Sorry long. Thanks in advance.
I know some of you know a ton about e-juice, so I'm asking which companies you think I should ask my questions to. I'm back smoking (vegan, cruilty-free American Spirit) and hate it so much.
Please show some consideration for someone who's back on cigarettes and not derail this thread with a debate or opposition to veganism. We can start a debate in the off topic forum if you'd like.
I previously found vegan juice but might have asked something like "is this product linked to any animal testing?" and the vendor would just answer no as if they themselves don't animal test, instead of how you'll see I ask about animal testing now and other parts of my definition may have changed.
I asked the following questions to three juice vendors. Two didn't reply and the third said some of their juice meets my definion but said that there are no animal studied as far as they know, which I wouldn't vape because of an indefinite answer. So hopefully I can DIY.
The materials I want and am asking which suppliers you think will meet my definition:
-VG and PG
-broad range of flavors and hopefully at least one tobacco extract that taste sort of like a cigarette and not a cigar or pipe like the one I had did.
-nicotine base
-throat hit
-menthol
-sweetener
I won't consume anything that doesn't meet my current vegan definition. I'm picking away one thing at a time to hopefully omit everything I can that doesn't meet my definition, i.e. eventually 'is the dye to make thes blue jeans linked to animal tests", etc etc. soap, cleaning stuff, basically everything that makes sense. I make a list of products to stick to and re-ask the same questions about a year later to make sure nothing's changed. I wouldn't even eat at a vegan restaurant or eat something with the vegan logo on the package without confirmation of my definition. It can have the vegan logo and still be linked to animal tests and vice versa. I can't just read labels and consider it vegan if there are no animal-derived ingredients listed because they can use them to manufacture the product and sometimes don't have to be listed in ingredients. Bone char for sugar is a well known one, and there are others like isinglass (fish bladders) used to filter vinegar/apple juice/etc. Vinegar eels, L-cysteine (duck feathers and human hair) possibly being in flours, synthetic enrichments possibly being animal-derived or tested on animals, etc, etc.
Anyway, The questions I asked three juice vendors without success:
Hi,
I'd like to know if your e-juice meets my definition of Vegan.
Please e-mail me at
Thanks
Below, I list the exact e-juice mixes of what I'd like answers for.
If it's not too much work, please answer for more than just the mixes I list. In other words, if it's not too much trouble, please answer if all or 'all of your flavors besides these...' meet the definition.
Please don't respond with only a partial answer. I'll ask for the rest of the answers. If you can't answer, please relay the questions to a supervisor or someone who can.
Please don't assume any answers. I've had popular juice vendors tell me that some of their juice isn't vegan.
You would have to ask these questions to your suppliers for PG, VG, the flavor extracts, any added menthol or sweetener, and any other ingredients like coloring etc in the final e-juice mix that I don't list because I don't know it's added. Or just tell me the suppliers and the exact products and I'll email them.
In other words, you can just copy & paste my questions to the suppliers of each ingredient used for the mixes I'm asking about (and ask if the questions apply to all or some of their flavors so I'd be able to choose other flavors from them). For example, if I'm asking about an e-juice with VG base, a flavor from Flavor West, and an Ethyl Alcohol throat hit, you can relay these questions to the suppliers and note the specific product of the mixes I'm asking about and they'll ask their manufacturer these questions:
-Are there any animal-derived ingredients in this product? I'm not counting fossil fuel animals. I do count honey.
-Are any animal-derived products used to help manufacture this product? For example, sometimes Isinglass, egg, or dairy products are used to filter some liquids like apple juice and wine. I'm not counting something like animal-derived grease/rubber being a part of any machinery used to help manufacture this product- I'm asking if any animal-derived products are used to directly help process the product. I don't count things like animal-derived fertelizer to grow a plant that ends up as a flavor extract or base to breach the definition.
-Is this product linked to any animal testing? For example, the final product might not be tested, but it might contain ingredients from other suppliers who animal test and you'd have to find out through them. If the supplier of your PG is Dow and their last animal testing was 1995, then I'd still vape that PG. I'm not counting animal testing of pesticides used to grow a plant which ends up being something like a fruit extract or base to breach the definition.
These are the e-juice mixes I'm asking about at least:
And then I listed some mixes.
Side note, I know it sounds contradictory to almost say it's okay for the rubber/grease/etc of machinery to be animal-derived but not okay if any animal-derived ingredients are used to directly help process the product. But as said, I'm picking away one thing at a time and my main focus still only beign into this about a year is things I consume or put on my body like soap, toothpaste, clothes, etc.
I know some of you know a ton about e-juice, so I'm asking which companies you think I should ask my questions to. I'm back smoking (vegan, cruilty-free American Spirit) and hate it so much.
Please show some consideration for someone who's back on cigarettes and not derail this thread with a debate or opposition to veganism. We can start a debate in the off topic forum if you'd like.
I previously found vegan juice but might have asked something like "is this product linked to any animal testing?" and the vendor would just answer no as if they themselves don't animal test, instead of how you'll see I ask about animal testing now and other parts of my definition may have changed.
I asked the following questions to three juice vendors. Two didn't reply and the third said some of their juice meets my definion but said that there are no animal studied as far as they know, which I wouldn't vape because of an indefinite answer. So hopefully I can DIY.
The materials I want and am asking which suppliers you think will meet my definition:
-VG and PG
-broad range of flavors and hopefully at least one tobacco extract that taste sort of like a cigarette and not a cigar or pipe like the one I had did.
-nicotine base
-throat hit
-menthol
-sweetener
I won't consume anything that doesn't meet my current vegan definition. I'm picking away one thing at a time to hopefully omit everything I can that doesn't meet my definition, i.e. eventually 'is the dye to make thes blue jeans linked to animal tests", etc etc. soap, cleaning stuff, basically everything that makes sense. I make a list of products to stick to and re-ask the same questions about a year later to make sure nothing's changed. I wouldn't even eat at a vegan restaurant or eat something with the vegan logo on the package without confirmation of my definition. It can have the vegan logo and still be linked to animal tests and vice versa. I can't just read labels and consider it vegan if there are no animal-derived ingredients listed because they can use them to manufacture the product and sometimes don't have to be listed in ingredients. Bone char for sugar is a well known one, and there are others like isinglass (fish bladders) used to filter vinegar/apple juice/etc. Vinegar eels, L-cysteine (duck feathers and human hair) possibly being in flours, synthetic enrichments possibly being animal-derived or tested on animals, etc, etc.
Anyway, The questions I asked three juice vendors without success:
Hi,
I'd like to know if your e-juice meets my definition of Vegan.
Please e-mail me at
Thanks
Below, I list the exact e-juice mixes of what I'd like answers for.
If it's not too much work, please answer for more than just the mixes I list. In other words, if it's not too much trouble, please answer if all or 'all of your flavors besides these...' meet the definition.
Please don't respond with only a partial answer. I'll ask for the rest of the answers. If you can't answer, please relay the questions to a supervisor or someone who can.
Please don't assume any answers. I've had popular juice vendors tell me that some of their juice isn't vegan.
You would have to ask these questions to your suppliers for PG, VG, the flavor extracts, any added menthol or sweetener, and any other ingredients like coloring etc in the final e-juice mix that I don't list because I don't know it's added. Or just tell me the suppliers and the exact products and I'll email them.
In other words, you can just copy & paste my questions to the suppliers of each ingredient used for the mixes I'm asking about (and ask if the questions apply to all or some of their flavors so I'd be able to choose other flavors from them). For example, if I'm asking about an e-juice with VG base, a flavor from Flavor West, and an Ethyl Alcohol throat hit, you can relay these questions to the suppliers and note the specific product of the mixes I'm asking about and they'll ask their manufacturer these questions:
-Are there any animal-derived ingredients in this product? I'm not counting fossil fuel animals. I do count honey.
-Are any animal-derived products used to help manufacture this product? For example, sometimes Isinglass, egg, or dairy products are used to filter some liquids like apple juice and wine. I'm not counting something like animal-derived grease/rubber being a part of any machinery used to help manufacture this product- I'm asking if any animal-derived products are used to directly help process the product. I don't count things like animal-derived fertelizer to grow a plant that ends up as a flavor extract or base to breach the definition.
-Is this product linked to any animal testing? For example, the final product might not be tested, but it might contain ingredients from other suppliers who animal test and you'd have to find out through them. If the supplier of your PG is Dow and their last animal testing was 1995, then I'd still vape that PG. I'm not counting animal testing of pesticides used to grow a plant which ends up being something like a fruit extract or base to breach the definition.
These are the e-juice mixes I'm asking about at least:
And then I listed some mixes.
Side note, I know it sounds contradictory to almost say it's okay for the rubber/grease/etc of machinery to be animal-derived but not okay if any animal-derived ingredients are used to directly help process the product. But as said, I'm picking away one thing at a time and my main focus still only beign into this about a year is things I consume or put on my body like soap, toothpaste, clothes, etc.
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