0 Nic = 0 Throat Hit

[papabradley]

Yes I am a noob, but after vaping for over a month and successfully avoiding analogues I am resigned to the FACT that I cannot find a sufficient throat hit with 0 nicotine juice. So far my favorite juice is Vapor Station Frisco - 30mg PG is awesome, almost too harsh - 5mg VG is too mild. I mixed the 2 and found my fave.

Problem is = I wanted to cut my nic to 0mg and I have tried quite a few but none of them produce the throat hit I desire. Regrettably, I am addicted to either nicotine or throat hit. Also regrettably you will only get a good throat hit if you have a nicotine content. Even Johnson Creek, which is touted to be the best non-nicotine throat hit juice available has not satisfied my craving.

I have read about Ph and acidity and alkalinity briefly but am leary about adding lime juice or any other substance to my atty in fear of spoiling it. (BTW I only use Low Resistance Atty's and drip by preference).

Anyway, If anybody can offer a good throat hit alternative to nicotine I am all ears. I would like to acquire Life Insurance soon is the reason I want to cut the nic altogether. But it is better to vape without throat hit and pass insurance underwriting than toke analogues and fail.

papa b

 

[wv2win]

There are "so-called" throat hit additives but they do not provide "GOOD" throat hit. They will provide some harsh throat sensation but not to be confused with good throat hit. Good throat hit is a combination of nicotine strength and warmer vapor from better battery PV's such as 5 volt or variable volt devices. Many vapers have been able to significantly reduce their nicotine levels by using 5 volt and/or variable volt PV's but I never read of anyone going to 0 and still getting much in the way of throat hit.

 

[cruisedoc]

I agree, Johnson Creek is one of the best TH for a zero nic product (their mercado, tenn. cured, or domestic). Try also (maybe even better) FreedomSmokeUSA - try their Maxboro ordered with extra flavor - that should do it. If you want even more, try their RY5 with extra flavor. Better yet, try both in zero nic. They don't have sample sizes with zero, but you can do just as good with a 10ml size for $5.40 (with on-line discount) ordered in zero. Also, a LR carto (2.0 ohm) with a good (ex. = ego) 3.7v gives warm vapor and approximates a reg. atty on 5v.

 

[dormouse]

True. nicotine IS TH. less nicotine - less TH. No nicotine = no TH.

VG dulls TH and even the bit of throat sensation some flavors give.

For throat sensation at 0 nic I would try no more than 20% VG (what I use anyway) and try juices with spices like ginger and cinnamon and other spices, pepper juice (FreedomSmokeUSA), menthol, mint, some liquor flavors. there are also Th additives like QHit (FreedomSmokeUSA, Liberty-Flights with the Flavourart flavorings), and VaporNine has some other Th additive.

 

[baronvoncardo]

Vapor Renu is one of the vendors that will mix the additive wv2win is talking about. It is an Ethyl Alcohol additive. Apparently, it will cut down vapor production while it increases throat hit. I've never tried it so I don't know how it works. Check out the order page. The option for this stuff is about half way down the page.

Nu-Juice Liquid Refill

 

[Mindfield]

First of all, let's define throat hit here. For some it seems like the concept of throat hit as I understand it is being conflated with mouthfeel and/or lung hit (the sensation of vapor entering the lungs.) For the purposes of what I'm referring to here, throat hit is that kick in the back of the throat that occurs on the inhale.

That said, alcohol does not do much for throat hit. It will add to the mouthfeel and give the vapor some added warmth, but it doesn't really do a whole lot for the kick of throat hit.

I have been doing a little research on TH boosters myself, and to that end I ordered a bottle of Flash from FlavourArt yesterday, and am currently arranging to have a few bottles of Throat Hit Plus ordered and delivered, as well. Most of these seem to be some sort of proprietary "natural" blend of stuff. The only one I know of (which is intended as a nicotine alternative, not necessarily a booster in itself) which talks about its ingredients is the aforementioned Vapor Renu, who have some sort of capsaicin blend to provide TH where none ordinarily exists. I wouldn't mind trying it, but I suspect it will likely be on the harsh side, given that we're talking about what amounts to hot pepper extract here, and may even be a bit of a lung irritant in the longer term. Nevertheless I'll be posting reviews of both Flash and Throat Hit Plus when I've had a chance to try them both out.

 

[wv2win]

First of all, let's define throat hit here. For some it seems like the concept of throat hit as I understand it is being conflated with mouthfeel and/or lung hit (the sensation of vapor entering the lungs.) For the purposes of what I'm referring to here, throat hit is that kick in the back of the throat that occurs on the inhale.

That said, alcohol does not do much for throat hit. It will add to the mouthfeel and give the vapor some added warmth, but it doesn't really do a whole lot for the kick of throat hit.

I have been doing a little research on TH boosters myself, and to that end I ordered a bottle of Flash from FlavourArt yesterday, and am currently arranging to have a few bottles of Throat Hit Plus ordered and delivered, as well. Most of these seem to be some sort of proprietary "natural" blend of stuff. The only one I know of (which is intended as a nicotine alternative, not necessarily a booster in itself) which talks about its ingredients is the aforementioned Vapor Renu, who have some sort of capsaicin blend to provide TH where none ordinarily exists. I wouldn't mind trying it, but I suspect it will likely be on the harsh side, given that we're talking about what amounts to hot pepper extract here, and may even be a bit of a lung irritant in the longer term. Nevertheless I'll be posting reviews of both Flash and Throat Hit Plus when I've had a chance to try them both out.

If I understand you point, I think the term "throat hit" is misleading. That warm feel that you feel when vapor enters the lungs is what I know that those of us who have been doing this awhile are meaning when we use the term. It's not really in the throat or mouth. It's similar to the feel of inhaling cigarette smoke into the lungs. Quite different than throat/mouth irratation.

 

[the_chief]

Interesting. I've always hesitated from buying Non-Nic because the lack of TH. Glad i read this thread.

 

[Mindfield]

If I understand you point, I think the term "throat hit" is misleading. That warm feel that you feel when vapor enters the lungs is what I know that those of us who have been doing this awhile are meaning when we use the term. It's not really in the throat or mouth. It's similar to the feel of inhaling cigarette smoke into the lungs. Quite different than throat/mouth irratation.

This sounds more or like what I'm talking about. It's not a warmth or cooling, it is nothing lasting. What I am referring to is that momentary burst of sensation at the back of the mouth around the throat, I suppose right around the epiglottis. It is only momentary and occurs only at the start of the inhale. That is what I have always taken to be what throat hit refers to.

 

[papabradley]

I am glad that my post as stimulated some response.

I have "consumed" analogues for 25 years and have successfully avoided them for 5 WEEKS! Nic or not this is no small feat!

[Studying my vapes as I type] Yes the initial sensation when I inhale is definitely the TH I am looking for.

I will definitely try some of the aforementioned additives once results are posted or if I become too impatient I might try them on my own.

Thanks for the feedback!

 

[washvap]

I understand that you have just quit and thinking about lowering your nic level. But, my suggestion is to just go with the flow for now. There's no need to rush since you have already "won" with the battle you had with your cig addiction.

I'm sure you can get to 0mg eventually. You just have to gradually drop your nic level until you reach that point. That way, if you do eventually decide to quit vaping for good. Your body has already become accustomed to not having any nic.

Hope that helps.

 

[Darkwitless]

I'm going to ditto what Washvap recommended with easing your way off the nic. I started with 24 a year ago and now vape 0-6mg. Thanks to another ECFer I've been adding a couple of drops of menthol 0 mg to my cartos to fill in that missing throat hit feeling. Oddly enough I HATED menthol as a smoker. eewwwwk {{shudder}} But love a touch to my favorite juice. I honestly think I couldn't have cut this far down on nic without it. The only reason I still use the 6mg at all is the maker of this particular juice I often vape doesn't make 0mg.

To slowly drop down in mg - I found a juice I liked. Bought 24 mg and 0mg and would mix the 2. First I only knocked it down a bit by adding 3/4 24mg with 1/4 0mg (which gave me 18mg) If that worked for the day/vape - great! If not enough - I added a couple more drops of 24. and so on until I gradually was comfortable ditching the 24 all together.

I still keep some 12mg around for those moments that i would kill for a smoke. It's been just over a year and they still pop up every once in a while for me.

 

[Mindbender202]

I don't recommend it, and personally I wouldn't try it, but.. 16 Million PURE Capsaicin Crystals, 1.0ml.

 

[Mindfield]

Holy bajeezus, no. Not without having a good understanding of just how hot 16M SHU is. It might be something you could experiment with -- very, very, very, very carefully, with proper safety equipment and everything (gloves, mask, eyewear, everything -- seriously, a grain of this stuff in the eye could blind you and cause pain like you've never experienced) -- but you'd have to dilute like a single grain of this stuff in a lot of juice to get it down to a level where it provides TH without irritation.

 

[Deucalion]

I find that using menthol satisfies the TH for me with lower nicotine.

I also enjoyed menthol analogs, though.

 

[oldsoldier]

Yes I am a noob, but after vaping for over a month and successfully avoiding analogues I am resigned to the FACT that I cannot find a sufficient throat hit with 0 nicotine juice. So far my favorite juice is Vapor Station Frisco - 30mg PG is awesome, almost too harsh - 5mg VG is too mild. I mixed the 2 and found my fave.

Problem is = I wanted to cut my nic to 0mg and I have tried quite a few but none of them produce the throat hit I desire. Regrettably, I am addicted to either nicotine or throat hit. Also regrettably you will only get a good throat hit if you have a nicotine content. Even Johnson Creek, which is touted to be the best non-nicotine throat hit juice available has not satisfied my craving.

I have read about Ph and acidity and alkalinity briefly but am leary about adding lime juice or any other substance to my atty in fear of spoiling it. (BTW I only use Low Resistance Atty's and drip by preference).

Anyway, If anybody can offer a good throat hit alternative to nicotine I am all ears. I would like to acquire Life Insurance soon is the reason I want to cut the nic altogether. But it is better to vape without throat hit and pass insurance underwriting than toke analogues and fail.

papa b

ejoker's blend is a juice that has TH at 0 nic. it is like a cinamon menthol ry4 from what I understand. I've never tried it but warped3k (ecf mod and live chat asst admin) says that when he got to zero nic he had issues because of the lack of TH and when he found ejokers blend he was able to get the TH he needed.

This goes along with the common statement that cinnamon and menthol are both flavors that add to TH.