Ml and grams the same?
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I probably mix new juices in amounts that are too large at 50ml, but it's usually something that everyone likes and the only difference is in the percentage preference. So, I start low and work my way up to what fits my taste buds. I can split it up in small bottles and play with flavor. I'll admit that I haven't become that good at isolating the sweet spot.
I read one of HIC's (Head in Clouds) blogs where he talks about mixing 5ml batches of a new juice at percentages from 1% to 5% (or whatever is above and below suggested sweet spot range) just to test the flavor in different strengths. That's probably a good idea. You get a tank sized sample to vape in each range.
Right now, I'm vaping 7% FA Cowboy that I mixed up on Nov 25 2016. After a month it was still pretty lousy with lots of sweet notes and in your face lousy tobacco flavor. Now, three months in a box in the closet and it's much better.
There's still a little sweet note and tiny traces of a soapy undertone that I need to turn down with some additive tweaking. I'm debating on MTS Vape Wizard or AP or maybe cutting it in half with some unflavored. 7% is pretty high for an FA flavor, anyway.
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"...7% is pretty high for an FA flavor, anyway."
Been several years ago and I think that Cowboy had a different name then (Maxboro?), but I was using it and finding not quite right. I kept adding more and finally realized that wasn't the answer.
Been several years ago and I think that Cowboy had a different name then (Maxboro?), but I was using it and finding not quite right. I kept adding more and finally realized that wasn't the answer.
I never could understand those who make 5ml sample of a new juice. Its so easy to screw it up using such minute amounts especially without a scale. If I do get a new bottle of concentrate, especially the tobaccos it has to pass a smell test first, then a drop on the back of the hand taste test and usually its the smell that disgusts me and I put the cap back on then chalk it up as a loss. If I do make a test then its 20mls at 0 nic, sit for a week or two then a drop on the hand again to taste cause I do believe that a juice should taste the same as it vapes. I have quite a screening process before any juice gets into my atty cause pouring it down the drain is easier than rewicking a atty. Nicotine is a lot more expensive in Canada so I don't waste it willy nilly into every new mix. Pg and Vg are easier and cheaper so tossing 20mls isn't going to break me.
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It doesn't exactly jump out at ya. I think I had been visiting the TFA website for about a year, and had no clue of the list, until another ECF user pointed it out for me. I love this community!
My 7% Cowboy was a little over flavored and I got tired of it after half a tank was gone. I had some 6% FA Seven Leaves left over from a batch a few months ago that was a pale yellow color (strangely enough at that %), so I topped off the tank with that and I'm enjoying the combo of half and half.
FA flavors are generally way more concentrated than most others. I'm learning to start low and work my way up.
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I also don't find meassuring by weight to be any more precise than by volume, and just rather much more convenient, as zoidMan previously stated. Personally, I would go crazy if I wanted to bother with all the individual densities of 100's of flavours, from perusing MSDS's or weighing them myself. Well, of course it's doable, but I just really don't see the point at all, since your recipes will not be any different whatsoever(end-result), as the botboy quote posted by DaveP previously correctly states. I also just use a constant value of 1, though any number will work the same, except the first time trying someones elses recipe found online, but to me is irrelevant as that is to me only a "tester" anyway, to see which needs to be down or upscaled anyway. We're after repeatebility, or atleast I am, which then makes absolute precision unneeded/pointless...
Same with me. Actual values will vary slightly. Even if you calculate the average for 100 juice flavors you'll still come up with something close enough to one gram/ml to work without issues, IMO.
I do my testing in 15ml LDPE needle tip bottles. Anything smaller than that and it's just too touchy for me.
Some do the 100 drop testing where the entire mix is 100 drops broken down into various components of the mix. A milliliter of flavor in my calculator is 20 drops, so that would be 1ml and the entire 100 drops = 5ml. The 100 drop method equates to percentages of a 100% total, so your drop recipe is directly related to a juice recipe in terms of percentage of the whole mix. 5 drops of flavor would be 5%. 3 drops of 100mg/ml nic is 3% of the 100 drop/5ml recipe. My recipe calculator tells me that 63 drops of PG and 29 drops of VG is 70/30 in a 100 drop recipe with 5% flavor and 3% nic.
If you use a dripper atty I could see how that might be convenient to test. Once you get it right you have the percentages of each component that are directly convertible to milliliters in a 5ml mix.
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3% of 100mg/ml is not to be confused with 3% nicotine (30mg/ml) in the final mix. Rather that would equate to 0.3mg/ml...I think.
What was I thinking about? Oh, it's 3% (3 drops) of the total 100 drop recipe or .15ml. I went back and edited it. It would be .164ml total volume in the 100 drop mix according to EjuicMeUp.
Good point, though. Confusion over percentages, total amounts. and mg/ml could lead someone to make a hot nic mix. That said, juice calculators are quite often free and should be used to calculate the mix.
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I'm vaping the Cowboy right now after cutting it 50/50 with unflavored. I'll probably cut it again after I mix up some more unflavored juice. Somewhere between 1% and 2% is where I start with Flavourart these days. This batch was mixed around Thanksgiving with a little too much flavoring. It's actually not bad at 3.5%
The good part is that I'll have four 50ml bottles and it will be a frequent vape! I'm liking the base flavor and might need to add a little AP and possibly a very
light touch of TA.
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If that's the same as the old Maxboro, I recall it as a good flavor, though lacking 'something.' That's probably why I keep upping the flavoring percentage, which obviously wasn't the answer. Maybe the AP and / or TA will do the trick. I haven't used either in a while. I've been mixing combinations of different RY4's...occasionally with some extra cigarette flavor though I can no longer find my Black Fire.
I've seen a number of recipes in Google searches that recommend 1% to 2% along with Caramel and other flavors and usually AP for a nutty taste and MTS vape wizard to smooth it out.
At 3.5% it's a little on the strong side, but 1% - 2% might be right with the additives to shape it.
It could be on my ADV list in the future.
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