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Barbara21

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I'm reposting the OP. The person that approached was not from the venue's security staff, it was just another person attending the event. And, didn't give the OP a chance to educate him, just turned around and went to the next vaper and proceeded to do the same thing. As I said before, the guy was on a self-appointed "mission."

You're not exactly being fair.

According to the OP...someone from the crowd approached me (he was not an EAA official) and told me i cannot "smoke" here. i told him i am not smoking and to beat it... ie get lost. when he left and turned his back i continued right on vaping.

In other words, the OP was not exactly friendly and approachable.

I've had something like this happen only once. I smiled , said something like I know this looks like smoking but it's not. I asked if they knew anyone that smoked (of course the answer was 'yes'), then enthusiastically told them that ecigs were wonderful and they should encourage their friend/sister/whatever to try because I smoked for 30 years and haven't touched a cigarette since I started vaping, casually mentioned almost no health risk, different flavors, and invited them to tell me what they thought the vapor smelled like (MBV's 'Sticky Bun').

It ended up being a very pleasant conversation and I ended up giving him a MBV business card for his brother.

I would humbly suggest that this is a better way to win converts to our cause.
 
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Next time he'll just go to the officials or complain to the company and get them to enforce a ban.

Exactly. And that's not what vapers need or want.

I have a whole different approach. I totally get why someone would a) not want anyone smoking cigarettes near them, b) not know what vaping is, and c) come up and say something about it. If you hate the smell of cigarettes, if you are concerned for your health, if you have kids with you, etc - all good reasons why this can happen.

I feel it's the vaper's role at this stage of the game to educate politely and with compassion, not get ...... about the intrusion. Every time you pull someone aside and tell them about vaping, you are accomplishing two important things - you're moving us one step closer to being a nation that understands and supports vaping in public places, and you're giving someone knowledge they can use to help others quit smoking and avoid cancer, early death, etc.

If you had called that guy back over and taken 5 minutes to school him - in a cordial, friendly and positive manner - who knows what that little ripple in the pond would grow into.
 

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from OP "there were people ahead of me vaping and someone was smoking a cigarette. he went and bothered all of them."

Using my own discernment:

This guy had a personal agenda or "issue," whatever one chooses to call it, but it doesn't seem "normal" behavior to me. His drive or self-righteousness (anyone's call) was so strong that he felt no shame or embarrassment making such a spectacle of himself. Personally, I neither take the time nor risk engaging those kinds of people regardless of the subject. No matter how pleasant or how much educated information you attempt to pass on, its a waste and, as said, possibly risky. You can't reason with someone who hasn't formed their perspective based on reason to start with.
 

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Some people just can't stand to see other people enjoy themselves... And especially when it comes to anything vaguely resembling a cigarette... The wife and I were at a local eatery (outside in a designated smoking area by the way) vaping merrily away while enjoying our meal... A couple a few tables down from us (on the windward side) that were seated after us started fake coughing and called over a waitress to complain... The waitress attempted to explain (she knows us as we're regular customers) that we weren't smoking and that the area was a smoking designated area... Didn't make any difference - the people didn't leave but kept up their little coughing show until we finished our meal and went on our way...

In your instance, the other couple complaining were TOTALLY IN THE WRONG! They knew they were in a DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA and chose to sit there anyway. The fact that the waitress knew you is irrelevant really. ANYONE who chooses to smoke/vape in a DESIGNATED area, as long as they aren't doing anything against the rules/law should be able to do so free of harassment. If anything, I would have called back the same waitress and complained about THEM harassing you via their childish "coughing fits". Sorry for all the caps, but stuff like this really *bleeps* me off. *Rant over* Stay strong all, and happy vaping! :2cool:
 

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^ not sure what your trying to say.... you find it offensive but it's ok to say.
I'm just having fun with this as I hate what the Nazis did but not enough to call anyone a nazi as in order to be one you would have had to be a part of that in the 30-40's... A group of supremacist don't count as it would have taken atleast 1,000,000 deaths by said hands to really be considered a nazi but ofcourse I doubt the guy was wearing SS outfit and hailing anyone, or maybe he was in which case carry on! Strapped
 

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^ that def. offended me and the mods need to delete that post. not kool bro..... I bring up a legitimate issue and you make fun of a train derailing, how many innocent people were on that funny train you speak of. not to mention the people that lived at that intersection! that train could have almost wipe out half the members of this forum
 
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Okay, here is my last post on this subject. The accepted usage of the term "nazi," without capitalization, from
Nazi - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

2 often not capitalized

b: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person

You are offended. I'm sorry for that. But I will continue to use the term. It has been used many times on this forum, so evidently the moderators have no problem with it. But do, please, feel free to ignore my posts in the future.

We now resume our regularly scheduled programming...
 

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Did you even try to explain to him or did you just give him an attitude

sounds like you were just rather the fight then understanding

actaully he did not give me chance to explain it. he simply said "you cant smoke here" and i said i am not smoking. he shook his head and walked away did not want to he an explanation. so no i wasnt for a fight he did not want to hear an explantion. he simple saw something that looked like a cigarette and didnt feel that i should be doing it.


You just can't reason with some people. Some people you just have to knock to ground and mount them until they shut up. I was at the dog park and this dog was picking on my dog until Rigg's grabbed on to his neck and mounted him. The other dog squealed and whined and then Rigg's let him go. The other dog then played nice for the rest of the time.

The other dog's owner got all ...... and started yelling at me about how my dog was aggressive and shouldn't be there. I explained that dogs were dogs and settled stuff their way. He just complained and complained more and more so I grabbed him by the neck and mounted him until he squealed and whined and went home. Some times, you just have to go back to the classics of negotiation.
 
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StrappedKaos

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Okay, here is my last post on this subject. The accepted usage of the term "nazi," without capitalization, from
Nazi - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

2 often not capitalized

b: one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person

You are offended. I'm sorry for that. But I will continue to use the term. It has been used many times on this forum, so evidently the moderators have no problem with it. But do, please, feel free to ignore my posts in the future.

We now resume our regularly scheduled programming...

Odd that it is 2 often not capitalized but Nazi - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
It is capitalized in your url.....Is that considered a scheitern? You sure are trying hard to make the term an acceptable one with no regard to others feelings. I'm late for this train other's have mentioned to me in the last couple of post or I would continue with this discussion of how you plan to make a offensive word acceptable :) Still love ya thou. Strapped
 

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Some people disagree with the op's attitude but I would have done the same thing. Sticking up for yourself is not going to give ecigs a bad name or create chaos around the world. In fact, more people need to be like this instead of rolling over like a little puppy. That's what's wrong with today's society. Everyone is in love with 'authority' figures. And if they aren't successful being one themselves, they go tattle and try to earn brownie points.

Someone's first approach to me determines how I deal with them. "Excuse me, I don't think smoking is allowed here." calls for a MUCH different response than "Hey! Put that out! You can't smoke here!" And it's not all vapers' responsibility to try and sell ecigs to society. If someone wants to learn about it, I'll tell them everything I know. If they come up to me and start bossing me around, (which is what some people just enjoy doing) then the response will be me telling them to...well, you know.
 

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Some people disagree with the op's attitude but I would have done the same thing. Sticking up for yourself is not going to give ecigs a bad name or create chaos around the world. In fact, more people need to be like this instead of rolling over like a little puppy. That's what's wrong with today's society. Everyone is in love with 'authority' figures. And if they aren't successful being one themselves, they go tattle and try to earn brownie points.

Someone's first approach to me determines how I deal with them. "Excuse me, I don't think smoking is allowed here." calls for a MUCH different response than "Hey! Put that out! You can't smoke here!" And it's not all vapers' responsibility to try and sell ecigs to society. If someone wants to learn about it, I'll tell them everything I know. If they come up to me and start bossing me around, (which is what some people just enjoy doing) then the response will be me telling them to...well, you know.

You remember that shampoo commercial with the lady in the shower making all those yes yes yes noises? That's me right now.


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