How safe is DL vs MTL vaping....
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There haven't been any real long term studies of vaping at all. There is nothing legitimate to compare the difference. Common sense would say that with dl you will inhale more vapor per day (generally, if you vape 2 ml a day either way it doesn't matter) so maybe more isn't as good as less. Outside of that the only other issue is how hot your coil gets when you vape. As there's less airflow with a mtl setup the coils may get hotter than the high airflow dl. The hotter the coil, the more organic breakdown and POSSIBLY more VOC production like formaldehyde. It depends how you set things up, drop in coils vs. RTAS or RDAS.
Personally, I vape a restricted DL and I am not worried of any change in risk.
Personally, I vape a restricted DL and I am not worried of any change in risk.
I agree with above, in that the more chemicals one is inhaling, the more potential for whatever dangers there might be. We dont really know what potential issues there are or will be from vaping, but I'm sure it's not something that's really good for us. If vaping is 95 percent better than smoking, then vaping 10mls per day compared to 2mls, might only be 90 percent better, so it's all probably way better than smoking anyways
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Started as a mtl vaper, moved to dtl a while ago.
Never noticed anything new/strange since then.. Well besides the fact i make more vapor of course.
Never noticed anything new/strange since then.. Well besides the fact i make more vapor of course.
I agree with what the others have said. All I really know is that whatever I am inhaling from my ejuice is a whole lot better for me than what I was inhaling from the 2 1/2 packs of cigarettes every day. It also allowed me to finally quit that nasty habit that has ruled me most of my life. I believe it is all about harm reduction.
i dl and have seen no probs with my lungs, and we all know the effect ciggies have on lungs dont we?
I DL at as low as 7W, and take drags as long as 15 seconds. If you were to hold your hand in front of my face when I exhale, it feels like an air conditioner. When the vapor starts getting warm, I switch setups.
15 seconds! Is that like a record? I think I hit 4 seconds once.
I doubt it's a record. I inhale steadily. I would describe it as "toking", like on a hookah. One reason I've migrated to mechs is I got tired of my mods shutting off 10 seconds into a hit.
Also, I don't really get this thing about MTL vs DL gear. I do the same thing on any equipment, just faster the less resistance there is.
Also, I don't really get this thing about MTL vs DL gear. I do the same thing on any equipment, just faster the less resistance there is.
DL would reduce the contact to walls inside the mouth. Think of it like spray paint in a vaccum cleaner versus a 1 gallon fish bowl. Instead of the paint wofting around inside a cave like the mouth it passes directly to the espophogus.
Now for some, the MTL experience allows nicotine absorption in the walls of the mouth so they do not even inhale vape.
Safer? Not safer? Time will tell. But no carbon monoxide is inhaled either way you vape.
Now for some, the MTL experience allows nicotine absorption in the walls of the mouth so they do not even inhale vape.
Safer? Not safer? Time will tell. But no carbon monoxide is inhaled either way you vape.
I know, it's unintuitive, and depends on the equipment. @mikepetro did some great work evaluating different drop in coils and tanks measuring temperatures during use with a thermocouple inserted into the coil. On a Nautilus coil, a pretty popular mtl coil at the time, the temps after 3-4 puffs exceeded 500 degrees. That was hotter than other coils. The presumption is it's not just about the power applied, but about the airflow to the coil to cool it. MTL coils generally have tight, lower airflow, so the coils can get hotter, even though the wattage may be lower. DL coils may require higher wattage, but the far greater airflow keeps the coil from getting as hot.
Note, I'm talking about the metal coil temp, not the vapor you inhale temp. Obviously the vapor must be way, way cooler or we would be scorching our mouths inhaling a superheated vapor. All the results can be found on Mike's blog on this site, along with other tests of coils under real world conditions.
Im a DL vaper that was originally a mtl vaper.
MTL I vaped at about 9-12w and used about 3.8ml of 12mg a day.
DL I vape at about 11-14w and use about 3.6 of 2mg to 3mg a day.
11w mtl can be quite a bit hotter vape than 11w DL.
DL for me is a far more effective way of getting nicotine than mtl so I dont have to use such high mg juice.
MTL I vaped at about 9-12w and used about 3.8ml of 12mg a day.
DL I vape at about 11-14w and use about 3.6 of 2mg to 3mg a day.
11w mtl can be quite a bit hotter vape than 11w DL.
DL for me is a far more effective way of getting nicotine than mtl so I dont have to use such high mg juice.
There is no evidence that states one action is more harmful than another. Sure, common sense would say the more you inhale, the more potential harm. But that would assume all setups would have the same PPM of so called toxins. Given we are free to setup and use what ever we wish, it is entirely possible that someone who vapes less is actually consuming more aldehydes.
Mass, Specific Heat Capacity, Wick Saturation and Air Flow also contribute to how hot or cool a coil operates. One can not conclude just on wattage alone.
Mass, Specific Heat Capacity, Wick Saturation and Air Flow also contribute to how hot or cool a coil operates. One can not conclude just on wattage alone.
I have no clue nor does anyone REALLY. All I know is I feel a ton better (MTL) so that's good enough for me. Have heard the same from several DL vapers.
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I vape mtl, adept/zlide/.48ohm coil at 15w,only in the morning. The rest of the day I dtl, sometimes as high as 75watts.,it varies. I enjoy both, compared to the 2ppd camels that I smoked, I think I'm better off.
I agree for the most part, as there are dtl vapors doing very low wattages, so the thread question isnt really accurate. If you dtl at 15 watts or mtl at 15 watts and vape the same amount of juice, or close, the way in which you inhale doesnt matter whatsoever....I think the thread question really should simply be, "Is vaping 30 mls potentially more dangerous than vaping 5mls?"
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Again, there is no proven fact that the more juice you consume equates to more harm. You drink 500 ml of tap water per day. I drink 1000 ml of tap water per day. The amount can not be debated, the numbers are fact. But what is unknown is the amount of bacteria and heavy metals (not Metallica) in each of our tap water. Both water supplies could be well below safe limits. But without further analysis one cannot conclude based on a single value that one consumption is safer than the other.
Also, wattage can not be a gauge to factor harm without taking into account the many other variables. Removing all variables, and if using the same metal, what has the higher delta temperature for the same duration. 10 watts into a 30mg coil or 50 watts into a 150mg coil? The answer is both are the same! So again, assuming all else is equal, which becomes more harmful? The reality is all all else is not equal and the variables are unknown - so without further analysis based on individual setups, styles and frequency we can not conclude.
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