. It might help to establish your response procedure for each possible mishap ahead of time. This is what OSHA requires of any enterprise that handles hazardous waste (probably other stuff too, but waste is my purview). Have a spill (release) response plan. Have plenty of absorbent material on hand, and something to put them in. A roll of paper towels and a plastic trashbag works for fine most things one liter or less. You already know about gloves and eye protection. Do plan for some ventilation (perhaps not critical here, but always a good idea). If the space is small, can you at least leave a door partway open and be ready to open it fully if needed? You would probably not want to diy in a locked closet.
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