A Mod can satisfy both freebase nic & Salt-Nic

[BillW50]

It works the same for everybody Scott. I'm still human like everyone else. One could MTL subohm, even at 0.07Ω if they like. Not much difference between MTL at 2Ω to be honest. And nobody is going to vape high nic, either freebase or salt while DL. You have to be super human to do that and having huge amounts of nicotine in your system and it doesn't phase you one bit.

 

[Zaryk]

 

[ScottP]

It works the same for everybody Scott. I'm still human like everyone else. One could MTL subohm, even at 0.07Ω if they like. Not much difference between MTL at 2Ω to be honest. And nobody is going to vape high nic, either freebase or salt while DL. You have to be super human to do that and having huge amounts of nicotine in your system and it doesn't phase you one bit.

I will refer you to the last paragraph of my previous post.

 

[BillW50]

Damn it Zaryk! Quit slandering people. That isn't right at all. Scott doesn't understand vaping and how it works and I am trying to educate him. You playing games and it isn't going to help anybody.

 

[BillW50]

Here is MTL vaping SS316L at 0.25Ω. 50 watts is the setting to quickly warm up the coil, but it isn't needed as it will get to temperature in a few seconds without it.

Notice that the wattage is at 10.75 (10.81) watts MTL with a 0.25Ω coil. That disagrees with your statement:

Low resistance requires higher wattage to reach proper temps and higher resistance requires less.

 

[BillW50]

Here is a 0.07Ω coil holding 430°F at 3.74 watts. So what is this stuff saying "Low resistance requires higher wattage to reach proper temps and higher resistance requires less"?

 

[Coyote628]

OK let me take a stab at explaining all of this.

In order to have complete understanding we must first remember a bit of vaping history. In the early days of ecigs most people started with cig-a-likes, cartos, clearos, and such that were all high ohm (1.8-2.4 ohm range) and tight airflow and thus required lower wattages to reach proper vaping temp range. Even people that used early RDA's and mech mods used higher ohm builds. Back then most juices were sold starting at 24mg/ml or 18mg/ml although you could get lower. This was FREEBASE nic, and yet people were vaping it just fine at high resistance and low wattages. These early devices did not produce tons of vapor so these higher concentrations were needed.

Then some people with RDAs and mechs realized they could produce more vapor and thus more flavor by using lower resistances (and more airflow) and a game of "How low can you go" started. However all this extra vapor also meant more nic and TH (throat hit) so 24mg juice in these setups could be quite harsh. Thus, people started using lower nic concentrations (mostly in the 3mg-6mg range). Soon even tanks with drop in coils had moved to sub ohm as well and the new juice standards were in the new lower ranges (although higher ranges are still available, just not as common). So people were now vaping the same freebase nic at low resistance and high wattages just using lower nic concentrations.

However, some people needed more nic than 6mg/ml but with modern devices the TH was too harsh for many, if they went too much above that. Enter nic salts. Salts allows users to go quite a bit higher in nic concentration without adding a lot of TH. That is it's purpose, to allow the use of higher nic concentrations without adding TH in whatever device you are using. You can vape salts at high or low concentrations, high or low resistance, and high or low wattages, on any device with any coil and any wick.

Summary

• Wattage has NOTHING to do with nic type or concentration. It is a function of the resistance of the coil(s) you are using and the temperature you are trying to reach to properly vaporize the liquid without getting too hot.
  
• Low resistance requires higher wattage to reach proper temps and higher resistance requires less.
  
• You can vape either freebase or salts at 0.1 ohm with high wattage or 2.4 ohm and low wattage.
• Wick has NOTHING to do with nic type. You can vape either nic type at any concentration with cotton, rayon, silica, or any other known wick material.
• You do NOT need a special tank, a special coil, or a special wick to vape salts.
• The choice to use salt or not usually comes in if a person needs a higher concentration of nic but doesn't want the added TH an increase of freebase nic would add.
  
• You don't even have to choose between nic types. Right now, as I type this I am vaping a DIY Bubblegum juice that has 6mg nic, half from freebase and half from salts. I made this for my wife who has trouble with TH above 3mg of freebase making her cough but needs more than 3mg nic to stay off cigarettes. I use a mix of the two to keep just a little TH but not too much.
• JUUL and other such systems use salts because they use really high concentrations of nic (50mg/ml) and if they used freebase at those levels the TH would be unbearable for all but a few people.

I hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.

Kudos bro! You did an excellent job explaining this.

 

[englishmick]

Thanks Anna, as for the high nic, I do believe there is special wick, which should be high ohm, and it is better with ceramic rather than cotton. this is based on my test. I think the ceramic can make the e-liquid penetrate evenly. this is why most of the small pen-style pod do. however, most of them in the market, the power was supplied by the battery directly, like Mech Mod, the cons of the device is the power not stable, make the flavor inconsistent.

Is this true, that pods take power directly from the battery like mechs? I never tried a pod so I don't know, but this would surprise me.

 

[Zaryk]

Is this true, that pods take power directly from the battery like mechs? I never tried a pod so I don't know, but this would surprise me.

A pod works like an unregulated mod with protections. Same basic idea as a mech but with safety features in place, just like the recurve squonk mod or the original pico squeeze.

 

[stols001]

I'm just gonna say what I always say about nic salts. Most "claims" of a special nic salt device are bogus. Now, Aspire's newest AIO has a "nic salt" coil and it was stated to only use it with nic salts, not regular juice (same resistance as the regular 1.8 nautilus coil.)

I immediately asked WHY and was told there were 2 airholes instead of the regular four. Now, I guess that would cut down on vapor production, but that doesn't mean it would blow up or anything using the same PG/VG ratio as the nic salt juice. It's just a more restricted coil because SOME nicsalt premade juices are well, high nic and high PG. While it may be "designed" for salts, I guess the only explanation for it being "used" for nicsalts is that most folks aren't going to have their freebase HIGH enough in nic to enjoy that restricted a coil.

99.9% of the marketing is useless. If you want high nic salts and pods, that is completely fine, and probably useful in situations where you can't vape as often or need to stealth vape. The warnings not to use in lower resistance or just generally HIGHER VAPE PRODUCING in whatever fashion be it wattage, airflow, resistance or a combination of ALL THREE make sense, I wouldn't vape 50 mg/ml in a 0.15 resistance coil at 100 watts, or at least if I did so, I would probably not vape it for long.

I could vape 6 mg/ml in a device above if I even NEEDED to, since at those levels nic tends to not be as harsh anyway.

You can vape nic salts, at the right strength for your device, period. Even if you don't need them you just want to try them. But that is the KEY, because otherwise, if you are using crazy high nic salts in a (I am just going to call it) more POWERFUL device, that may not go so well for you.

It's kind of like high octane gasoline. You may WANT it for whatever reason, (i.e. higher altitudes or whatnot) you may DESIRE it to make your pod mod (oh, lets say, Lamborghini) to improve its capabilities (a lot of nic at once) but putting it in your elderly Toyota say (lets call this a Smok tank) but if you're doing that, you need to do it at the right percentage and also probably have some rationale for doing it, and you probably need less.

My car analogy is breaking down (they always do) but I think hopefully the picture is clear.

By the way, aspire was the only company where an answer to the "puzzling" nic salt coil was even given, and I still maintain you might not LOVE that coil with lower nic freebase or whatever, but I am also going to BET that using it would NOT cause the vape to enter a self destruct sequence, either.

Anna

 

[Doffy]

I tried the high nic-salt on a cloudy mod, it was terrible, this is why I am thinking a device can softly vape also high salt-mic, the wick ohm is the trick, so as when the device detect it is a high ohm wick, the device will auto lower down the wattage to around 10W, so users can avoid such bad experience. but when the device detect a sub-ohm wick, it will switch to 25W or a little bit higher. all of the setups will be automatically shift by the device, users won't to take care of this, I think this could be helpful for beginners.

1. mechanical mods
2. fixed voltage or direct voltage protected [bomber pro etc]
3. old school VV, before VW was around

your watts will adjust with all 3, much the way you want

 

[BillW50]

Is this true, that pods take power directly from the battery like mechs? I never tried a pod so I don't know, but this would surprise me.

Some do and some don't.

• Some regulate at a fixed voltage output and that is all. The Vladdin uses 3.4v and I believe MyBlu uses 3.5v. Boulder Rock also uses a fixed voltage. Minifit does too I think.
• Breeze 2 puts out battery voltage. There are a number of others like this too.
• Lost Vape Orion Pod has selectable power modes and includes Replay.