Sorry folks this is not good news and I feel very sorry for the people of Utah who are vaporers. 
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Utah Legislature: Ban on e-cigarettes (to minors etc) passes House, Senate
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Good for you. I stand behind you. Screw the Utah legislature. They seem like totally ignorant .......
That is crazy. Gosh i could real lose my mind about right now and i dont even live in Utah
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The reason they are doing all of these things is about the money. tobacco companies give so much money to these groups to get what they want. If they think something like e-cigs are any threat to them, they will spend any amount of money to make sure they don't sell. A child can die eating cigarettes, much less, the draino undo the sink!
Despite the rather misleading and less than stellar news piece you linked to, GypsyGirl, the legislation actually does not ban ecigs in Utah - but rather only sales to and possesion by minors. (Although it does also outright ban them in jails and mental health facilities too ).
Utah Legislature HB0088
).Utah Legislature HB0088
Correct. It's not an outright ban in the state of Utah.Despite the rather misleading and less than stellar news piece you linked to, GypsyGirl, the legislation actually does not ban ecigs in Utah - but rather only sales to and possesion by minors. (Although it does also outright ban them in jails and mental health facilities too
Utah Legislature HB0088
Well I was going off the ariticle. It seems the article was poorly written and did not mention that it only banned the selling of e-cigs to minors. I am fine with that. So forgive me for being so hard on the ....... Woops..did it again...can't help it considering how bad most state reps and senators are.
Despite the rather misleading and less than stellar news piece you linked to, GypsyGirl, the legislation actually does not ban ecigs in Utah - but rather only sales to and possesion by minors. (Although it does also outright ban them in jails and mental health facilities too
Utah Legislature HB0088
You can't have these things in jails, 'cause the scroats will stab one another or officers with them. Among other strange uses they will come up with.
"...prohibits an electronic cigarette in a correctional or a mental health facility." Well that's just wonderful.
Somebody forgot to let the Utah legislature know that smoking among mental patients is so much higher because nicotine helps to keep the symptoms of intractable depression under control without adding dangerous additiona medications such as Abilify, and that nicotine helps to ward off some of the nasty side-effects of anti-psychotic medications.
Oh well, guess the patients can always go back to smoking tobacco cigarettes. *sigh*
Somebody forgot to let the Utah legislature know that smoking among mental patients is so much higher because nicotine helps to keep the symptoms of intractable depression under control without adding dangerous additiona medications such as Abilify, and that nicotine helps to ward off some of the nasty side-effects of anti-psychotic medications.
Oh well, guess the patients can always go back to smoking tobacco cigarettes. *sigh*
It's even worse Elaine - the prohibition in jails and mental health facilities extends to ALL tobacco products.
Just read the bill and the amendments. CASAA got a response from them that told them that they were amending the bill prior to the vote. Basically, in a nutshell:
7 LONG TITLE
8 General Description:
9 This bill amends provisions of the Uniform Driver License Act, provisions relating to
10 the state system of public education, the Utah Criminal Code, and the Utah Code of
11 Criminal Procedure to place restrictions on the provision, obtaining, and possession of
12 an electronic cigarette and to enforce those restrictions.
13 Highlighted Provisions:
14 This bill:
15 . defines terms;
16 . makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly acquire, use, display, or transfer a
17 false or altered driver license certificate or identification card to procure an
18 electronic cigarette;
19 . provides that the State Board of Education may, and local boards of education and
20 governing boards of charter schools shall, adopt rules that prohibit the illicit use,
21 possession, or distribution of an electronic cigarette;
22 . prohibits an electronic cigarette in a correctional or a mental health facility and
23 provides criminal penalties for violation of this prohibition;
24 . makes it a misdemeanor to provide an electronic cigarette to a person under 19
25 years of age;
26 . makes it a class C misdemeanor for an 18 year old person to buy, attempt to buy,
27 accept, or possess an electronic cigarette;
Basically amended to prohibit sales and possession to minors, using a fake ID to get one, keeping the e-cig out of schools, etc. There is a lot to read, but that's the basic gist of it. I've always supported this, and so do all distributors. It's not an outright "ban" of the product, just not to be sold to minors. I think we can all agree with this one.
However
Yeah, THIS part was just screwed up.
7 LONG TITLE
8 General Description:
9 This bill amends provisions of the Uniform Driver License Act, provisions relating to
10 the state system of public education, the Utah Criminal Code, and the Utah Code of
11 Criminal Procedure to place restrictions on the provision, obtaining, and possession of
12 an electronic cigarette and to enforce those restrictions.
13 Highlighted Provisions:
14 This bill:
15 . defines terms;
16 . makes it a class A misdemeanor to knowingly acquire, use, display, or transfer a
17 false or altered driver license certificate or identification card to procure an
18 electronic cigarette;
19 . provides that the State Board of Education may, and local boards of education and
20 governing boards of charter schools shall, adopt rules that prohibit the illicit use,
21 possession, or distribution of an electronic cigarette;
22 . prohibits an electronic cigarette in a correctional or a mental health facility and
23 provides criminal penalties for violation of this prohibition;
24 . makes it a misdemeanor to provide an electronic cigarette to a person under 19
25 years of age;
26 . makes it a class C misdemeanor for an 18 year old person to buy, attempt to buy,
27 accept, or possess an electronic cigarette;
Basically amended to prohibit sales and possession to minors, using a fake ID to get one, keeping the e-cig out of schools, etc. There is a lot to read, but that's the basic gist of it. I've always supported this, and so do all distributors. It's not an outright "ban" of the product, just not to be sold to minors. I think we can all agree with this one.
However
Yeah, THIS part was just screwed up.
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Seriously though what a shame people that have no clue about nicotine benefits have the power to keep it away from the people it helps the most.
Seriously though what a shame people that have no clue about nicotine benefits have the power to keep it away from the people it helps the most.
That would include the incarcerated who are a) under a lot of stress and b) prone to irritability which may have contributed to their getting into trouble in the first place.
Can't see how it is an advantage to the prison administration to have a population that is prone to violence in the first place made more stressed out and irritable.
Can't see how it is an advantage to the prison administration to have a population that is prone to violence in the first place made more stressed out and irritable.
I'm a psychotherapist and for a moment thought that ecigs might solve a problem that's really troubling in every inpatient psych unit. As it actually plays out, terribly anxious and depressed persons are immediately deprived of their smokes cold-turkey, except insofar as they're allowed to go outside and smoke - and that generally becomes part of a behavioral (control) program.
It's very cruel and stupid. "If you don't calm down, you can't go outside and have your smoke this afternoon at 3..."
They do hand out patches. We all know how helpful THAT is...
It's very cruel and stupid. "If you don't calm down, you can't go outside and have your smoke this afternoon at 3..."
They do hand out patches. We all know how helpful THAT is...
Apart from the mental health implications, this seems like a fair bill. Anyone who winds up in jail for any extended period of time is going to be over the worst of withdrawals soon enough anyway. Cigarette trades/use as currency in prisons lead to all sorts of interesting situations and problems, and I don't think anyone here wants ecigs to be sold to minors. I'll just try not to get arrested in Utah, which should be easy enough unless you're gay. Then you're pretty much screwed living in Utah.
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