Vaping Ni80 metallic taste
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Nothing I've tried lol. You can try pulsing it gently - if that works for you and you don't notice a flavor change then your good. Wrapping a new coil works best for me.
Other than not dry burning I don't know either. I only use NI80 in my Myjet pods and set aside for possible recoiling later (not an easy task yet for me) after two or three fills. I went back to using Kanthal in my KFV3 mini clone and will try SS in that next. Those I can dry burn but even then I pulse it just enough to burn off gunk and try not to get too hot. I've tried everclear soaks, dishwashing soap, nothing gets the gunk off the coils except pulsing that I've tried.
But here's the Deal.
All the NiChrome 80 Wire or Coils that you buy have a Layer on Chromium Oxide on them to start with.
And it's fixed right? I think the real deal is dry burning and really heating it up breaks down some of the bonds and at some point increases the metals that are released in vaping. I'm a big Dr. F fan
And it's fixed right? I think the real deal is dry burning and really heating it up breaks down some of the bonds and at some point increases the metals that are released in vaping. I'm a big Dr. F fan
To be Honest with you, I'm not sure where Popular Believe is on much of this.
I hold Dr. F in High Respect. And I applaud what He, an Many others (Including our own Kurt), for the work they have done. But the Statements that Dr. F made with respect Dry Burning were somewhat Questionable.
Everything that Dry Burning accomplishes can be done Without raising the Coil temp to "Cherry Red" or beyond. So... I would suggest to anyone that they Dry Burn at Low Voltages/Watts and stop when the Wire starts to turn Red.
I say this more as Precaution. And Not because I believe that Dry Burning has been Linked to any Increased Risk.
I believe your advice is sound, and I too think Dr. f was being precautionary in his advice not to dry burn. I know this much first hand - when I dry burn a Nichrome 80 coil, I can taste something different, a more metallic taste, which to me is a good indication something's being released that wasn't before. And it's well established that some metals are released in vaping though small amounts, the same as happens in cookware. So does dry burning release more? I would have to study the research to see if any substantiates this, I don't recall any that do. I have read articles by chemists and metallurgists stating that the surface structure of a coil is definitely altered in dry burning, and If my memory is correct Dr. F mentioned this.
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I think where things can get Muddled is in the way we use the term "Dry Burn".
Heating a Dry Coil to Clean it of residual contaminants can be anything from a 5W Pulsed Burn to a 60W Constant Power Angry Burn.
Heating a Coil until the Entire Coil in Bright Orange boarding on Yellow could be a Problem. But just because Boundary Layer of a Metal Allow may undergo a Physical Change, doesn't mean that this Change is now more harmful than before the change Occurred.
I think it is Prudent to limit Dry Burning to just as Red is Detected. Because All I'm trying to achieve is to Clean the Coil. And to see that it is Heating from the Center Out with No Hot Spots. And I can do this by seeing that the Center of the Coil is Turing Red while using Low Wattages.
So that's what I do.
That's pretty much the way I do it too, with Kanthal. I pulse it just enough to see the gunk vaporize off and the coil only starts to redden then let off and repeat until no more vapor and the coil is clean and still shiney. Seems prudent. Do that with Nichrome 80 though and I get a dull finish and poor taste afterwards, maybe because it heats too fast.
I don't see a real Change in taste of Lightly Dry Burned NiChrome 80. But Taste is Very Subjective.
But I also Rinse Pre-Made NiChrome 80 Coils (or SS Pre-Made Coils) in Alcohol/Water. Or Wipe strand wire with Alcohol and then wet Paper Towel.
It is Very Rare that any Smoke comes off them when I do Dry Burn them. So the Rinsing/Wiping may have something to do with a Smaller Change in taste?
I think you hit on it when you mentioned taste being subjective. For example I don't use metal drip tips because I can taste the metal. But surely you notice shiney new Nichrome 80 coils becoming bluish dull gray even after lightly dry burning?
I do notice that a Cleaned Lightly Dry Burned NiChrome 80 Coil turns dull. And that a Un-Cleaned Lightly Dry Burned NiChrome 80 Coil may have other Hues. I just don't Taste a Dramatic Difference in Taste.
I've got some Free Time tomorrow. Maybe I'll do a Side by Side taste comparison.
One thing I just realized is that with Nichrome I'm using 30 or 31 awg, where as with Kanthal I use 28 Awg typically for my 2 mm 7 wrap spaced coils. So trying do do a light dry burn is harder on that size Nichrome since it heats up faster. Probably a fairer comparison would be to use the same gauges and look at the coil color and gloss change after a light dry burn. Like you said though taste is subjective and I've heard some people say kanthal has a metallic taste as it breaks in and others say that about Nichrome lol.
Yeah... I can Imagine that NiChrome 80 at 30 or 31ga heats up Very Fast.
Do you need to use such a Small Gauge? Or just Like the way it hits better?
In a Myjet pod rebuild I used a smaller gauge Nichrome 31 awg, 1.5 mm 7 wrap spaced to get the same build as the original Myjet pod which gives great flavor. Carried it over to my KF V3 mini clone to try to get that flavor, 1.5 mm didn't wick well there so went to 2mm, then went to 30awg, around 8 or 9W. I usually use 28awg kanthal in it at low power, around 10 W. for me 7 wraps 2mm spaced coils work well, I prefer them to the 2.5 and 3mm 26 to 28 awg kanthal coils I used to build.
Gotcha.
Next time you do some Vape shopping, you might pickup a Small Spool of 28ga NiChrome 80 and give it a Try.
Good idea, I got some 30awg SS in the mail I want to try at 2 mm 7 wrap spaced in a few days, never used SS before.
I used to use a lot of 28ga NiChrome. Then I got some 26ga by accident.
The 26ga seemed to give me Better Flavor for a given Ohm due to the Extra Wraps. And the Sweet Spot for watts was a Larger. It was also Easier to Work with build-wise.
What did you build that in? The deck on a KF V3 mini is pretty small.
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