Musing-My thoughts on what's to come-or not

[FlamingoTutu]

Joined on Monday, probably moved on by Tuesday.

Mattiem, sorry someone tried to derail your most excellent thread. Not your fault, please don't worry about it.

 

[caramel]

I'm still here for the debate. I say that since Govt squarely put us in the same corner as the tobacco smokers we should not diss them (like I've already seen it done around here).

 

[mattiem]

Sorry mattiem...it is not your fault at all

...and he is now gone for a while - hopefully he will take the time to read and appreciate the rules that we have in place and understand why they are there.

we'll get it back on track..I'm not going gently into that good night.

I saw them do it to us smokers..slowly restrict and tax the livin' daylights out of us.

but this time around, thanks to those clinicians doing valid studies, CASAA, and my poor reps who have heard from me and will continue to.

Totally not your fault mattiem, someone was looking for a fight.

Joined on Monday, probably moved on by Tuesday.

Mattiem, sorry someone tried to derail your most excellent thread. Not your fault, please don't worry about it.

Thank you all. I love this place and it really upsets me when someone comes along wishing only to cause trouble.

 

[Oregon Linda]

Mattiem, I for one have gotten a lot of good food for thought from this thread, so I hope you won't blame yourself for someone else's personal problem. I didn't really get the impression that he was interested in discussing, but rather just wanted to pick a fight. Not your fault. As someone else mentioned, he just joined the forum and probably hasn't taken the time to learn what is what.

 

[mattiem]

I'm still here for the debate. I say that since Govt squarely put us in the same corner as the tobacco smokers we should not diss them (like I've already seen it done around here).

Hopefully not in this thread. I was one of them for 45+ years and would never say a bad word against them. I just hope they will give this a shot if they want to quit smoking. It is for them that I do what I do.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

(((((Mattie)))))

 

[Robino1]

I truly am sorry that this thread ended up this way. It sure wasn't the way I had hoped it would go.

Sweetie, chin up and all that. I love this thread that you started.
To refresh our memories:

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I do realize that when the hammer comes down it isn't going to come down from a federal level because of the few that choose to make a game of vaping. I realize that it is all about the money they are losing because we have found a way to put the smokes behind us and hopefully a way to keep anyone else from EVER picking up the habit of smoking. Their ONLY concern is lost revenue.

The taxes and/or restrictions are coming, Of that, I have no doubt. We have to do whatever we can to keep them from taxing/restricting us into oblivion.

When the smoking restrictions started it didn't start from the federal level. It started very small and grew into what we have today. It started in small towns, grew to counties and then to states and finally to just about everywhere.

Businesses were no longer allowed to choose how they would handle smoking/no smoking. It became law and they were forced to abide by that law or close their doors.

It happened so slowly that most of us didn't see it coming. We were the frog in the pot of water slowly being brought to a boil. Hopefully we are more aware this time.

Those that make a game of it will have an impact on how vaping is viewed by those that don't understand or even care what vaping is all about. I don't like it but there it is.{end quote}

 

[Oregon Linda]

I can't say that I've ever seen anyone dis smokers on ECF. We were all smokers once, so hopefully we all understand the huge difficulty smokers face in quitting. And mattiem, you are exactly right. If we don't work to preserve vaping, even if we personally have prepped for the eventuality of what is coming, than all those still smoking will not have the same chance that we have had.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Hopefully not in this thread. I was one of them for 45+ years and would never say a bad word against them. I just hope they will give this a shot if they want to quit smoking. It is for them that I do what I do.

That's what really makes me angry, all the smokers that won't have the opportunity to quit like we did if the worst comes to pass.

Someone posted in another thread that MBV is pulling up stakes in WA and moving to AZ because of the lunatic proposals they have going up there. Due to Legislative Pressure, Mt Baker Vapor is Relocating to Arizona - Mt Baker Vapor

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

That's what really makes me angry, all the smokers that won't have the opportunity to quit like we did if the worst comes to pass.

Someone posted in another thread that MBV is pulling up stakes in WA and moving to AZ because of the lunatic proposals they have going up there. Due to Legislative Pressure, Mt Baker Vapor is Relocating to Arizona - Mt Baker Vapor

Ouch. I guess I'm lucky so far in that my state (West Virginia) did not have any bills concerning vape brought up this year. I joined CASAA and only live a short drive from the Capitol, but didn't have a reason to make the drive. Vape got me off the cigs, and has me almost to zero in the nic in 4 months. Some of this legislation being proposed is unbelievable to me. I have a feeling vape will end up in the category we don't talk about, with some states being business friendly and others not. It's a shame. I do keep my fingers crossed the Federal level will not drop the hammer. I'm in the "prepare for the worst, pray for the best" column.

 

[YoursTruli]

It is a great thread with good conversation and points on both sides that I have been watching from the sidelines, the way some choose to behave is not your fault Mattiem.

My views and personal vaping habits have always been on the conservative/courteous end of the scale. While I agree it is vital to stand up for your rights and fight for what you believe in it is also vital to choose your battles wisely. I think all too often people get so bogged down in the little battles they lose sight of the war.

 

[mattiem]

That's what really makes me angry, all the smokers that won't have the opportunity to quit like we did if the worst comes to pass.

Someone posted in another thread that MBV is pulling up stakes in WA and moving to AZ because of the lunatic proposals they have going up there. Due to Legislative Pressure, Mt Baker Vapor is Relocating to Arizona - Mt Baker Vapor

That is just wrong in so many ways. I know they fought the good fight before they made this decision. I wonder how far Provape is behind them.

 

[mattiem]

It is a great thread with good conversation and points on both sides that I have been watching from the sidelines, the way some choose to behave is not your fault Mattiem.

My views and personal vaping habits have always been on the conservative/courteous end of the scale. While I agree it is vital to stand up for your rights and fight for what you believe in it is also vital to choose your battles wisely. I think all too often people get so bogged down in the little battles they lose sight of the war.

Thank you YoursTruli.

I agree that we have to choose our battles. I know we are going to lose some things but by letting our representatives know what is on our minds I am hoping it will sway them in our favor when rulings come up for vote.

 

[mattiem]

Ouch. I guess I'm lucky so far in that my state (West Virginia) did not have any bills concerning vape brought up this year. I joined CASAA and only live a short drive from the Capitol, but didn't have a reason to make the drive. Vape got me off the cigs, and has me almost to zero in the nic in 4 months. Some of this legislation being proposed is unbelievable to me. I have a feeling vape will end up in the category we don't talk about, with some states being business friendly and others not. It's a shame. I do keep my fingers crossed the Federal level will not drop the hammer. I'm in the "prepare for the worst, pray for the best" column.

Yes, so far you are lucky. One of the easiest things we can do at this point is join CASAA , get their alerts and then act on the calls of action. We will know more about what we can do once the deeming regs happen or act if there is another comment period. Right now it seems we are in a waiting period.

 

[YoursTruli]

That's what really makes me angry, all the smokers that won't have the opportunity to quit like we did if the worst comes to pass.

Someone posted in another thread that MBV is pulling up stakes in WA and moving to AZ because of the lunatic proposals they have going up there. Due to Legislative Pressure, Mt Baker Vapor is Relocating to Arizona - Mt Baker Vapor

That is really disheartening to see. Honestly, after seeing so many local hearing from across the US, state and senate and most recently the FDA workshop there is no doubt in my mind that they want to treat ecigs and vaping in the exact same way that cigarettes and smoking are currently addressed under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act throw in statewide bans and of course tax it to death

 

[DingerCPA]

Yowza! I just wandered back here, and I'm kinda glad I missed the fireworks.

I try to be a considerate vaper. IMHO, the frustration and the negativity towards vaping comes from the inconsiderate folks. When I was a smoker, I sure as heck *HATED* when another smoker blew into my face. I would tip my head up and exhale straight up as often as I could (unless of course, so doing would have caused me to fall off my barstool )

The inconsideration was readily apparent a few months ago, when I attended my first Vape Meet. The venue was NOT well-suited for the number of attendees, and because we were queuing through the hallways of the hotel, they'd asked us a NUMBER of times not to vape until we could get into the convention room. SO MANY people COMPLETELY IGNORED this simple request. In fact one "gentleman" blew a HUGE CLOUD right in the Fire Marshal's face. (I believe he was ticketed and escorted off the premises.)

THIS IS WHY WE GET SUCH A BAD RAP. (At least this is how I see it.)

Vaping as provided *ME* an opportunity to enjoy the same sensations as I did with smoking, BUT WITH WHAT I PERCEIVE to be FAR FEWER HARMFUL INGREDIENTS. Yet, I feel like a pariah - I RARELY see "vapers in the wild" (although I did catch a guy hitting his mod in a grocery store the other day, reading the Sunday papers that were laying out for sale. Heh heh heh)

I would LOVE to be able to go out to eat and enjoy a vape with my after-dinner drink. But, unless something radical happens, I don't see that ever being an option - ESPECIALLY in the State of Indiana.

I actually got a "reply" from one of my State Representatives in response to one of the CASAA calls-to-action, but I think it was a "canned" reply. It's disheartening because this makes me feel like nobody really reads *anything*.

So, I stow away supplies (very likely to be in conflict with the soon-to-be-enacted legislation.) I will continue *MY* path. I *NEED* this alternative to smoking - it's the way my system is wired. I'm an addict in my own way. So be it.

If I can be a positive example for others, that's also the way I'm wired. "Treat others the way in which you want to be treated."

 

[mattiem]

Thank you for a great post Dinger. Sadly, yes, there are some very inconsiderate folks out there and they can and most likely will be detrimental to our cause. I just hope there are enough folks like us to help overcome some of their bad manners.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Yowza! I just wandered back here, and I'm kinda glad I missed the fireworks.

I try to be a considerate vaper. IMHO, the frustration and the negativity towards vaping comes from the inconsiderate folks. When I was a smoker, I sure as heck *HATED* when another smoker blew into my face. I would tip my head up and exhale straight up as often as I could (unless of course, so doing would have caused me to fall off my barstool )

The inconsideration was readily apparent a few months ago, when I attended my first Vape Meet. The venue was NOT well-suited for the number of attendees, and because we were queuing through the hallways of the hotel, they'd asked us a NUMBER of times not to vape until we could get into the convention room. SO MANY people COMPLETELY IGNORED this simple request. In fact one "gentleman" blew a HUGE CLOUD right in the Fire Marshal's face. (I believe he was ticketed and escorted off the premises.)

THIS IS WHY WE GET SUCH A BAD RAP. (At least this is how I see it.)

Vaping as provided *ME* an opportunity to enjoy the same sensations as I did with smoking, BUT WITH WHAT I PERCEIVE to be FAR FEWER HARMFUL INGREDIENTS. Yet, I feel like a pariah - I RARELY see "vapers in the wild" (although I did catch a guy hitting his mod in a grocery store the other day, reading the Sunday papers that were laying out for sale. Heh heh heh)

I would LOVE to be able to go out to eat and enjoy a vape with my after-dinner drink. But, unless something radical happens, I don't see that ever being an option - ESPECIALLY in the State of Indiana.

I actually got a "reply" from one of my State Representatives in response to one of the CASAA calls-to-action, but I think it was a "canned" reply. It's disheartening because this makes me feel like nobody really reads *anything*.

So, I stow away supplies (very likely to be in conflict with the soon-to-be-enacted legislation.) I will continue *MY* path. I *NEED* this alternative to smoking - it's the way my system is wired. I'm an addict in my own way. So be it.

If I can be a positive example for others, that's also the way I'm wired. "Treat others the way in which you want to be treated."

Great post! I've only seen one vapor in the wild. A 20 something with a box mod. He took a couple of steps away from the people at the bus top, turned around, pulled out his mod and took a couple of small puffs with his buck turned to everyone. Almost tempted to run up and hug hum. Smiled and nodded instead. There are polite vapors out there, it's just that no one notices them, lol. But I do hear and agree with what you are saying but also think those paid shills have a lot to do with our current situation also.