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Here is a safe vaping chart. This is to be used as a guide, not a law. The voltage is at the top of the chart. Since you have a Twist, you'll have some play in that. Along the left side, you'll see the resistance of the carto in ohms. The area in green is what you are looking for. That is the 'desired vaping area'. Hope this helps clear up some of the confusing in your mind. I know I was TOTALLY dumbfounded by this myself when I first started vaping!:laugh:

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    That touches on what I still don't fully understand. That's kinda saying "hey, I like what I have, so regardless of the science that says that there's something that will give a more optimum vape under a wider variety of circumstances, and can also increase my battery life, I'm going to stick with what is arguably inferior because I like it".

    I don't expect you to change your view in the face of logic and reason; that's pretty (and all-too) rare. I say this more for the others reading this thread.

    No, what science (VV) did is *prove* that I really did like what I like.

    Now my Provari is running at 1.52 amps, and for my mechanical mod to produce that same vaping experence at 3.7v it uses 1.9 amps. So where the VV/VW wins out is the more efficient use of power to produce the same vaping experence.
    The nice thing about the mechanical mod is it doesn't take a 16 page instruction manual to run it.:facepalm:
     
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    'The nice thing about the mechanical mod is it doesn't take a 16 page instruction manual to run it.'
    You got an instruction manual with yours? :laugh:
    No worries though, even a dummy like ME was able to figure it out in about 5 minutes.:D


    So how many times do you push the button to turn the light off in the button?:?:
    (answer: 15 times, and then toggle on or off)

    It's online.
    http://www.provape.com/v/images/ProVariManual.pdf
     
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    No, what science (VV) did is *prove* that I really did like what I like.

    Now my Provari is running at 1.52 amps, and for my mechanical mod to produce that same vaping experence at 3.7v it uses 1.9 amps. So where the VV/VW wins out is the more efficient use of power to produce the same vaping experence.
    The nice thing about the mechanical mod is it doesn't take a 16 page instruction manual to run it.:facepalm:

    With a constant voltage device, you can't adjust for variances among or between lots of cartomizers that are often slightly different resistances. With a VV device, you can run a (reasonable) variety of different attachments of varying resistances. With constant voltage, you cannot. Would anyone "like" those limitations? I don't see why they would.

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    Well I read the thread and alot of it flew straight over my head but I think I get the jist of it:

    I can have my cake but can't eat it also. The current is pretty much irrelevant with the twist in the ohm calculator: DC 1.5,
    DC 3.0 or SC 2.0 ohms... the runtime on my twist should be about the same for all. ??
    Correct. Watts in equals watts out. So input current at 3.2v and 8w is equal to input current at 4.8 and 8w.
    One of us is about to learn something. Please God, don't let it be me! LOLOL

    Lol, I certainly learned a lot when I was trying to figure out where I went wrong in that thread.
     

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    With a constant voltage device, you can't adjust for variances among or between lots of cartomizers that are often slightly different resistances. With a VV device, you can run a (reasonable) variety of different attachments of varying resistances. With constant voltage, you cannot. Would anyone "like" those limitations? I don't see why they would.

    It's interesting to me to observe human psychology in action.

    The reality is that you can make a larger difference in taste by how hard you draw on an atty/carto than you can by changing the voltage by 0.1-0.2v. Controlling airflow is every bit as important as controlling voltage. There are just a lot of different ways to skin this cat. My experence is that I can get a pretty good vape from almost any PV you want to name simply by how it is used. It is also no problem at all to get the worse vape you ever imagined from any PV you want to name.

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    I would also be quick to point out that no matter what you do with volt-ohms-watts, it's still only 1/3 of the vaping formula. You still have the type of atty/carto, and the juice you intend to use in them to contend with.
     
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    I'm sooo confused! I do get the mah's, but volts and ohm's are confusing me. Youtube vid tells me I can fry my battery if I am using something with too high ohm's. I don't think I have reached that point. I have the 1000mah eGo upgradee variable volt. So, I'm good for 3.3 to 4.1 I believe it is.

    Is there an ohm's for dummies post around here somewhere?? LOL I'm looking at the rebuildable Stardust, but I've no clue what the difference is in the ohm choices. I use high vg juices. I have the non rebuildable 2.5-2.8 ohm short wick Stardust and it's been wonderful for weeks now. Should I just stick with the 2.8 coil head, what will the others offer me?

    Love your screenname.
    I grew up in Florida. Hibiscus were everywhere & my little brother...may he rest in peace... Used to call them "hibiscuits". Haha. It gave me a wonderful smile. Thanks. :)
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    The reality is that you can make a larger difference in taste by how hard you draw on an atty/carto than you can by changing the voltage by 0.1-0.2v. Controlling airflow is every bit as important as controlling voltage. There are just a lot of different ways to skin this cat. My experence is that I can get a pretty good vape from almost any PV you want to name simply by how it is used. It is also no problem at all to get the worse vape you ever imagined from any PV you want to name.

    We seem to be dancing, yet I don't hear any music.

    I'm not saying that you can't adjust flavor, amount of vapor, or any other metric of the vape more readily with a .1 - .2 volt adjustment on a VV device than you can be adjusting the draw. I will say that it seems to me that using variable voltage will IMO give you a wider range of adjustability of those metrics than will adjusting the draw, and on a relatively wide range of attachments; obviously, the wider the voltage range and the higher the amp limit, the wider that range.

    My experience is also that you can get a "pretty good" vape on almost any PV, with the right attachment. It is also my experience that you will get a better vape most of the time using variable voltage instead of fixed voltage. I don't think I'm the "Lone Ranger" when I say that.

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you happen to have just the right coil with just the right juice, a constant voltage device will give the exact same vape as a variable voltage device putting out that same amount of volts to that same coil. But I think that it is an indisputable advantage to be able to turn the voltage up or down a little to adjust the watts being generated within the coil. What's not to "like" about that?
     
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    We seem to be dancing, yet I don't hear any music.

    I'm not saying that you can't adjust flavor, amount of vapor, or any other metric of the vape more readily with a .1 - .2 volt adjustment on a VV device than you can be adjusting the draw. I will say that it seems to me that using variable voltage will IMO give you a wider range of adjustability of those metrics than will adjusting the draw, and on a relatively wide range of attachments; obviously, the wider the voltage range and the higher the amp limit, the wider that range.

    My experience is also that you can get a "pretty good" vape on almost any PV, with the right attachment. It is also my experience that you will get a better vape most of the time using variable voltage instead of fixed voltage. I don't think I'm the "Lone Ranger" when I say that.

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you happen to have just the right coil with just the right juice, a constant voltage device will give the exact same vape as a variable voltage device putting out that same amount of volts to that same coil. But I think that it is an indisputable advantage to be able to turn the voltage up or down a little to adjust the watts being generated within the coil. What's not to "like" about that?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking VV. I'm just trying to point out that there are other things that make just as big a difference. A mistake I see on here every day is the idea that a different voltage (or PV) will solve every issue. So I try to get people to think past the voltage (or PV) that they are using, and look at the rest of what they are using (or doing).

    A Provari or Darwin will not change the fact that it's past time to change out that carto or clean that atty, and sometimes the solution is just that simple.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking VV. I'm just trying to point out that there are other things that make just as big a difference. A mistake I see on here every day is the idea that a different voltage (or PV) will solve every issue. So I try to get people to think past the voltage (or PV) that they are using, and look at the rest of what they are using (or doing).

    A Provari or Darwin will not change the fact that it's past time to change out that carto or clean that atty, and sometimes the solution is just that simple.

    I agree 1000%

    The greatest PV in the world, whether it is a 78mm 3.7v smokeless image battery, an ego, kgo, twist or even the provari will not make up for a horrible juice delivery system.

    IMHO, the juice delivery system is much more important that the device you are using for the power. Sometimes switching from a cartomizer to a bottom coil ce3 makes all the difference in the world. I was using cartos on my 78mm battery and was very frustrated. I hated it and almost went back to smoking, it had nothing to do with the PV. The battery time was great for a mini at 3 hours, 3.7volts was perfect, heck even the vapor was good. But I was so tired of having to refill it constantly, not knowing how much was in there and the muted flavor. I can't tell you how many times I left the house with 5 cartos that I filled up and thought I was good for the day. Then, a couple of hours later I would be ...... because they were empty. Once I found the bottom coil ce3, everything changed. Add in the vivi nova for home, and i was in heaven. Having a provari or twist with me would not have changed the fact that cartos are horrible (trying not use another word). Thats why you will never see me recommend cartos. And if someone is insistent on them, I only recommend bottom coil cartos since they don't burn as easily and provide more vapor.

    Personally, even when I use the provari, I don't sit there and change the voltage by .1 increments all the time. I set it at 3.3 for my 1.8ohm vivi nova head (I only use it because I have it), 3.7v for the 2.4ohm and 4.0 for my 2.8ohm head. The only time I adjust from there is if the resistance is off on the vivi nova head (which is known to happen). I really believe that is how most people are too. I think that many people just want to vape but are not in search of the "perfect vape.". Yes, some of us want to always make it better, but some don't. It's like food. Some people are always on the search for the perfect wings or the perfect burger, but most people just like any wings or burgers and it doesn't matter if it's not absolutely perfect.

    We didn't spend this much time deciding what analogs to buy. We found a flavor we like, and stuck with it. You can't change the temperature of an analog, or how much smoke comes out. You get what you get.

    Finding the right juice delivery system that gives good flavor and vapor, doesn't leak and lasts will satisfy you a lot more than the perfect PV. Why do you think that is the technology thats changing from day to day. In a year, all of the pv's will be close to what they are today. Maybe a tweak here or there to give more battery life, or safety features but other than that, it will basically be the same power source that we use now. On the other hand, I can pretty much guarantee that most of us will be using completely different juice delivery systems. That's the important part, because that's what holds the juice and actually heats it up.


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    "A mistake I see on here every day is the idea that a different voltage (or PV) will solve every issue".

    If I have ever given the impression that I think that variable voltage will "solve every issue", I would like to distance myself from that notion, which I disagree with 100%.

    That said, I cannot think of one single significant advantage that constant voltage has over variable voltage. I can think of several significant advantages that variable voltage has over constant voltage. That is why recommend variable voltage over constant voltage, especially since the arrival of the $22 Joyetech eGo-C Twist.

    Could someone please list some of the advantages of fixed voltage over variable voltage? TIA.

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    "A mistake I see on here every day is the idea that a different voltage (or PV) will solve every issue".

    If I have ever given the impression that I think that variable voltage will "solve every issue", I would like to distance myself from that notion, which I disagree with 100%.

    That said, I cannot think of one single significant advantage that constant voltage has over variable voltage. I can think of several significant advantages that variable voltage has over constant voltage. That is why recommend variable voltage over constant voltage, especially since the arrival of the $22 Joyetech eGo-C Twist.

    Could someone please list some of the advantages of fixed voltage over variable voltage? TIA.

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    John,

    I am not against variable voltage, I just don't think it's for everyone. Some people just want ease of use.

    Constant voltage is easy, like lighting a cigarette. Just put a carto/clearo and go.

    I have several devices now, but I still use my 78mm constant 3.7v battery every single day for about 7 hours. Why? Because its small and it's easy. I am an landscaper who works outside all day and drives about 100 miles per day. I want something small that I can use just like a cigarette. After 15 years of hanging a cigarette in my mouth while I run a mower or tractor, it's what I'm used to. I tried to use a manual device at work one day, you know what I did, I smoked a cigarette because I couldnt sit there and press a button since my hands were busy. I would have never quit smoking if it weren't for a good automatic mini. I had seen egos and mod boxes for about a year, I wanted nothing to do with them, but when I found a device that looked and responded like an analog, that would last me 3 hours, I immediately jumped onto it.

    Not everyone wants to deal with finding the perfect amount of vapor. My wife won't touch anything but her mini. I tried to get her to try my provari, she hated it. Said it was too big, too heavy and too much to think about. She won't even use my 650mah x2 (same as a kgo), she says it too heavy. Same thing with my 67 year old mother-in-law. She wants simple. She won't even fill her cartos, let alone push a button or change the voltage. Every week she brings me 10 cartos and I have to fill them up for her. And let's get to biggest example. My brother in law. I told him to start with a mini or a kgo. He went onto the forums and after reading about how great variable voltage is, he bought a provari (which I personally think is a stupid purchase for a first PV until you know you like it). He used it for 2 days, and said he hates it. Said it was too much work. He wants something that he doesn't have to think about at all. He gave me his provari in trade for a couple of 78mm volt batteries and a few ce3's. He doesn't even like the x2 because it's too big.

    Yes, for some people, vv is the way to go. But for someone who is hesitant to vaping, or a light smoker, it may not be. And yes, they may eventually end up there. I know I did even though I swore I wouldn't. It's like feeding a baby. We don't take a 3 month old baby and say "I know that in couple of years you are going to eat pizza, so let's start there now", we start them on formula, move to cereal, to baby food, to small adult food and so on. We don't take our kids and put them on a 24 speed, 26"bicycle do we? No, we start them on a tricycle, move them to a small 2 wheeler with training wheels until they get into that 24speed.

    They may spend money on devices that eventually they grow out of, but in the grand scheme of things, it's nothing compared to the amount of money they were probably spending on analogs. If I bought a new provari every month and enough juice to last me for the month, I still wouldnt spend as much as I did on analogs.

    As far as I concerned, whatever gets a person off analogs is a good device. For some it only takes a constant voltage mini or kgo, for others, it takes a twist, and for others it takes a $200 mod. Not everyone is like us John. Not everyone wants to find the sweet spot of a juice. I am a very heavy vaper, probably more than most people on here when you consider I use about 6-10ml a day of juice per day. I am very happy with a constant 3.7v device. I own a vv and I know what they can do, yet I like and use my simple constant voltage most of the time. With as much juice as I go through, I use my provari for one reason, because I love the vivi nova and the provari allows me to use my vivi nova without thread adapters. Plus, they look really good together. I have fiddled with the voltage, yet I seem to always adjust the voltage back to around 5 1/2 watts. If I can be happy with that, what's to say that the 1/2 -1 PAD smoker who is only vaping 2ml a day can't be as well.

    I like you John. We are on the same side. We are both here on a Saturday night trying to PIF to help people quit analogs. But variable voltage isn't for everyone, and neither is constant voltage.




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    Could someone please list some of the advantages of fixed voltage over variable voltage? TIA.

    I know we've come a long way from the era of original high voltage mods, but one of the problems with any mod, for me, is the size and having a button. No matter how hard I try ~ and I have, believe, me ~ I just cannot get used to the size and I really don't like having a button. I admit I haven't tried a Provari, but I have tried a number of mods (a few were VV, some not) and the only one I like is a Precise, which by the way is beautifully made, although not VV. I like the button on the bottom better than the others, but even it doesn't get too much use.

    And here's the really weird part ~ I don't even like egos because of the way they're tapered and, of course, that button thing.

    It's really not the old 'it has to look like a cigarette' (I've been at this for too long to still be hung up on that :p) or even vanity...even if I'm home all by myself, I just don't like using them.

    I'm living for the day that there's a sealed (not resistant) automatic battery that doesn't have a cone - Maybe something like a Lea or Leo.

    Right now I'm using the Stingray from GotVapes and I really do like these batteries. It's an auto, the mAh is adequate for me and there's not button, but, again, they're 'resistant' to issues with liquid and the performance does seem to fall off after using them for awhile which I'm attributing to small amounts of juice getting inside over time.

    I envy your contentment and I wish I knew what was wrong with me that I can't adjust to what seems to work so well for so many people.
     

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    Jeffreys,
    There is no danger to the device or you. You are at 7.6 watts which is well within a safe range. That chart is actually quite conservative. I have run dual coils at 18 watts and singles at 10 just to see where my comfort limit is. kGo's will handle 1.5 dual coils just fine. That is what I started on. So your 1.8 is not an issue.
     

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    John,

    I am not against variable voltage, I just don't think it's for everyone. Some people just want ease of use.

    Constant voltage is easy, like lighting a cigarette. Just put a carto/clearo and go.

    I have several devices now, but I still use my 78mm constant 3.7v battery every single day for about 7 hours. Why? Because its small and it's easy. I am an landscaper who works outside all day and drives about 100 miles per day. I want something small that I can use just like a cigarette. After 15 years of hanging a cigarette in my mouth while I run a mower or tractor, it's what I'm used to. I tried to use a manual device at work one day, you know what I did, I smoked a cigarette because I couldnt sit there and press a button since my hands were busy. I would have never quit smoking if it weren't for a good automatic mini. I had seen egos and mod boxes for about a year, I wanted nothing to do with them, but when I found a device that looked and responded like an analog, that would last me 3 hours, I immediately jumped onto it.

    Not everyone wants to deal with finding the perfect amount of vapor. My wife won't touch anything but her mini. I tried to get her to try my provari, she hated it. Said it was too big, too heavy and too much to think about. She won't even use my 650mah x2 (same as a kgo), she says it too heavy. Same thing with my 67 year old mother-in-law. She wants simple. She won't even fill her cartos, let alone push a button or change the voltage. Every week she brings me 10 cartos and I have to fill them up for her. And let's get to biggest example. My brother in law. I told him to start with a mini or a kgo. He went onto the forums and after reading about how great variable voltage is, he bought a provari (which I personally think is a stupid purchase for a first PV until you know you like it). He used it for 2 days, and said he hates it. Said it was too much work. He wants something that he doesn't have to think about at all. He gave me his provari in trade for a couple of 78mm volt batteries and a few ce3's. He doesn't even like the x2 because it's too big.

    Yes, for some people, vv is the way to go. But for someone who is hesitant to vaping, or a light smoker, it may not be. And yes, they may eventually end up there. I know I did even though I swore I wouldn't. It's like feeding a baby. We don't take a 3 month old baby and say "I know that in couple of years you are going to eat pizza, so let's start there now", we start them on formula, move to cereal, to baby food, to small adult food and so on. We don't take our kids and put them on a 24 speed, 26"bicycle do we? No, we start them on a tricycle, move them to a small 2 wheeler with training wheels until they get into that 24speed.

    They may spend money on devices that eventually they grow out of, but in the grand scheme of things, it's nothing compared to the amount of money they were probably spending on analogs. If I bought a new provari every month and enough juice to last me for the month, I still wouldnt spend as much as I did on analogs.

    As far as I concerned, whatever gets a person off analogs is a good device. For some it only takes a constant voltage mini or kgo, for others, it takes a twist, and for others it takes a $200 mod. Not everyone is like us John. Not everyone wants to find the sweet spot of a juice. I am a very heavy vaper, probably more than most people on here when you consider I use about 6-10ml a day of juice per day. I am very happy with a constant 3.7v device. I own a vv and I know what they can do, yet I like and use my simple constant voltage most of the time. With as much juice as I go through, I use my provari for one reason, because I love the vivi nova and the provari allows me to use my vivi nova without thread adapters. Plus, they look really good together. I have fiddled with the voltage, yet I seem to always adjust the voltage back to around 5 1/2 watts. If I can be happy with that, what's to say that the 1/2 -1 PAD smoker who is only vaping 2ml a day can't be as well.

    I like you John. We are on the same side. We are both here on a Saturday night trying to PIF to help people quit analogs. But variable voltage isn't for everyone, and neither is constant voltage.




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    I just wanted to chime in and say,I am enjoying all of the various opions.I am currently using 3 twists,but I have a son who struggled thruout school with learning disabilities and to this day has to do things repeditively in order to learn something new.I was thrilled to see him take to vaping with such excitmenet and since he is totally happy with the ego passthrus that I bought for him(easy to use) I totaly get your point of ease of use.I personally love to tinker with new things so Im lovin the twist.Thank you all for the different veiws...:)
     

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