A Mod can satisfy both freebase nic & Salt-Nic

[Samuel LAW]

Hi all, for a long while not back... these days I am working a project, that can satisfy both freebase nic & salt-nic. the device can auto-recognise the pod insides and regulate proper
output, for salt-nic, it will output low power, but when it detect the pod is a sub-ohm one, will output high power. how do you think the idea?

 

[bombastinator]

Might work well might not. The problem is suggestedvaping wattage for coil cartridges have never been very accurate

 

[Samuel LAW]

design two cartridges, one is 0.2, another one is 0.8 or 1.0, when the device detect the 0.8 pod, it supply 10W, but user can finetune between 6~20W, when it detect the 0.2 pod, it supply 25W as default, but user can finetune 6~50W. this is the general idea. by the way, the 0.8 pod will user ceramic wire in order to make sure the best flavor of the salt-nic

 

[Coyote628]

Personally, i think too much is being made about salt vs freebase nic. There really isnt that much difference. Ive used both, cant tell which is which if i didnt know beforehand. Salt nic has one advantage, and that is its ability to be used in higher concentration without any undue harshness you would get if you used freebase nic in these concentrations. Thats it. No other advantage i can see. There are reports of salt nic being more bioavailable but i havent read any official info on this. It may well be true. I use salts in my diy and i mix at 6mg per ml with the thinking that the bioavalibility factor might be a real thing, but honestly, i cant tell much difference.

 

[score69]

I've read info as well about nic salts being more bioavailable, but I don't think this is really the case.

Freebase substances cross the blood brain barrier more quickly than an ionized salt form. So one would think freebase nic would 'hit' more quickly.

I think it's kind of played off that it's stronger/faster because you can vape higher concentrations with lower throat hit. So folks are vaping more nicotine, thus a stronger effect.

For a given concentration of freebase vs salt, I would be willing to bet the freebase acts more quickly.

 

[Coyote628]

I've read info as well about nic salts being more bioavailable, but I don't think this is really the case.

Freebase substances cross the blood brain barrier more quickly than an ionized salt form. So one would think freebase nic would 'hit' more quickly.

I think it's kind of played off that it's stronger/faster because you can vape higher concentrations with lower throat hit. So folks are vaping more nicotine, thus a stronger effect.

For a given concentration of freebase vs salt, I would be willing to bet the freebase acts more quickly.

I agree, but this would take blood-nicotine level tests to verify, and even then the results would still be subjective i think. I might feel nicotine differently than you do, no matter what the blood-nic results show.

 

[stols001]

I think the nic salt thing is a bit overblown as well, and as far as vaping both in one device, it may not MATTER much, unless you want to vape the nicsalts at a vastly higher percentage (you don't HAVE to by the way) nic salts can be vaped at any level.

I have been diy nic salts at 18 mg/ml for a while. I got them because my throat was torn up there for a while.

I will also note, I guess coil resistance may play a role, but honestly if you have a fixed wattage setup I don't know HOW much of a role there may be.

I also don't really get the auto detect thing, I mean you will be filling the device with WHATEVER nic, so you'll already KNOW what you have in there and can make adjustments on your own where like, you know what coil and wattage and etc.

I guess the only thing I could see being useful is some franken device that had two separate tanks on it and you can switch between each tank. Although, you'd still be SWITCHING so I'm not entirely clear on the need/viability of an auto detect device, although by all means have at it if it's something you want and etc.

Anna

 

[score69]

Why do you think folks smoke crack (freebase coke) as compared to ....... hcl (a salt)?

It hits the CNS much faster. Freebases are more fat soluable and cross the blood brain barrier very quickly.

No reason why this wouldn't hold true with nicotine freebase vs salts.

 

[Coyote628]

Why do you think folks smoke crack (freebase coke) as compared to ....... hcl (a salt)?

It hits the CNS much faster. Freebases are more fat soluable and cross the blood brain barrier very quickly.

No reason why this wouldn't hold true with nicotine freebase vs salts.

Good point. That may well be the reason nic salt can be used in such higher concentrations. And if this is the case, it blows the increased bioavalibility factor out the window, doesnt it? As far as the OP's idea of a device that auto-detects nic level and salt vs fb, i dont think it would be very useful personally.

 

[Zaryk]

I agree with coyote628, the only thing salt nic offers as an advantage is it is less harsh at very high nic strengths. If using freebase and nic salts at the same level, say 6mg/ml, you are not going to tell a difference.

I do see the use for salt nic in low power devices like pod systems, to maximize the nic level comfortably so that you use less battery power to get th fix one would need. But seeing things coming out like tanks, coils, and RDAs claiming "designed for salt nic" is just a marketing ploy, and making consumers feel they need to buy something new because of this new bullet point they can add to the back of the box.

 

[score69]

Yeah, the thing I find interesting about salts, is that most of these places don't state what nicotine 'salts' they have in their product. I think many of them treat them as a 'secret formula'.

Some have no throat hit (to me), some are advertised as having throat hit, blah, blah. I'm guessing this will change with the salt form they are using. So all salts are definitely not created equal. I think you have to find something you like and stick with it.

The only salts I've ever used were 100mg I bought from Nicotine River and LNW. I got mine before Nicotine River started advertising/selling both smooth and throat hit salts. So my salts from NR and LNW pretty much have NO throat hit to me when I mix them up to about 4.5mg for DL use. Even at 6mg, the throat hit is negligible compared to 3mg freebase.

To me, salts (smooth) are most useful to blend with freebase when I make a higher than usual nic level and don't want the full throat hit. I'll use a 50/50 blend of freebase and smooth salts, and it's pretty nice.

If I were going to get 'hit' salts, then I would just go ahead and use freebase myself.

My daily vape is freebase nic. I keep salts on hand because they should store longer than freebase (less oxidation) and they are nice to me as a blend with freebase.

 

[BillW50]

Well the difference to me, is nic salt will burn my nostrils slightly on exhale while freebase doesn't.

On an odd note, VapeJoose claims all of their juices contains nic salt. Yet no burning nose and higher throat hit when I vape one of their juices. So something just doesn't seem right to me there.

 

[score69]

But seeing things coming out like tanks, coils, and RDAs claiming "designed for salt nic" is just a marketing ploy, and making consumers feel they need to buy something new because of this new bullet point they can add to the back of the box.

Couldn't agree more. You can use salts/freebase in any device. Just depends on your build, nic concentration, etc.

That said, I preordered the VV Simple EX 'salt' squonker, lol. I have no intention on using it for salts though. I'll be using good old freebase at a higher level, probably at 1.2ohm and above builds. Really interested to pull out my 30g Kanthal and wrap some old school coils, lol.

Does kind of bug me they market stuff like that. But to the folks who don't understand a device can be used for both, it might steer them to it. VV is obviously trying to capture some of the 'salt/pod' market that seems to be so big. I just think it's going to be a cool little squonk device.

 

[Coyote628]

My first batch of salt i got from nicotine river was 48mg/ml. There wasnt 2 different types then...ive ordered another batch from eliquid.com and though they ship nicotine river labelled products, i really dont know anything about the nic til i get it. Should be here today or tomorrow, i hope.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Why do you think folks smoke crack (freebase coke) as compared to ....... hcl (a salt)?

It hits the CNS much faster. Freebases are more fat soluable and cross the blood brain barrier very quickly.

No reason why this wouldn't hold true with nicotine freebase vs salts.

You are correct but there is a noticeable difference between crack and nicotine (I think )...

Who really cares that much? Who is so time pressured that they need there nicotine fix instantaneously. Never the case with smoking...
Im not sure if this is true but if you’re so thrifty and tight that you can be bothered to work out a difference in price then perhaps you should prioritise and give up vaping and smoking.

I agree with others. Couldn’t spot a difference

 

[score69]

Well the difference to me, is nic salt will burn my nostrils slightly on exhale while freebase doesn't.

On an odd note, VapeJoose claims all of their juices contains nic salt. Yet no burning nose and higher throat hit when I vape one of their juices. So something just doesn't seem right to me there.

Yeah, this depends on the specific salt formulation used. Some are smooth (practically ZERO throat hit), some are formulated to have throat hit.

Don't let a specific brand turn you off from salts if you find an advantage to them. Like I said, I've never bought premade salt juices, just DIY with 'smooth' salts. Can barely tell there's anything in the juice other than VG.

 

[Zaryk]

Couldn't agree more. You can use salts/freebase in any device. Just depends on your build, nic concentration, etc.

That said, I preordered the VV Simple EX 'salt' squonker, lol. I have no intention on using it for salts though. I'll be using good old freebase at a higher level, probably at 1.2ohm and above builds. Really interested to pull out my 30g Kanthal and wrap some old school coils, lol.

Does kind of bug me they market stuff like that. But to the folks who don't understand a device can be used for both, it might steer them to it. VV is obviously trying to capture some of the 'salt/pod' market that seems to be so big. I just think it's going to be a cool little squonk device.

I plan to buy that device too, after my wallet recovers from some recent unexpected expenses. I have been waiting for a pod sized device that caters to the rebuildable side of vaping. It is a nice bonus that it also is a squonker. I have no plans of using salt based nic in it either. It just bugs me that they market it that way.

 

[Coyote628]

So, in conclusion, salt nic is by and large a marketing ploy. Until some truly new and useful vaping innovation comes along, i think we have reached a pinnacle.

 

[Zutankhamun]

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[Coyote628]

Hi all, for a long while not back... these days I am working a project, that can satisfy both freebase nic & salt-nic. the device can auto-recognise the pod insides and regulate proper
output, for salt-nic, it will output low power, but when it detect the pod is a sub-ohm one, will output high power. how do you think the idea?

Honestly, and you did ask, i dont think its a good idea. I appreciate the "inventor" side in you but i think this idea doesnt have any real useful application. Sorry, but thats what i think.