mahs, volts, ohms, oh my!

[ccclady]

Hi all

I got my first e-cig kit a few days ago (Joye 510 w/manual batt) and like it very much, other than the short battery life. For that reason, I'm planning to upgrade soon to something that's going to last a little longer and am presently leaning toward the Riva 510/eGo although I'm seeing the KR808-D1 mentioned in these forums alot as well.

The problem is..the more research that I try to do on both of these models, the more confused I end up. I just don't understand the ~answers~ I've seen in similar posts that ask the same questions that I'm going to ask, so I hope some of you can help me make some sense of all this information so that I can make a good decision?


OK. A big part of my problem is trying to understand all this stuff about ohms and mahs and volts and low resistances and standard resistances and what goes with what, etc. From what I've been able to figure out thus far, I definitely want something with a larger battery if I don't want to be recharging it all the time, so should I be looking at voltage or mahs or what??

Then, I also run into the issue of trying to decide whether or not to switch to cartomizers or stay with dripping only or continue to use carts+attys. The issues I'm having with all three of these are (1) trying to figure out which attys or cartomizers to buy, taking into account the "ohms" and low-resistance or standard-resistance issues that I'm so confused about; and (2) which method would be best, considering ease of use and monthly cost (eg: dripping is easy and don't have to mess about with carts or cartos but do have to consider the cost of replacing attys on a regular basis ~vs.~ cartomizers which seem to not need refilling as often as a cart but also don't last as long so there is the cost of replacing those on a regular basis). And again, if I go with the cartomizer or dripping method, I still have to figure out whether to go with low resistance or standard resistance cartos and/or attys.

*Sigh*. I suspect I'm probably making all of this harder than it needs to be, but really need some help figuring it all out in a simple, easy-to-understand way. Can someone help, please?

 

[Blossomer]

Hi, I am in the same boat. I received my Joye 510 three weeks ago, I loved it, but the batteries die so fast. So, I ordered 510 mega batteries, which last longer. Now I don't even use the ones that came with the kit. I would also like to know what is the next best upgrade from here? A battery mod? A juice mod? Ego tank? I thought I read somewhere that ego batteries would work on the 510, but I'm not sure. Should I get the low resistance atomizers? I am lost too.

 

[lynleestar]

mAh determines battery life, the 510 is a pretty low mah, ego start at 650 and go up from there. I'd recommend 900 mah or more for good strong battery life.

ohm deal with the resistence of attys or cartos. 1.5 ohm is low resistance and they go up to 3.2, 3.5 or higher for higher voltage vaping. The lower the ohm (or resistance) the hotter it will burn.

The 510 is 3.7 volt. Other mods are 5v, 6v, or even variable voltage.

Hope that helps a little~!

 

[lynleestar]

510 is the type of threads the battery has. There are many 510 threaded devices, the ego is one of them.

 

[cozzicon]

Hi all

I got my first e-cig kit a few days ago (Joye 510 w/manual batt) and like it very much, other than the short battery life. For that reason, I'm planning to upgrade soon to something that's going to last a little longer and am presently leaning toward the Riva 510/eGo although I'm seeing the KR808-D1 mentioned in these forums alot as well.

The problem is..the more research that I try to do on both of these models, the more confused I end up. I just don't understand the ~answers~ I've seen in similar posts that ask the same questions that I'm going to ask, so I hope some of you can help me make some sense of all this information so that I can make a good decision?


OK. A big part of my problem is trying to understand all this stuff about ohms and mahs and volts and low resistances and standard resistances and what goes with what, etc. From what I've been able to figure out thus far, I definitely want something with a larger battery if I don't want to be recharging it all the time, so should I be looking at voltage or mahs or what??

Then, I also run into the issue of trying to decide whether or not to switch to cartomizers or stay with dripping only or continue to use carts+attys. The issues I'm having with all three of these are (1) trying to figure out which attys or cartomizers to buy, taking into account the "ohms" and low-resistance or standard-resistance issues that I'm so confused about; and (2) which method would be best, considering ease of use and monthly cost (eg: dripping is easy and don't have to mess about with carts or cartos but do have to consider the cost of replacing attys on a regular basis ~vs.~ cartomizers which seem to not need refilling as often as a cart but also don't last as long so there is the cost of replacing those on a regular basis). And again, if I go with the cartomizer or dripping method, I still have to figure out whether to go with low resistance or standard resistance cartos and/or attys.

*Sigh*. I suspect I'm probably making all of this harder than it needs to be, but really need some help figuring it all out in a simple, easy-to-understand way. Can someone help, please?

Ok.. well first off... leave the volts/ohms stuff aside for the time being. I'm going to mention some basic information, but before you start spending money- it's better to take a bit of time and try a few things.

That being said...

On a standard atomizer you can basically equate "mah" to battery life. The standard 510 battery is 180mah. A standard eGo battery is 650mah. So the eGo battery lasts longer.

Ohms, is a measure of resistance. An electrical concept. Generally speaking, lower ohms = more heat from the atomizer, and shorter battery life.

So you have different battery capacities, and different atomizer ohm ratings.

Which is for you? It's up to you.

As a beginner I would recommend an eGo or Riva kit. You can then try different atomizers (Low resistance/tank/standard- whatever) on that battery. Some people do not like low resistance atties.. some do.

Then there is voltage.... let that be for now. But you can use a high voltage mod, with a standard atomizer, and essentially get the same effect as a low resistance atomizer on a standard 3.2 to 3.7 volt battery.

That would be a very basic outline.

 

[ancient puffer]

I'll give it a shot!

First, the Riva/Ego will work just fine with the 510 stuff you already have, the KR808 won't.

The "size" of the battery (measured in mAH) is an indication of how long the battery will last on a single charge. Most cigarette sized batteries are rated at ("hold") 150mAH, or 280mAH for the "long" ones. Ego/Rivas are rated at 650mAH so they last about 4 times as long as the cigarette sized ones. You can also get bigger ones, rated at 1100mAH and even 1300mAH. Those will last you all day (or most of it if you vape your brains out)

Atomizers and cartomizers "present" a resistance to the electricity that comes out of the battery, lower resistance will use up your charge on the battery faster, but they burn hotter, so they give you more vapor and a 'warmer' vapor. Because they run "hotter", they also don't last quite as long (in theory).

As for cartridges (carts) vs cartomizers(cartos), its basically this: cartos are a combined cart and atomizer. I've (personally) found that the life expectancy of atomizers is quite varied, some last weeks, some only days. So *for me* the cartos are cheaper. They can be refilled quite a few times, then just toss them when they die on you. Atomizers, to me, are pretty expensive, but cartos tend not to be.

That's the best explanation I can give, and I'm NO expert on this stuff, but that's my understanding.

HTH

Edit: Cozzicon posted while I was typing mine, so...Nevermind Seriously, if anything I said contradicts his post, ignore me, he IS an expert

 

[AttyPops]

1) You're not making it hard; there's a lot of detailed information here. It takes a while to digest it.
2) mAh and all that stuff.... don't worry too much about it. It's just a unit if measure. You can use it for comparison. For example, your 510 probably has 180 mah. So, a one type of eGo has 650. That gives you an idea of how much longer it will last (sort of). Don't worry about what it means.... it is just a unit of measure and gives you a relative idea of how much electricity is stored in the battery. As far as volts/LR and all that stuff.... you're at 3.2 volts with the 510 and will be around there with the eGo too (maybe a little better amps....there I go again... lol.). Look. Volts=oomph. mah = duration. LR... sigh.....

look.... Just go by experience. If you know the type of atomizers you are using now, and like them, cool. If not, try a 2.5 ohm atty at 3.7 volts.

The other stuff (cartos vs atties) is personal preference. You have to try it out for yourself. I dislike most cartos, but others love em. meh. To each their own. You can analyze this stuff to death and get stuck in "analysis paralysis" trying to "do it perfectly and not make a mistake". When really, it's all personal preferences (well... mostly). I'd say, stick with the Riva/Ego. Get a box of cartos to try. Keep a good supply of atties that you use now so you have a plan that works. Then you can afford to experiment a little bit at a time. Get one 2.5 ohm atty, and one 2.0 ohm atty, for example (you can even get different colored ones to keep track of em). Get some different juices. Have fun. But keep supplies of stuff that you know works so you don't get stuck.

The eGo/Riva mah question: You want to look at mah... that's the duration so you don't have to charge as much. Some are 1000 mah or more.

I helped my GF get a kit from Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store. and ordered a 1000 mah eGo, a 650 mah ego PT, and another spare battery too. Juice too. Came with 2 standard atties (around 3.0 ohm).

EDIT: I started typing this at reply #2, by the time I posted it I'm #7, so sorry if there is duplicate info.

 

[ccclady]

Thank you all so much for your responses!! I'm reading through all of them right now and appreciate your help very much )

 

[Adrena]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartomizer-issues/174302-voltage-resistance-chart-madvapes.html#top
This may help you decide and save a batt took me a month to understand, than I found this.

As to a juice devilry system I love the CE2 XL filling it only at most 5 times a day. Though the one map tank (gifted to me) I have really rocks holding probably a full days juice. I just don't use it often saving it for outing like camping and such. I so need to find out how to make these tanks........
YouTube - MAP TANK how-to

 

[ccclady]

Edited - duplicated post, sorry!

 

[CBB]

The Riva/eGo is a good choice I would start with standard atomizer or cartomizers 2.2-3Ω that that for a while and if you want a warmer hit then order some LRs Dripping has great flavor but its a bit too much of a hastle for my liking I only drip a desert or something special that I am not going to use much of. I prefer cartomizers but still use atty+carts ocasionally. But a large cartomizer can last several hours where an atty and cart is only good for about an hour before refilling.

Your standard 510 has either a 180mAh or 280mAh battery and you will get 1-3 hours out of them an eGo battery is 650mAh and will last a light vaper all day a moderate to heavy vaper will use up to 3 charges a day still far better than the performance of a 180mAh

KR808D-1 is also a good choice but batterylife can be an issue. You can get up to around 350Mah cigarette sized batteries for them but they are 4 inches long or you can get a KR8 mod like the PigCig which does have a high mAh but are pretty pricy.

 

[Stosh]

Simple way would be to think of your e-cig as a car. Sounds silly but it fits.

The mah is the gas tank, bigger means less fill-ups (charging), doesn't change performance
The volts are the horsepower of the engine, more volts the faster you go (fast is more vapor and heat)
The ohms are the RV trailer hooked up to your car, resistance to going fast.

The trick is to match up the volts and ohms so your car can pull the trailer up the hill.
More voltage or less resistance (ohms) lets you go faster, or a combination of both
gets you pulled over for speeding (burned juice)

Trying different attys and cartos, (just a one or two of each) at different resistance is
easy and gives you the ability to use what works best with different flavors and PG/VG ratios.