E-cigs NOT helping my daughter with ulcerative colitis, don't understand

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patkin

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Just wanted to say that, in my situation, when I have a flare-up I can smoke just 1 cig and the relief is almost immediate. Then I go back to vaping until next time. My UC is probably not nearly as severe though. Hope you find an answer soon.

I'm going to preface this because I don't want it to sound wrong: I'm not one of those anti-smoker ex-smokers/vapers. But reading your post I was thinking about what I would do if I wanted to quit cigarettes altogether. I would find out exactly what is in that cigarette in trying to determine just which ingredient or combinations of them relieves symptoms. I would also research what happens to that/those ingredients once in the body... what they may be converted to after being absorbed. By law, the manufacturer has to tell you what's in them if you ask. They key ingredient(s) may not be one of those FDA-approved chemicals we hear so much about. I could be a flavoring or a natural ingredient like licorice for instance. Which brings up a question: Do all brands of cigarettes give those kind of immediate symptom results? If not that's a clue... some quicker than others... also a clue. Also, I would try just holding the smoke in my mouth instead of inhaling it to see if whatever ingredient is working could be absorbed that way. I guess that would be similar to using snus.

Anyway, I think I said on this thread before (maybe not) that if minimal smoking relieved such serious symptoms in me, I would continue getting the lowest dose that worked. Doctors, before all this PCness started, used to say that under 10 cigs a day was the same as not smoking as far as the affects on the body. Now, of course, since smoking has been pushed into being a "moral issue" instead of just a health one, they quit telling patients that.
 

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I had the same thing happen to me after 7 months of vaping. Nothing the Dr tried seemed to help in the long term. I started smoking again :( 3 or 4 a day and haven't had much issues for over a year. It sucks. The Dr's clueless but there's something else in cigarettes it seems other than nicotine that helps. I've even tried WTA's but always a flare up if I quit completely.

I've been thinking about the WTA's, and I think I'll try some to see if it helps any at all. I've been battling UC for a year now, and getting tired of it. So if that stuff helps at all, it'd be worth it. With mild COPD, I don't want to go back to smoking even 3-5 cigs a day.
 

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I am on 30mg Prednisone once a day, and 3 asacol pills three times a day. I keep trying to work down on the Prednisone 5mg at a time, but it doesn't go well. The doctor said on my next visit, in a couple weeks, he will discuss alternative treatment. Maybe try other medications. My present meds do keep me somewhat functional, but just can't get away from them.
 

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    Sorry to hear that you can't seem to get into remission, Oplholik. Pred is disastrous for me. Talking about that tho, and thinking about WTA, their is a warning about interactions of wta with pred here-
    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html

    Under"increased risk".........

    Hope you feel better soon. I have a c-scopy in a few weeks, not expecting great news colitis wise at this early point, just be glad is there are no cancerous polyps. My c-scopes are a breeze now that I'm using the Su-Prep liquids.
     

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    "It has been suggested that the protective benefit of smoking that some patients report is due to hydrogen cyanide from cigarette smoke reacting with hydrogen sulfide to produce the nontoxic isothiocyanate. Another unrelated study suggested sulphur contained in red meats and alcohol may lead to an increased risk of relapse for patients in remission."

    I found that, hope it helps and best of luck.
     

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    It is established that UC is more likely to be seen in non-smokers than smokers, and that smoking cessation is implicated for some individuals, because UC presents 6 - 18 months later in many more cases of smoking cessation than it would if unconnected. Indeed, if there is a genetic predisposition to UC (it tends to run in families), then perhaps this issue could be considered before cessation.

    It is less certain that smoking after UC presents can help. Some UC patients assert there is a benefit for them; others report no effect. Some say nicotine is the agent, others that nicotine has no effect for them.

    Some research appears to suggest that nicotine is effective for some people; others report it has no benefit for them.

    There has been much discussion about other active agents in tobacco or cigarette smoke; anatabine is an obvious candidate due to its anti-inflammatory properties (since we are talking about an autoimmune disease with inflammatory effects). Tobacco contains several active alkaloids, such as nicotine, nornicotine, anatabine, anabasine, and myosmine. If someone wished to try anatabine for UC mitigation then in theory Snus or WTA ecig refills might provide a source (as long as the brand chosen actually contained the beneficial ingredient, whatever that might be). Some have tried this and reported no beneficial effect (as reported in this thread by one person). Other research (as reported here) mentions other compounds in cigarette smoke as the possible active agents.

    So perhaps an investigatory procedure for mitigation of symptoms of active UC that do not respond to medication in a particular individual might go like this - move to the next step as each one fails:
    - Try nicotine in the form of ecigs
    - Try WTA refills (try each of the two brands available)
    - Try Snus (several brands)
    - Try anatabine. As anatabine for mitigation of autoimmune disease symptoms seems very expensive, perhaps it could be located in other formulations. As has been mentioned it is used in some NRT therapies, A.Cig and Cig.Rx come to mind. Also in rheumatism/arthritis medications.
    - Try smoking 2 cigarettes a day.
    - Try drastic dietary control measures.


    Smoking therapy
    Since UC can easily destroy a person's life, and that person may be young, and since destructive effects from smoking are generally measured in pack-years (i.e. are dose-dependent and onset is more often after decades rather than years), then one approach is low-dose smoking, if all else fails. It can't be recommended, but if a person's life is already ruined by the symptoms of a disease, and further issues can be delayed by 20 years (or never), then perhaps it is an acceptable solution for that person.


    Drastic dietary measures
    I know of a person for whom medical therapies did not work, who found out after decades of suffering from UC that dietary controls were more effective than anything else. On the surface these measures are not relevant, but they did work: cessation of all dairy products, all processed foods, and tapwater (only bottled water is consumed for any/all purposes including cooking). It worked for them, when nothing else of any kind did (excluding the surgery option). Tapwater was eventually shown as the most important factor (and it was conclusively demonstrated, with no possibility of error). But: it is far more difficult to modify a city resident's diet in this way than might be appreciated.


    The surgery option
    If all else fails then surgery will need to be considered. A large intestine removal is required, but modern techniques do not normally require a colostomy in a young person. The small intestine can be connected 'straight through', with a pouch type of procedure at the end (Parke's Pouch etc).

    These procedures do not end the matter as some medicine and food supplements will probably always be needed subsequently (e.g. low-dose sulphasalazine, vitamin K, increased fluid intake); it is also not clear if those with severe secondary symptoms such as involvement of the liver, eyes and joints will benefit.

    Low-dose smoking might be an acceptable solution in some circumstances, though all other options could be tried first; radical dietary change might work for some, though is much more difficult than is appreciated; surgery is the last option but will be required if all else fails - or simply if it is the preferred option. The modern methods, especially for younger people, are certainly a better option than living with severe UC symptoms since a normal life is not possible.

    There is a cancer risk with UC that cannot be ignored, so surgery does have other benefits - other risks are removed. The risk for cancer is supposed to be 'dose dependent' again: the more of the large intestine that is involved, and the longer UC has been present, are thought to be relevant.
     

    james chapman

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    I have Crohns and on the times I have tried to quit smoking,I would have severe attacks. A friend also with Crohns,said her Dr. said that smoking did help the intestine relax,but that smoking would kill her. I have had crohns,since 12,@14 they removed 18 inches of small intestine. I have been off Cigs,for 2 years now. I first started the vape,@24mg,but have reduced to 11mg,I don't see me going lower. Stress is a key factor,at 50 I stay away from things that stress me out,so basically a hermit:(. I wish your daughter wellness. You may want to look into acupuncture,I have had great results and do not go to western Drs.
     

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    I came to realize I used cigarettes to medicate underlying depression & anxiety. After 2 months of vaping, my IBS kicked in with a vengeance. I went back to smoking, went on an antidepressant/anxiety medication (Celexa for me, but your mileage may vary), and after my mood stabilized, went back to vaping with no further problems. I figure it's worth mentioning.
     

    zipflint

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    Hmmm.....so do you think it was something other than the nicotine in the cigarettes that was "helping" with your anxiety/depression? I'm just curious. I've been on ativan and effexor for much longer than I've been vaping. I will admit, I was hoping the low levels of nicotine might help with my mental issues, but it didn't. And anything over 6mg makes me feel dizzy and nauseous. I stick to zero or as low as possible now. And again, I was never a smoker; I like vaping purely for the flavor and the nifty clouds of vapor. And the gadgets.
    :D
     
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