I saved an abandoned cat that I might keep or put up for adoption. I almost always put my rda down with it's single air hole facing upward but sometimes juice gets on the carpet etc. I only vape like 10mg but that might be much more than like 100mg to a 15lb cat, and cats are always licking their fur.
I tried searching but found nothing. Does anyone know of a solution or chemical or something that can actually neutralize nicotine? I know I can soak it up from a carpet or upholstery but I'm afraid some will remain.
How much does it actually take to get a small cat/dog sick and possibly die?
Nicotine poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wiki says the lower limit is only 1mg per kg (kg =2.2 lbs) in children (less than a cigarette's worth if eaten and all is absorbed) and about twice that for adults. A milliliter is about 20 drops from a dropper tube. If the e liquid is 20mg/ml, then each drop has 1mg of nicotine. If a cat's 15lbs, it would only need about 7 drops to get them sick and possibly die if they have the same toxicity ratio as a child according to this.
But Wiki then says "The LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE] (median lethal dose) of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans, and 0.1 mg/kg for children.[10][15] However the widely used human LD50 estimate of 0.5–1.0 mg/kg was questioned in a 2013 review, in light of several documented cases of humans surviving much higher doses; the 2013 review suggests that the lower limit causing fatal outcomes is 500–1000 mg of ingested nicotine, corresponding to 6.5–13 mg/kg orally.[16] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as Caffeine, which has an LD50 of 127 mg/kg when administered to mice"
It says mice and especially rats have a much higher tolerance to nicotine than humans, so cats and dogs could be anything (what is the point again of testing on animals if it doesn't even pertain to human physiology)? Note that the LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE] (median lethal dose) for humans is said to be estimated at only .5-1 mg/kg for adults. If a person is 150lbs (68 kg), and if you use the median of .75mg/kg (.5-1 mg/kg) then they would need to ingest .75 mg for each kg of their full 68kb body = roughly 51mg. So if the e juice is 20mg per ml, then it would only take 3 ml (a full protank of 20mg juice) ingested to potentially kill a 150lb person. Also note that nicotine is possibly absorbed through the skin as easily. I can imagine someone falling asleep with a dropper bottle in their pocket, having it leak and then sleeping in it as it absorbs.
But then it says those results are likely innacurate and that instead of .5-1 mg/kg for adults, it's more like 6.5-13 which is approx drinking a 10 full protanks or a 30ml bottle of 20mg/ml. Either way, I would treat it as the stronger claim even though some cloud chasers can probably vape 3ml in 5 hits in 3 minutes although supposedly most of it isn't absorbed vaping.
VS smoking, it's not the actual vaping that most of us know isn't worse like the bans are trying to impose, but nicotine base is scary stuff, I wouldn't mind paying a few dollars for them to make it that only diluted 36mg was the max available, I'd be fine with 15mg max but I know some vape 36mg. I keep my nic base locked away and draw skull and cross bones and warnings on them. This is the problem I see with e juice, is that anyone can buy a jug of 100mg, or spill 24mg on an airplane seat or hotel bed where a baby might sit next.
Sure, a small dose of certain household cleaners/products can be as fatal if not more, but some people treat nic base with less care, use it much more often, get it on clothes etc, and creates more curiosity for young children to mess around with vs household cleaners. This and the flavoring, especially a high % of flavoring in the mix, they will probably test the dirtiest flavors they can find with a high % in the mix to build a case against all of vaping while some vapers use very little flavor, PG-free, and low nic. I can imagine like a drunk party of kids like 'take a shot of this! I vaped a whole 30ml the other day and I was fine, so it's safe".
I tried searching but found nothing. Does anyone know of a solution or chemical or something that can actually neutralize nicotine? I know I can soak it up from a carpet or upholstery but I'm afraid some will remain.
How much does it actually take to get a small cat/dog sick and possibly die?
Nicotine poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wiki says the lower limit is only 1mg per kg (kg =2.2 lbs) in children (less than a cigarette's worth if eaten and all is absorbed) and about twice that for adults. A milliliter is about 20 drops from a dropper tube. If the e liquid is 20mg/ml, then each drop has 1mg of nicotine. If a cat's 15lbs, it would only need about 7 drops to get them sick and possibly die if they have the same toxicity ratio as a child according to this.
But Wiki then says "The LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE] (median lethal dose) of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans, and 0.1 mg/kg for children.[10][15] However the widely used human LD50 estimate of 0.5–1.0 mg/kg was questioned in a 2013 review, in light of several documented cases of humans surviving much higher doses; the 2013 review suggests that the lower limit causing fatal outcomes is 500–1000 mg of ingested nicotine, corresponding to 6.5–13 mg/kg orally.[16] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as Caffeine, which has an LD50 of 127 mg/kg when administered to mice"
It says mice and especially rats have a much higher tolerance to nicotine than humans, so cats and dogs could be anything (what is the point again of testing on animals if it doesn't even pertain to human physiology)? Note that the LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE] (median lethal dose) for humans is said to be estimated at only .5-1 mg/kg for adults. If a person is 150lbs (68 kg), and if you use the median of .75mg/kg (.5-1 mg/kg) then they would need to ingest .75 mg for each kg of their full 68kb body = roughly 51mg. So if the e juice is 20mg per ml, then it would only take 3 ml (a full protank of 20mg juice) ingested to potentially kill a 150lb person. Also note that nicotine is possibly absorbed through the skin as easily. I can imagine someone falling asleep with a dropper bottle in their pocket, having it leak and then sleeping in it as it absorbs.
But then it says those results are likely innacurate and that instead of .5-1 mg/kg for adults, it's more like 6.5-13 which is approx drinking a 10 full protanks or a 30ml bottle of 20mg/ml. Either way, I would treat it as the stronger claim even though some cloud chasers can probably vape 3ml in 5 hits in 3 minutes although supposedly most of it isn't absorbed vaping.
VS smoking, it's not the actual vaping that most of us know isn't worse like the bans are trying to impose, but nicotine base is scary stuff, I wouldn't mind paying a few dollars for them to make it that only diluted 36mg was the max available, I'd be fine with 15mg max but I know some vape 36mg. I keep my nic base locked away and draw skull and cross bones and warnings on them. This is the problem I see with e juice, is that anyone can buy a jug of 100mg, or spill 24mg on an airplane seat or hotel bed where a baby might sit next.
Sure, a small dose of certain household cleaners/products can be as fatal if not more, but some people treat nic base with less care, use it much more often, get it on clothes etc, and creates more curiosity for young children to mess around with vs household cleaners. This and the flavoring, especially a high % of flavoring in the mix, they will probably test the dirtiest flavors they can find with a high % in the mix to build a case against all of vaping while some vapers use very little flavor, PG-free, and low nic. I can imagine like a drunk party of kids like 'take a shot of this! I vaped a whole 30ml the other day and I was fine, so it's safe".
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