Any other non-smokers to e-cig users?
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I believe this is the single reason I am as addicted to coffee as I am. I was medicated from age 5 until 14 with Ritalin. then something else went in my body (we will not mention) and discovered coffee shortly thereafter. I still use coffee and other than a bit of shaky hands (which is common of any stimulant regardless of WHY you're using it), it keeps me stable lol. i believe I am addicted to nicotine for the same reason. and i feel much less like a zombie than I did when I was on ritalin or later adderall, for a short while as an adult.
I'm pretty divided about it.
On the one hand, I think that if you aren't a smoker, and you aren't already addicted to nicotine, that there isn't any good reason to start vaping. While vaping is clearly healthier and cheaper than smoking cigs/cigars, just breathing clean air is bound to be healthier and cheaper than vaping.
On the other hand, that same argument applies to cigs, and obviously, a lot of people (including myself) started smoking at some point. And the vast majority (including myself) regretted it at some point.
Assuming you are an adult, make your own choice, and I'm not going to complain about it. But if a non smoking friend asked my advice about starting to vape, I'd advise against it unless they had some exceptional circumstance.
I would think that of the 2, vaping is the lesser of the 2 evils, so why not? Would you advise somebody against drinking kool-aid or tea because water is healthier? If somebody comes to me with a question about it, I'm not just going to tell them "you don't smoke, so don't try it", because they're just going to go somewhere else. Then they may end up going to cigarettes as they're easier to acquire and there are so few of us who could have educated that person into the right way to go about it. That's your personal choice though, do with it what you will.
My wife tried my ego after I got some "atomic fireball", and she promptly appropriated my ego, went and got her own juice with 0nic because she likes the flavor.
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To the OP -
To me you are not a non-smoker, you are an ex-smoker, you said you used to smoke?
Even if it was just for a little while, and not a major addiction...you still previously smoked..so I don't really consider you a non-smoker to a vaper.
As for non-smokers choosing to vape, I am not going to shut them out. I think its for the most part silly if u don't have a nicotine/tobacco addiction or an oral addiction or some kind of good reason to start using nic because why give yourself an addiction when u don't need to? Even at 0mg, if u don't have an oral addiction u r now probably going to have one if u start e cigs. I guess to me it depends on the reason. It being cool or fun shouldn't be your reason lol. I am talking generally.
To me you are not a non-smoker, you are an ex-smoker, you said you used to smoke?
Even if it was just for a little while, and not a major addiction...you still previously smoked..so I don't really consider you a non-smoker to a vaper.
As for non-smokers choosing to vape, I am not going to shut them out. I think its for the most part silly if u don't have a nicotine/tobacco addiction or an oral addiction or some kind of good reason to start using nic because why give yourself an addiction when u don't need to? Even at 0mg, if u don't have an oral addiction u r now probably going to have one if u start e cigs. I guess to me it depends on the reason. It being cool or fun shouldn't be your reason lol. I am talking generally.
It is my belief that plain old nicotine is substantially less addictive than nicotine combined with the cocktail of other drugs in tobacco. There is some evidence to back that up.
Furthermore, nicotine DOES have a lot of beneficial effects in affecting things like depression, anxiety and ADD. Too often researchers get the chicken and egg mixed up and declare that smoking causes ADD or depression, when really it is the other way around. For example, cigarette use among teens who were started on Ritalin (or similar controlled amphetamine drugs) before they were old enough to start smoking is substantially less than among untreated teens.
Perhaps I am not the only one who has noticed the skyrocketing use of anti-depressants AND how that use of anti-depressants has corresponded to a decrease in smoking?
Obviously, smoking IS harmful. At least, first-hand smoking is harmful and substantially so. However, I am inclined to believe a great deal of the hue and cry about second-hand smoke is based on deliberately faulty science. All smoke has a capacity to do harm, of course. But I have not been convinced that second hand smoke is any more dangerous than incense or working in a kitchen that contains a grill.
A lot of this hue and cry, in my opinion, is an attempt to demonize smokers so they will meekly accept rates of taxation far in excess of the actual costs they incur. It's so easy to tax an addict because elasticity of demand for addictive substances is so high. Quite frankly, I believe the social costs of TV viewing are far greater. (see TV Is Child Abuse for examples.)
Without regard to any of the above, I support the right of a mature adult (that is, someone who is over 21 and not incarcerated) to make his or her own choices about the use of LEGAL substances.
Coffee has health benefits and health detriments. It raises the risks of some cancers while lowering the risks of others. But if you want to use it, that choice should be yours and not mine. Nobody gets high on coffee and then robs up a bank or mugs little old ladies for the spare change to buy a cup.
Same goes for nicotine. Nobody takes a drag on a cigarette and then wraps her car around a tree.
And -- if you choose to use nicotine in a fashion that is SUBSTANTIALLY less health-damaging than sucking in the smoke from burning leaves; it is up to YOU to determine what is in your best interests because you are in the best position to know.
Furthermore, nicotine DOES have a lot of beneficial effects in affecting things like depression, anxiety and ADD. Too often researchers get the chicken and egg mixed up and declare that smoking causes ADD or depression, when really it is the other way around. For example, cigarette use among teens who were started on Ritalin (or similar controlled amphetamine drugs) before they were old enough to start smoking is substantially less than among untreated teens.
Perhaps I am not the only one who has noticed the skyrocketing use of anti-depressants AND how that use of anti-depressants has corresponded to a decrease in smoking?
Obviously, smoking IS harmful. At least, first-hand smoking is harmful and substantially so. However, I am inclined to believe a great deal of the hue and cry about second-hand smoke is based on deliberately faulty science. All smoke has a capacity to do harm, of course. But I have not been convinced that second hand smoke is any more dangerous than incense or working in a kitchen that contains a grill.
A lot of this hue and cry, in my opinion, is an attempt to demonize smokers so they will meekly accept rates of taxation far in excess of the actual costs they incur. It's so easy to tax an addict because elasticity of demand for addictive substances is so high. Quite frankly, I believe the social costs of TV viewing are far greater. (see TV Is Child Abuse for examples.)
Without regard to any of the above, I support the right of a mature adult (that is, someone who is over 21 and not incarcerated) to make his or her own choices about the use of LEGAL substances.
Coffee has health benefits and health detriments. It raises the risks of some cancers while lowering the risks of others. But if you want to use it, that choice should be yours and not mine. Nobody gets high on coffee and then robs up a bank or mugs little old ladies for the spare change to buy a cup.
Same goes for nicotine. Nobody takes a drag on a cigarette and then wraps her car around a tree.
And -- if you choose to use nicotine in a fashion that is SUBSTANTIALLY less health-damaging than sucking in the smoke from burning leaves; it is up to YOU to determine what is in your best interests because you are in the best position to know.
My only concern is that at some point it may be harder to get ecigs and supplies, and then you may turn to smoking to get your fix.
It is an addiction, and while it may have some beneficial effects, (and surely there are worse addictions.), I'd never advocate putting a monkey on your back deliberately.
It is an addiction, and while it may have some beneficial effects, (and surely there are worse addictions.), I'd never advocate putting a monkey on your back deliberately.
Welcome to ECF! I'm not typically a fan of non smokers vaping, but it seems to me this is a viable choice for you. If the nic helps your conditions and makes life a bit easier for you then who can say stop? Good luck and don't pick up real cigs or we will hunt you down 
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JK WelcomeI think the key point to all of this is, you have tried smoking, and it worked for you to cut the edge off the stress. I would say that if this is something you'd really like to try, who are we to tell you no? You could be turning to much worse things to take away the stress like drugs (OTC or otherwise) or alcohol. If you're looking for SOMETHING to take away the stress, vaping may be the answer. Since you're not really a smoker now, you probably won't run into a lot of the issues we smokers had in trying to find out what level of nicotine matched our body's addiction. You could probably start out at 6 or 12 mg of nic which is half of what a lot of us use, and that would be fine for you. Most of all us started smoking at some point in our lives for one reason or another. But I don't think you'll find a single person here who, if we could turn back time and vaping was available when we started, would say we would have rather picked up a pack of cigs instead of a PV.
I smoked for 20 years and got off them with nicotine gum and Valerian tea. I was nicotine free for 3 years...and gained about 80 pounds.
Then I picked the smokes back up for a few months and got off them with chantix--bloody miserable drug. I can see how unstable people ax murder their family on it.
I was nicotine free when I decided to start vaping. I researched it extensively. I talked to my wife about it. I decided I was happier with a bit of nicotine than without it. I'm still convinced I made the right decision.
I've been vaping for a month and I've lost 15lbs.
Then I picked the smokes back up for a few months and got off them with chantix--bloody miserable drug. I can see how unstable people ax murder their family on it.
I was nicotine free when I decided to start vaping. I researched it extensively. I talked to my wife about it. I decided I was happier with a bit of nicotine than without it. I'm still convinced I made the right decision.
I've been vaping for a month and I've lost 15lbs.
Actually that played very little part in your ban, your actions spoke for themselves. I will not argue the point with you on the forum, nor in PMs. I will only state this very clearly: Any further complaining about your ban will result in a more lasting ban here.
i smoke on and off and vape on and off not really lookin to quit smoking just need somethin to handle my ""problems" ie stress
if i were a non-smoker to start with, i will not choose analogs or pv (if it existed back then when i picked up smoking).
why start when you're not addicted to nicotine at all in the first place.
why start when you're not addicted to nicotine at all in the first place.
Non-smoker here. I got a cheap one to see what it was like. Although I only used it for one cartridge and don't have any desire to use it again. I don't even drink coffee or anything like that. I used to drink tea on occasion though.
The topic of mental health has come up here. I am severly bipolar, caused me to be homeless much of the time, spent much of my life in and out of mental hospitals. Through a lot of work and considerable amount of medication I am pretty stable now at 44 and a full time university student. I have quit smoking for long stretchs of time and always start again because it is the only thing that helps with the anziety without putting me to sleep. I'm glad I found PV's because I don't want to dig my grave any faster than necessary although I'm sure all these psych meds will have their toll on me eventually. I'd be willing to bet a little nicotine won't even compare to the effects of the prescribed meds.
Why is there any question in this thread? If the OP wants to meet others who are experiencing/deciding the same things, why should we even get a vote in what the decision is? I don't get it.
If you want to, do it. If you don't, don't. but don't smoke. LOL
If you want to, do it. If you don't, don't. but don't smoke. LOL
As a non-smoker who took up vaping, I thank you for your objective comments. If you want to know why I vape, confer with my posting: "I am a non-smoker vaper"
Amen! I love the juice! (I'm a non-smoker but will be buying 0mg nic juice)
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