attempt one stapled staggered fused clapton

[IXIShogunR1]

so after watching coil vids and wanting to try some more advanced builds, i ordered a bunch of wire and did my first attempt tonight

she's not perfect but works amazing

 

[PeteyPete]

Looks good. What gauges and types of wire did you build with?

 

[IXIShogunR1]

Looks good. What gauges and types of wire did you build with?

26ga nichrome 80 (inner wire clapton)
36ga nichrome 80 (outer wire clapton)
.5mmx.1mm kanthal ribbon (in between 2 clapons)

 

[Tom Forde]

The ribbon wire is hard to stack and work with in the middle of 2 staggered claptons. I'm just starting to build staple coils, my first attempt was a 6ply staple, it came out pretty well, but stacking the ribbon takes some patience. Good work! Practice makes perfect

 

[IXIShogunR1]

The ribbon wire is hard to stack and work with in the middle of 2 staggered claptons. I'm just starting to build staple coils, my first attempt was a 6ply staple, it came out pretty well, but stacking the ribbon takes some patience. Good work! Practice makes perfect

yeah that part was a super pain to do, the one i did is 5 ribbons stacked and they did not want to stack that well
the lighting in my room is terrible too, so that didn't help any, im going to try and make another this weekend in a different room to see if that lighting helps

 

[Tom Forde]

The way I stacked my ribbon for a staple was by cutting the wire double length, so if you want 6 inches of a finished product, I'd use 12 inches and fold it over and on top of itself in a spinning fishing jig, put the jig into a vice, and then pinch it down tight at the top with pliers. I can't find the video that showed me what to use, but the jig allows you to have your wires spin freely without worrying about having them overlap or unstack

 

[IXIShogunR1]

The way I stacked my ribbon for a staple was by cutting the wire double length, so if you want 6 inches of a finished product, I'd use 12 inches and fold it over and on top of itself in a spinning fishing jig, put the jig into a vice, and then pinch it down tight at the top with pliers. I can't find the video that showed me what to use, but the jig allows you to have your wires spin freely without worrying about having them overlap or unstack

i just used some tape to try and hold it together.... it was annoying, when i attempt it again this weekend ill probably look into some other methods
like you said practice makes perfect

 

[Tom Forde]

Those are the types of jigs or clips I was talking about using to allow the wire to spin freely with the drill. You can see on the small red one all of the left over ribbon wire I clipped off where I looped the wires through. Put the other end in a vice or something that will allow it to stay put and the bottom half of it to spin freely and it'll help when making any type of fused claptons.

 

[IXIShogunR1]

View attachment 465195 Those are the types of jigs or clips I was talking about using to allow the wire to spin freely with the drill. You can see on the small red one all of the left over ribbon wire I clipped off where I looped the wires through. Put the other end in a vice or something that will allow it to stay put and the bottom half of it to spin freely and it'll help when making any type of fused claptons.

now that i see what your talking about, it makes more sense
i might have to look into that, still gonna try to make a better one tomorrow when i have more time and better lighting
the first one i made still works awesome even with the small mess ups
this is fast becoming my fav current coil

 

[sonicbomb]

Looks great. How does nichrome 80 compare to kanthal in terms of resistance?

 

[Tom Forde]

Looks great. How does nichrome 80 compare to kanthal in terms of resistance?

N80's resistance is lower than A1 while having a quicker ramp up time.

For 24g I believe the resistance of A1 is 2.04ohms/ft while N80 is 1.64ohms/foot.
26g A1 is 3.21 ohms/ft and 26g N80 is 2.657ohms/ft.
There's also N60, which is a different series of nichrome.
I prefer N80 because it's a softer wire than kanthal and is easier to manipulate for me.

 

[IXIShogunR1]

Looks great. How does nichrome 80 compare to kanthal in terms of resistance?

What Tom said.... It's a lower resistance
even with the kanthal in the middle... That one coil is .18

 

[Tom Forde]

What Tom said.... It's a lower resistance
even with the kanthal in the middle... That one coil is .18

I would try out a staggered fused Clapton before adding the ribbon staple to it. Maybe another SF Clapton in the middle, just to get the hang of rewrapping the claptons together.

 

[IXIShogunR1]

I would try out a staggered fused Clapton before adding the ribbon staple to it. Maybe another SF Clapton in the middle, just to get the hang of rewrapping the claptons together.

that part wasnt that hard compared to the rest, the wire just kind of falls in place
making the staggered claptons was probably the more annoying part

 

[Tom Forde]

that part wasnt that hard compared to the rest, the wire just kind of falls in place
making the staggered claptons was probably the more annoying part

Haha yeah it is pretty annoying to make the staggered claptons and remove one of the wraps. "Framing" anything inside of two wires, whether they're claptons or twisted wires isn't really easy.
For practice on the framing the core wires inside I would suggest working with twisted 26 or 28g on the outsides, and seeing what you could fit inside properly. Instead of claptons on the outside, try one clockwise twisted and on the other side, counter clockwise twisted wires. It'll make a zipper pattern and will line up.

Here's a concept wire I did a while back before the whole staple staggered fused became popular, it has a clockwise Clapton on one side and a piece of counter clockwise twisted 26 on the other. It had a 20g core, but i removed it and pressed in the Clapton over it in the middle to prevent movement.

 

[IXIShogunR1]

Haha yeah it is pretty annoying to make the staggered claptons and remove one of the wraps. "Framing" anything inside of two wires, whether they're claptons or twisted wires isn't really easy.
For practice on the framing the core wires inside I would suggest working with twisted 26 or 28g on the outsides, and seeing what you could fit inside properly. Instead of claptons on the outside, try one clockwise twisted and on the other side, counter clockwise twisted wires. It'll make a zipper pattern and will line up.View attachment 465869
Here's a concept wire I did a while back before the whole staple staggered fused became popular, it has a clockwise Clapton on one side and a piece of counter clockwise twisted 26 on the other. It had a 20g core, but i removed it and pressed in the Clapton over it in the middle to prevent movement.
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im actually looking at doing a helix build that is pretty much what you described with the twisted wire instead of claptons, only difference is the you dont use different twist

i did do another stapled fused clapton for practice, and that one didn't come out as good LOL. its still useable and i haven't coiled it yet. ill probably make one more and then try the helix thing

need to look into some nickel builds next, i have a temp control device on the way now

 

[Tom Forde]

I don't have any TC mods, but I do know nickel has a very low resistance and can be temperamental to work with. Which mod do you have coming in?

 

[IXIShogunR1]

I don't have any TC mods, but I do know nickel has a very low resistance and can be temperamental to work with. Which mod do you have coming in?

the new IPV3 LI
its either nickel or try some TI

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

for the stapled staggered fused clapton i take 8" of 26g nichrome & 2 lengths of 32g nichrome(each 36" long) straighten all the wire's seperatly by spinning in the drill,
then i wrap my two lengths of 32g onto the 26g in parallel, then use a ruler to pull one of the two strands from the 26g as in the pic..

the loose end poking through the hole in the ruler gets pulled with pliers and takes seconds to strip & before the very last of the 32g comes off the 26g i give it some tension by stopping the claptoned wire spinning with my finger to straighten it out so i can use it for joining the two halves of 26g back together.


cut 5x 4" of ribbon and stack them in your fingers as best you can then spit on them lol this will help stick them together but best to keep the saliva towards the middle of the ribbons so you can tape one end of the ribbons together.
then i grab my two clapton pieces and put them either side of the ribbon's & start to wrap it all up together by hand starting at the end without tape, it doesnt take long to wrap up such short pieces.
instead of wrapping from the end towards the middle i will come in about 10-15mm and twist towards the closer end and once done i will spin the wires around and finish off wrapping towards the furthest end.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

while we're at it..


heres a helix i did

and a claptoned clap