Hey guys, some guy at work went and emailed HR complaining about my vaping at work (found out at the watercooler). It would have been nice if he had an actual backbone to talk to me directly about what the actual smoke is, but now my boss is curious, where as before she was just glad I wasn't smoking analongs anymore and believed me that it was just vapor.Anyway is there anything I can provide to my boss to show it isn't really smoke or anything harmful? Any links would be great.
Boss is asking about my vaping at work
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Here's a pdf file from the ECF library http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pdf/casaa-ecig-trifold-brochure.pdf
Here's the AAPHP White Paper:
http://www.aaphp.org/Resources/Documents/20100402AAPHPEcigLegisStatemnt.pdf
"E-cigarettes deliver the same nicotine found in the pharmaceutical products, with no more contamination by toxic substances than the pharmaceutical products already approved by FDA. Propylene glycol and glycerin are used as carriers of the nicotine. These cause the visible vapor. These substances are generally recognized as safe. They are
commonly used in theatrical fog machines, asthma inhalers and air fresheners. There is no smoke, and no products of combustion. All this creates a situation in which we can confidently state that the risk to others sharing an indoor environment with one or more vapers (E-cigarette users actively using this product) is almost sure to be much less than 1%
the risk posed by environmental tobacco smoke."
Good Luck.
http://www.aaphp.org/Resources/Documents/20100402AAPHPEcigLegisStatemnt.pdf
"E-cigarettes deliver the same nicotine found in the pharmaceutical products, with no more contamination by toxic substances than the pharmaceutical products already approved by FDA. Propylene glycol and glycerin are used as carriers of the nicotine. These cause the visible vapor. These substances are generally recognized as safe. They are
commonly used in theatrical fog machines, asthma inhalers and air fresheners. There is no smoke, and no products of combustion. All this creates a situation in which we can confidently state that the risk to others sharing an indoor environment with one or more vapers (E-cigarette users actively using this product) is almost sure to be much less than 1%
the risk posed by environmental tobacco smoke."
Good Luck.
Thanks guys, I read the white paper article and everything looked good except
"This having been said, we cannot rule out the
possibility that some individuals who may be extremely sensitive to indoor air irritants or to miniscule concentrations of
nicotine in indoor air might be adversely affected by E-cigarette (or pharmaceutical nicotine vaporizer) vapor."
She might say I have to go outside now. Man that guy has got me so irritated.
"This having been said, we cannot rule out the
possibility that some individuals who may be extremely sensitive to indoor air irritants or to miniscule concentrations of
nicotine in indoor air might be adversely affected by E-cigarette (or pharmaceutical nicotine vaporizer) vapor."
She might say I have to go outside now. Man that guy has got me so irritated.
Thanks for the information in this thread. I've bookmarked them and will send it to my boss, who has banned vaping except for designated smoking areas.
Yeah the problem is that very few studies have been done on vaping. I'll betcha if you contact CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association they would have some pertinent documentation for you. While you're there you might want to join CASAA.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
Here's one more quote from the Chair of the Tobacco Control Task Force of the American Association of Public Health Physicians (AAPHP, link given above by Vapoor eyes er), and this one is in bold type in the online document:
"AAPHP favors a permissive approach to E-cigarettes because the possibility exists to save the lives of four million of
the eight million current adult American smokers who will otherwise die of a tobacco-related illness over the next
twenty years."
I do vape in my office, although it is mine alone and not shared with anyone else. All my co-workers know that I do this, and no one has objected. I should also mention that all my co-workers are public health professionals: physicians, epidemiologists, biostatisticians. They all think it's great I'm giving up real cigarettes, and have been very interested in any information I have on vaping. I don't know much about it since I am not one of the degreed professionals and had other work to do so I did not sit in on the meetings (although I was welcome to had I so chosen), but they recently submitted a proposal to NIH on a smoking prevention/cessation project. I think it says something that these people do not object to my vaping and are actually quite pleased I've switched.
"AAPHP favors a permissive approach to E-cigarettes because the possibility exists to save the lives of four million of
the eight million current adult American smokers who will otherwise die of a tobacco-related illness over the next
twenty years."
I do vape in my office, although it is mine alone and not shared with anyone else. All my co-workers know that I do this, and no one has objected. I should also mention that all my co-workers are public health professionals: physicians, epidemiologists, biostatisticians. They all think it's great I'm giving up real cigarettes, and have been very interested in any information I have on vaping. I don't know much about it since I am not one of the degreed professionals and had other work to do so I did not sit in on the meetings (although I was welcome to had I so chosen), but they recently submitted a proposal to NIH on a smoking prevention/cessation project. I think it says something that these people do not object to my vaping and are actually quite pleased I've switched.
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I need a vacation (not bakersfield per se) maybe Oxnard. Any way get me this jokers bio and I'll tune him up for ya. I hate weasels. The ladies room is an option but could cause problems if they tell ya to do it outside only. Learn the stealth vapin' skills. Hold the vapor till its gone before you exhale. Sorry I couldn't help ya more.
You might point out that people who are extremely sensitive to indoor air irritants are also adversely affected by co-workers who wear aftershave or cologne or hairspray. They are adversely affected by carpet glue, vinyl furniture and dust. These individuals are usually found in sealed plastic bubbles with air-locks.
That white-paper also pointed out that pharmaceutical nicotine inhalers have been used in non-smoking areas for years. The exhaled breath of someone using an inhaler likely contains just as much nicotine as the vapor from an e-cig. The studies I've seen estimate the nicotine in exhaled vapor to be something like 0.1% by weight. That's 1/1000 of the weight of vapor. How much does vapor weigh anyway? Also, someone would have to inhale all of that vapor. You'd have to have someone in a lip-lock while you exhaled for them to get as much nicotine as is in 1/100th of an eggplant. We are talking truly minute quantities here.
Hi! I've also subscribed to this thread 
and am reading the papers other posters have told you about. Thanks posters!
Pleas let us know how this works out. Thanks!
Oh, and Good Luck!!
and am reading the papers other posters have told you about. Thanks posters!Pleas let us know how this works out. Thanks!
Oh, and Good Luck!!
Once I conveyed the information about ecig safety and the fact that your exhaled vapor has been tested to contain less than 2% of what you inhaled, I'd bring up the fact that if he's good with you stealth vaping while you work, you will be a more productive employee. You won't be sneaking out to take outside smoking breaks anymore except when its your actual break time.
There's no downside to vaping if your boss is a reasonable person. Educate him.
There's no downside to vaping if your boss is a reasonable person. Educate him.
sailorman,
Add paint to your list. Years ago I worked for a company which decided to redecorate the offices. When they started painting one poor woman swelled up like you wouldn't believe from the paint fumes! She ended up leaving on work-related disability and never recovered enough to come back. I realize this was a quite rare occurence, but then so is nicotine sensitivity sufficient to suffer from what little is released into the air from vaporizers.
BTW, I love the little line that appears at the bottom of all your posts! That's just priceless!
Add paint to your list. Years ago I worked for a company which decided to redecorate the offices. When they started painting one poor woman swelled up like you wouldn't believe from the paint fumes! She ended up leaving on work-related disability and never recovered enough to come back. I realize this was a quite rare occurence, but then so is nicotine sensitivity sufficient to suffer from what little is released into the air from vaporizers.
BTW, I love the little line that appears at the bottom of all your posts! That's just priceless!
My tactics come too late for you, but maybe other new vapors can use them as well. I thougt to myself that offense is the best defense. So I used a normal conversation with my boss to inform her about vaping instead of smoking. As my boss herself is a strictly non-smoking person, I told her all the advantages of the e-cigarette. I showed her the pv and I gave her a lesson in how it works. The best of it all: I vaped in front of her eyes, inside her office. She has been very fascinated about the odorless clouds of vape and as I told her about the improvement of my health constitution, I had her on my side. I even told her, that the mode of operation of the nicotine is different. With that electronic cigarette the nicotine dose gets transportet by the mucous membrans which works very slowly. Therefor I´m not able to satisfy my nicotine-hunger with a 5-minute-vaping-break. But as vaping doesn´t cause a bad smell and doesn´t harm other people nereby, it´s no problem at all. She understood that and now I am allowed to vape always I´m visitiong her in her office. My collegues recognized that and nobody feels free to revolt against the boss... ;-) But I also had these type of conversation with all the collegues of my team at the time, i startet vaping. As they know about how it works, they dont feel disturbed at all. Only compromise was, that I offered them the possibility, to tell me, if the vape of a certain eJuice has a bad flavour. Then I will avoid to vape it at work. I think that this is pretty fair. Btw: one of my collegues startet vaping as well after he recognized how good I feel. Finally I can say, that my environment also did a development (mentally) and today I´m known as vaping Tom. Even not smokers allow me to vape at their homes, as they learned which is my motivation to vape instead of smoking tobacco. Everything is fine!
Yes, it's an uphill battle you face. Perhaps an impossible one. The sad fact is that the burden of proof is yours.
You and I used to smoke. Now we've chosen an alternative that owes its success to looking, feeling like smoking, so much so that we're still considered among the lepers that can't be touched, lest the toucher suffer our same affliction.
Consequently, they don't have to prove they're in any way damaged; They only need protest. You have to prove they can't possibly be.
This won't do it—and your boss may not want to invest the time to read it—but among studies done on the effects of vaping, this is the best of the lot. It was conducted by Dr. Mike Siegal, an anti-smoking crusader with crudentials second to none: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
I actually did the same thing with my boss when I first started vaping and showed her the e cig, vaped it in front of her and she laughed and was glad I wasn't smoking anymore. This guy went over her head to the head of HR though.I sent her the links, but this is a big company so any possible freak accident may have to be considered a possible liability. Will keep you guys informed.
PoliticallyIncorrect,
I work in public health. Support person, though, not one of the degreed people. As such, I'm very accustomed to using PubMed. I went there looking for the article you linked to. I didn't find that one (although it might have been farther down the list), but I did find another by the same author at least as interesting. This one is titled, "Electronic cigarettes as a smoking-cessation tool: results from an online survey" and was published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine in April 2011. This is a prestigious, peer-reviewed scientific journal. I'm not going to quote it as I don't want to violate any copyrights, but definitely read the results section and compare what these authors conclude to the statistics given in the AAPHP statement also from April 2011.
I work in public health. Support person, though, not one of the degreed people. As such, I'm very accustomed to using PubMed. I went there looking for the article you linked to. I didn't find that one (although it might have been farther down the list), but I did find another by the same author at least as interesting. This one is titled, "Electronic cigarettes as a smoking-cessation tool: results from an online survey" and was published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine in April 2011. This is a prestigious, peer-reviewed scientific journal. I'm not going to quote it as I don't want to violate any copyrights, but definitely read the results section and compare what these authors conclude to the statistics given in the AAPHP statement also from April 2011.
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No response yet or stop doing it in the office. I sent my boss all the provided links. Will keep the subscribers up to date when I get the official word.
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