Nicotine vs. meds

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olix00

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I have anxiety problems, OCD, and migraines since I was a kid. I've been vaping for some months now ( 0 nic. up until now ).
The idea is that i've tried some meds that would help me with my medical problems, but they all seem to have serious side effects, so I take nothing now (with kinda huge drawbacks).
My question is, should I try some nicotine to see if it helps me (could it ?) (as i've seen it alone that it has minor side effects), or should I continue trying a bunch of other meds, one at a time?
I intend starting with 2mg/ml (or even 1 ) and see if it would help me. If not, is it that addictive that I won't get rid of it if I want for the rest of my life, or it almost non-addictive ?
 
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If your medical professionals cannot solve your problems satisfactorily then you may want to do some research into the therapeutic benefits of nicotine. And also the addiction issues. All the research I've done suggests that nicotine is not addictive when delivered outside of tobacco (i.e. vaping or NRTs). And there is little or no evidence of addiction among the now millions of never smoking vapers, many of whom presumably include nic in their vape. If it is a problem it would be due to very long term use, far longer than it would take you to figure out if the benefits are worth any risk you might perceive there. And any "addiction" might not be any worse than people get from caffeine.

Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's

New Study Shows that Nicotine Is Safe and Even Beneficial - ChurnMag

A great thread here on ECF...

Vaping for nicotine advantages?

Nicotine Propaganda

That will get you started on some research in order to come to your own decision. It is unlikely your medical professionals will recommend nicotine since it does not have that stamp of approval from Big Pharma/FDA/AMA/etc. So you are on your own.
 

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Well, then the addiction on nicotine isn't instantaneous ( at the first use ) ? I don't wanna seem childish, but i've weighed all my alternatives and I'm not very keen on trying yet another "wonder pill"...I've been to several physicians, they're the ones that prescribed me the meds I tried up until now. One of them (based on my med-related-history) just told me to try caffeine :)), which was almost helpful.
I know it's not medication-intended, but I wanted to know if anybody had any experiences with it, and understand the concers ( and get the advice :D, thanks for all of it, much appreciated !! )
 
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Well, then the addiction on nicotine isn't instantaneous ( at the first use ) ? I don't wanna seem childish, but i've weighed all my alternatives and I'm not very keen on trying yet another "wonder pill"...I've been to several physicians, they're the ones that prescribed me the meds I tried up until now. One of them (based on my med-related-history) just told me to try caffeine :)), which was almost helpful.
I know it's not medication-intended, but I wanted to know if anybody had any experiences with it, and understand the concers ( and get the advice :D, thanks for all of it, much appreciated !! )

ETA: to answer your direct question, no, it is highly unlikely you would get "instantaneously addicted" to nic by vaping....

I'm going to outline what I have learned about nic addiction from vaping...

A number of studies have been done, similar to the one I linked to, where never-smokers were given NRTs such as patches or gum, in order to study potential therapeutic effects on Alzheimer's and other neurological disorders. Hundreds of patients, given daily doses similar to smoking or vaping, for 3-9 months. NOT ONE of those study participants reported withdrawal or asked to have their nic supply replenished after the end of the testing.

The FDA even changed labeling of NRTs after they very begrudgingly admitted there was little or no chance of addiction outside of tobacco use (contrary to what they are now claiming in the deeming, BTW)

There is a "theory" that vaping, like cigs, results in a faster uptake of nic than with traditional NRTs. IOW, that vaping is different than NRTs. I think the FDA used that theory to explain why they are calling vape nic an addictive substance (that from my own reading of the deeming). They claim studies bear that out but I have not seen them and did not wind my way through the deeming footnotes to find it. I have not seen any of those studies. I call total BS on that, but I'm not your doctor. I'm just some anonymous guy on the internet.

I call BS because, as I said before, in the real world, with now millions of young never smoker vapers out there, presumably many using nic, I can find no reports of addiction issues. Not even the ANTZ liars have tried to conjure that one up. And I am sure if there is one kid out there who thinks he is addicted then he would be plastered all over the cable news and internet as the poster child for vape addiction and why we need to ban vaping to save the chillren.....

You need to do your own research, but I think you will have great difficulty finding any credible science suggesting vaping nic is addicting, particularly over the short term (say one year or less, and certainly for a month or two to do some experiments in the interests of science).

Also be careful - only a never smoker can give you an opinion on nic addiction based on personal experience. Most of us here are smokers so we are "tainted". Nic use by never smokers is a totally different beast than nic dependency by long term smokers. If you want personal testimonials, you need to find never smoker vapers, and they are fairly hard to come by here because they are not always well received (something I do not agree with but it is what it is)

To be politically correct here so I don't get my .... reamed, I'm not advising you as to what you are thinking about doing. I am telling you what *I* have learned about (the absence of) nic addiction by vaping never smokers. You asked the question and I think you should get as comprehensive an answer as possible.
 

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ETA: to answer your direct question, no, it is highly unlikely you would get "instantaneously addicted" to nic by vaping....

I'm going to outline what I have learned about nic addiction from vaping...

A number of studies have been done, similar to the one I linked to, where never-smokers were given NRTs such as patches or gum, in order to study potential therapeutic effects on Alzheimer's and other neurological disorders. Hundreds of patients, given daily doses similar to smoking or vaping, for 3-9 months. NOT ONE of those study participants reported withdrawal or asked to have their nic supply replenished after the end of the testing.

The FDA even changed labeling of NRTs after they very begrudgingly admitted there was little or no chance of addiction outside of tobacco use (contrary to what they are now claiming in the deeming, BTW)

There is a "theory" that vaping, like cigs, results in a faster uptake of nic than with traditional NRTs. IOW, that vaping is different than NRTs. I think the FDA used that theory to explain why they are calling vape nic an addictive substance (that from my own reading of the deeming). They claim studies bear that out but I have not seen them and did not wind my way through the deeming footnotes to find it. I have not seen any of those studies. I call total BS on that, but I'm not your doctor. I'm just some anonymous guy on the internet.

I call BS because, as I said before, in the real world, with now millions of young never smoker vapers out there, presumably many using nic, I can find no reports of addiction issues. Not even the ANTZ liars have tried to conjure that one up. And I am sure if there is one kid out there who thinks he is addicted then he would be plastered all over the cable news and internet as the poster child for vape addiction and why we need to ban vaping to save the chillren.....

You need to do your own research, but I think you will have great difficulty finding any credible science suggesting vaping nic is addicting, particularly over the short term (say one year or less, and certainly for a month or two to do some experiments in the interests of science).

Also be careful - only a never smoker can give you an opinion on nic addiction based on personal experience. Most of us here are smokers so we are "tainted". Nic use by never smokers is a totally different beast than nic dependency by long term smokers. If you want personal testimonials, you need to find never smoker vapers, and they are fairly hard to come by here because they are not always well received (something I do not agree with but it is what it is)

To be politically correct here so I don't get my .... reamed, I'm not advising you as to what you are thinking about doing. I am telling you what *I* have learned about (the absence of) nic addiction by vaping never smokers. You asked the question and I think you should get as comprehensive an answer as possible.
Thank you v much about all the info. I'll do all the research and ultimately decide, and if so, hope nic helps better than all previous meds.. I'll keep you all informed about it, Thanks again !
 
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I suffered from migraines for years, every 2 weeks or so. I also had a 2 pad habit. I can assure you nicotine won't do squat for a migraine.
Do you have an "Aura" or panadmon before onset? If so, get a specialist. Most compounds are strong vascular constrictors that abort the migraine by doing the same thing. Sounds kooky but works.
There is no reason to suffer & don't self medicate, once the headache starts you will only make it worse. God bless..
 

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I suffered from migraines for years, every 2 weeks or so. I also had a 2 pad habit. I can assure you nicotine won't do squat for a migraine.
Do you have an "Aura" or panadmon before onset? If so, get a specialist. Most compounds are strong vascular constrictors that abort the migraine by doing the same thing. Sounds kooky but works.
There is no reason to suffer & don't self medicate, once the headache starts you will only make it worse. God bless..
Well, sometimes I get migraines that start with scintillating scotomas, and sometimes I get very irritable (about anything) before having a migraine. It gets very anoying, for me and anyone around....
 

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It is best to consult and continue working with your doctor for better answers to help you with your medical problems. Your doctor knows all of your medical history and can best monitor your reactions to any given treatment, no one on this forum is qualified to give you medical advise, it could do you more harm than good.
 

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I replied to this thread yesterday (in London) on 4G mobile. My post obviously never made it. :confused:

I smoked (early days) in the effort of relieving stress. It kind of worked, but it also seemed to severely aggravate my tendencies to get migraines. Since then (nearly 30 years ago) I have found numerous cases of young(er) people finding smoking more or less guaranteed migraine attacks. But, they still smoked (already addicted) and years later (having now escaped these 'surprising' attacks) realise they were blind to the obvious; that smoking (or nicotine) itself was the culprit.

I know a 20 year old (A Padawan vaping learner, now surpassing my meager mastery) who has come up with the same theory. Smoking was giving him migraines. He now vapes (low strength), doesn't get migraines and feels better in the expected ways.

It seem to me that vaping 1 or 2mg is as pointless as walking into a coffee shop and expecting to get a caffeine buzz. You either have to vape it very powerfully or be deliberately trying to reduce your nicotine level.

Anyway, all this talk is rather irrelevant. You are not a smoker, therefore vaping is probably more risky than breathing fresh air. For that reason, you should tread with care and with the help of a health professional rather than a guessing-game with vaping.

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