Eissenberg study

[crazyfl3x]

Just one error that can be found is there was no control group.

That alone excludes it from being a reliable test in my book...as it should from anybody's.

Not only does it exclude it as a reliable test, but it confirms that at least one thing was done incorrectly. If there is that, I'm sure there are others.

 

[splunge2112]

good point jace. but it isnt about our health, its about money. its always about money. if they want to say its wrong and unhealthy and tax the hell out of it, they will. you cant fight city hall

 

[5cardstud]

I think he needs to get a different e-cig. if he's not getting nic. He needs a chuck or some other device. Also he better have them take bigger puffs.

 

[5cardstud]

That should be a plus for ecigs. They can't say they're harmful to anyone cause you don't get nicotine but you still get fooled into quitting smoking. So we need to use his study to our benifit.

 

[jace]

good point jace. but it isnt about our health, its about money. its always about money. if they want to say its wrong and unhealthy and tax the hell out of it, they will. you cant fight city hall

But this study just PROVED that they aren't unhealthy! I can apparently get more nicotine standing on the other side of the window from a full smoking section!!!! YAY!

I mean, they're SCIENTISTS after all, right? Scientists CAN'T lie!!!

 

[beast775]

funny cyberwolf,any metal cylinders and batterys illegal!what a joke all of this.8-o

 

[Katattack]

Testing group too small, no control group, variables user ability, no info on exactly how long after inhaling the nic levels were taken. This is poo poo science..no not even a elementary school kid would be allowed to turn this in for their science project (meaning not the subject...but how it was conducted).

 

[crazyfl3x]

This is poo poo science..no not even a elementary school kid would be allowed to turn this in for their science project

Haha, couldn't have said it better myself

 

[h8isgr8]

Next headline.....

"Though new study proves e-cigs practically nicotine free; product stills contains anti-freeze ingredient."

 

[Cicatrize]

I'm not sure what this study was actually comprised of, but they must have done it wrong or are falsifying their findings. You can't tell me my PV doesn't deliver nicotine when I take my first vape late in the day and sometimes get that light headed feeling from nicotine rush. That definitely can't be attributed to a placebo effect because it's something that I don't even expect to happen from a PV.

 

[HexKrak]

Careful about assuming placebo effects are out of proportion. Recent studies have shown that placebos are more and more becoming more effective than the real drug in clinical studies.

That said I know we've had some people around here who've achieved minor nic poisoning after long vaping sessions. I myself had some symptoms after a night of testing cart mods. That wasn't a placebo effect because I wasn't even yet aware of what the symptoms were.

 

[Mister]

Well, if there is SO little nicotine delivery, why not just leave all us vapers alone, to happily vape away, knowing that it's even LESS haermful, since we aren't getting all the nicotine we thought we were?

That should be a plus for ecigs. They can't say they're harmful to anyone cause you don't get nicotine but you still get fooled into quitting smoking. So we need to use his study to our benifit.

This study may just be the first part of a trap.

First "prove" that e-cigs don't deliver nicotine to users. Then argue that since nicotine is both dangerous (e.g. the other study which just came out regarding third hand smoke) and unnecessary in e-cigs, there is no reason to allow it in e-liquid and ban it.

 

[piomode]

Was this testing done at the University of East Anglia?

 

[markarich159]

Just one error that can be found is there was no control group.

That alone excludes it from being a reliable test in my book...as it should from anybody's.

Not only does it exclude it as a reliable test, but it confirms that at least one thing was done incorrectly. If there is that, I'm sure there are others.

From what I've heard there was a control analog smoking group but at this point that is just innuendo as is all the information in the CNN article.
As I said in another thread concerning this article, until the actual clinical study is published in a peer reviewable journal for all to see, we should refrain from commenting as nothing at all is truly known about any facet of the study (i.e. sample size, methodology, randomization, controls, blinding, actual data, statistical analysis used, etc...).

That is why I hate when Media outlets print apparent results of a study that haven't been published in a peer reviewable journal.

At least the article did cite the name of the journal(Tobacco Control) in which the study will be published in the near future. Keep your eye out for it:

Tobacco Control - BMJ Journals

 

[Kilroy]

"journalism" as taught by Reston, died long ago. The media of today is nothing more than the yellow rags of Hearst.

 

[tarheeldan]

In a related story people who had never seen a car before were handed the keys to a corvette and couldn't get it to move.

Corvettes don't operate correctly!!!

Nice one, River! Someone mentioned this in the other thread, but I wish we had video of the subjects trying to vape their first try

 

[georgiasl]

No way it is placebo for me. The first liquid I got was 18mg, I was only a half pack per day smoker and I ws not yet on ECF. After the first day I had a killer headache felt very anxious and queasy. Googled e-cig and nic found this site and realized I had a nic OD. Now I use 6-10mg much better

 

[slybootz]

Careful about assuming placebo effects are out of proportion. Recent studies have shown that placebos are more and more becoming more effective than the real drug in clinical studies.

That said I know we've had some people around here who've achieved minor nic poisoning after long vaping sessions. I myself had some symptoms after a night of testing cart mods. That wasn't a placebo effect because I wasn't even yet aware of what the symptoms were.

i can attest to the nicotine poisoning... when i first got my PV a year ago, i had bought about 15-20 different sample sized bottles of e-liquid, strengths from 12mg to 36mg. i literally spent the entire day trying every single flavor/strength, and ended up with some nic poisoning. Sweats, cramps, headaches, dizziness, nausea, and if i remember correctly, some ...........

i am 100% these side effects were from over-doing it when i first got my PV, and I know it wasn't from carelessness(i.e. spilling a drop of e-liquid on my skin, or sucking some e-liquid into the mouth from a poorly-filled cartridge).

 

[Belletrist]

In a related story people who had never seen a car before were handed the keys to a corvette and couldn't get it to move.

Corvettes don't operate correctly!!!

lmao.

i'm not saying much till i see the actual study, but i find it very hard to believe that i'm not getting nicotine. hm.

 

[Kilroy]

lmao.

i'm not saying much till i see the actual study, but i find it very hard to believe that i'm not getting nicotine. hm.

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