Wilton Flavors

[yvilla]

Lu, the problem is that all artificial flavors have corresponding chemical names - usually long and scary sounding, but many perfectly harmless. But according to FDA rules, the companies that make flavors do not have to dislcose the specific ingredients, so long as all the ingredients are on the GRAS list (generally regarded as safe).

And diacetyl has been on the GRAS list, although there have been attempts to get the FDA to remove it. I don't know the current status of those attempts however. And although I have read that some flavor makers have voluntarily stopped using it, I think any butter flavor should be regarded as suspicious unless the actual chemical components of the flavor are known.

Here are some cites to further info on the topic:

Flavor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Natural and Artificial Flavors: What's the Difference?

Eight Months Later, Will FDA Finally Consider Diacetyl’s Safety? The Pump Handle

Questions and Answers about Diacetyl

 

[Sun Vaporer]

As was first posted by Smoking Clam, Totally Wicked tries to give the most acurate disclosure, as they just do not say "artifical flavor", rather the break it down as best they can--all the "strange sounding" ingediants are from flavoings:

Here is a list of the 16 ingredients that is on the bottle. Not sure what some of this is but here goes...
1. tobacco essence oil <3%
2. tobacco lead oil <3%
3. nicotine (from tobacco leaf)<3%
4. 2,3,5, trimethylpyrazine<1%
5. 2,3,5,6, tetramethylpyrazine <1%
6. 2,3 dimethylpyrazine <1%
7. 2-acetypyrazine <1%
8. 2-methyl butyic acid <15
9. terp ineol <1%
10 ethyl maltol <1%
11. guaiacol <1%
12. acetyl pyridine <2%
13. octalactone(gamma)<1%
14. pure water<10%
15. propylene glycol >65%
16. glycerol <10%

I this the "full list"? Not sure--but it beats just saying "artifical flavorings"--Sun

 

[barbcast]

Be careful not to get the Wilton candy flavors from Wal-mart. I put a cinnamon flavor in my mix and it really messed up the atomizer.

The CINNAMON messed up your atomizer? HOW??? Did you just drip it straight or mix it with VG or PG? I have been using the cinnamon, I LOVE IT, got it in a sample pack at Michaels that also had peppermint, Cherry (YUK) and Creme De Menthe... Mixed a little CDM and PPM with mostly Cinnamon, and it's sooo good! Who knew SMOKING Could taste GREAT! HEE HEE!!! Sorry this is all so new and cool to me.

I had my batteries die while on an outing to the city a few days ago, and had to resort to an analog... UGH...

Remember the FIRST one you EVER smoked as a kid? How you felt? How sick you got? How gross it tasted? Yep... I seriously had a flashback to that day at age 15 2 days ago. WOW.

The other thing is, I smoked a FEW that night needing SOMETHING til I got home, and boy did I get SICK from em!!! Couldn't think straight, got dizzy and sleepy. After a WEEK of no smoking, this happened. NO more analogs, EVER!!! Got my USB pass thru from Steve today too, LOVE this thing, the vape is just like a cig!!!

OH and I truly seem to enjoy the dripping method. I know it's probably a bit on the dangerous side as far as killing atomizers, LOL but there's just something so familiar about having to do something every 20 puffs or so to "restart" the process.... Ya'll know what I mean I am sure... (lighter... cough cough LOL)

Looking forward to trying out a black Pee wee from PureSmoker next. Ordered it a couple of days ago. I like the Njoy Pro, but this one's supposed to be great too, and it's so cute! Will be passing this one on to a friend, hopefully she will quit completely too. Cause one other thing...

I REALLY REALLY understand why all my friends were annoyed when I lit up, even on the street around them... GOD, it STINKS SO BAD when my roommate does it outside! Yeah, I know, I am turning into one of those reformed smoker .......s... can't help it. I GET IT NOW, what they all wanted to tell me.

TC all... off to enjoy my new usbpass and cinnamon... YUM.

 

[Elle]

does the cinnamon taste like real cinnamon (i think of cinnamon rolls) or more artificial (like red hots candies?)?

 

[CandyGirl]

we used to soak tooth pics in cinnamon oil and take them to school. i remember it being really strong, like the red hots. don't know if this would be the same though.

 

[barbcast]

I'm happy to see there is already a thread running on Wilton Flavors since I can't yet start one myself (side question, when will I be allowed to?). I had read on another thread about the Wilton cake glycerine being used for vaping, and I had read the thread about the Lorann candy flavoring.
Well, I ran into Michaels today to by the Glycerine, and saw pack of 4 Wilton flavors for $6. Each flavor is held in a 1/4 oz glass bottle.
The flavors are:
1. Peppermint Candy Flavoring
2. Artificial Cinnamon Candy Flavoring (which I suppose I'll avoid after just reading smoking clam's post)
3. Creme de Menthe candy flavoring
4. Artificial Cherry candy flavoring.

I put a single super thick drop of glycerine on an empty cart, and a single drop of the peppermint candy, and then added a couple drops of 36 mg marlboro flavoring for the nicotine.

It's delicious! I've been puffing on it non-stop ever since.
My friend Brad from the dorm room next door filled up a cart for his janty in a similiar fashion except with cherry, and it was also very tasty.

smoking clam, how much cinnamon does one need to put in their mix to mess up their atomizer, and what exactly do you mean by "mess up?"

LOL thats exactly what I bought, groovin on the cinnamon, and I asked him the same question... You like me it seems, would feel so sad if you couldn't use these, they are GRRREAT!!! LOL

 

[barbcast]

does the cinnamon taste like real cinnamon (i think of cinnamon rolls) or more artificial (like red hots candies?)?

It tastes pretty much like Big Red Gum, but be CAREFUL how much you use, the stuff is highly concentrated and will BURN your mouth, if you vape even a drop straight. DILUTE, add VG, and vape away!

 

[MonkeyMonk]

Kate and yvilla thanks for the info on diacetyl. I'm throwing my butter flavor down the drain today.

 

[Kate]

But it might be ok Monkey. Send them an email and ask if they use diacetyl, it will be handy to know.

EDIT
I've just sent them an email to ask about diacetyl. I've asked Bickfords too.

 

[smokingclam]

The CINNAMON messed up your atomizer? HOW??? Did you just drip it straight or mix it with VG or PG? I have been using the cinnamon, I LOVE IT, got it in a sample pack at Michaels that also had peppermint, Cherry (YUK) and Creme De Menthe... Mixed a little CDM and PPM with mostly Cinnamon, and it's sooo good! Who knew SMOKING Could taste GREAT! HEE HEE!!! Sorry this is all so new and cool to me.

I had my batteries die while on an outing to the city a few days ago, and had to resort to an analog... UGH...

Remember the FIRST one you EVER smoked as a kid? How you felt? How sick you got? How gross it tasted? Yep... I seriously had a flashback to that day at age 15 2 days ago. WOW.

The other thing is, I smoked a FEW that night needing SOMETHING til I got home, and boy did I get SICK from em!!! Couldn't think straight, got dizzy and sleepy. After a WEEK of no smoking, this happened. NO more analogs, EVER!!! Got my USB pass thru from Steve today too, LOVE this thing, the vape is just like a cig!!!

OH and I truly seem to enjoy the dripping method. I know it's probably a bit on the dangerous side as far as killing atomizers, LOL but there's just something so familiar about having to do something every 20 puffs or so to "restart" the process.... Ya'll know what I mean I am sure... (lighter... cough cough LOL)

Looking forward to trying out a black Pee wee from PureSmoker next. Ordered it a couple of days ago. I like the Njoy Pro, but this one's supposed to be great too, and it's so cute! Will be passing this one on to a friend, hopefully she will quit completely too. Cause one other thing...

I REALLY REALLY understand why all my friends were annoyed when I lit up, even on the street around them... GOD, it STINKS SO BAD when my roommate does it outside! Yeah, I know, I am turning into one of those reformed smoker .......s... can't help it. I GET IT NOW, what they all wanted to tell me.

TC all... off to enjoy my new usbpass and cinnamon... YUM.

I mixed it in with some juice,and glycedrine. It didn't kill the atomizer per se just stuck to it and couldn't get rid of the taste. It was more a case of using too much of it. Didn't realize how strong the stuff was as this was my first attempt at making my own flavor.

 

[smokingclam]

does the cinnamon taste like real cinnamon (i think of cinnamon rolls) or more artificial (like red hots candies?)?

I think it is more like the red hot taste myself. I was looking more for that taste myself just went too heavy with it. Trying to get that tic tac taste.

 

[barbcast]

I mixed it in with some juice,and glycedrine. It didn't kill the atomizer per se just stuck to it and couldn't get rid of the taste. It was more a case of using too much of it. Didn't realize how strong the stuff was as this was my first attempt at making my own flavor.

Ahhh ok, yeah I can see how that could happen, its very strong. However, I seem to have found a perfect mix of VG, Peppermint extract as a thinning agent, and then the cinnamon flavoring, what happens is, when I take a drag, it pulls the vapor in, and the cinnamon rolls over my tounge as though it was sprinkled there! It's amazing how this feels and tastes, its like someone squirted a great tasting misty vapor on your tounge just right! LOVE it!

Only thing I keep finding is a burnt taste to the atomizer after a few drags, but thats with any flavor so far, and I assume that means the thing is drying out, cause when I redrip it goes away after a min. Also using the pass thru so it could also be heating it up waaaay more, I notice I burn my lips if I drag too hard without a cart, which is what I love to do, very very REALISTIC that way

BTW your signature is awesome Idiot Repellant ROFLMAO Oh and hey, if you still got that atomizer that you "ruined" with the never ending cinnamon taste and dont want it, let me know, I'll take it off your hands, I am stuck on this cinnamon for good!

 

[CandyGirl]

does the cinnamon taste like real cinnamon (i think of cinnamon rolls) or more artificial (like red hots candies?)?

now you got me going. butter and cinnamon blend? apple, butter and cinnamon? peach cobbler and cinnamon? lol

 

[smokingclam]

Ahhh ok, yeah I can see how that could happen, its very strong. However, I seem to have found a perfect mix of VG, Peppermint extract as a thinning agent, and then the cinnamon flavoring, what happens is, when I take a drag, it pulls the vapor in, and the cinnamon rolls over my tounge as though it was sprinkled there! It's amazing how this feels and tastes, its like someone squirted a great tasting misty vapor on your tounge just right! LOVE it!

Only thing I keep finding is a burnt taste to the atomizer after a few drags, but thats with any flavor so far, and I assume that means the thing is drying out, cause when I redrip it goes away after a min. Also using the pass thru so it could also be heating it up waaaay more, I notice I burn my lips if I drag too hard without a cart, which is what I love to do, very very REALISTIC that way

BTW your signature is awesome Idiot Repellant ROFLMAO Oh and hey, if you still got that atomizer that you "ruined" with the never ending cinnamon taste and dont want it, let me know, I'll take it off your hands, I am stuck on this cinnamon for good!

That burnt taste is what I was talking about. It wouldn't go away no matter what I tried. Imagine using about a 1/4 of the bottle how much burnt taste you get.
I finally got it out by using a alcohol based cleaner I use to clean my smoking pipes with.

 

[Kate]

I sent this message to Wilton a few days ago:

"... please could you tell me if diacetyl is an ingredient in any of your
food flavors?"

This is the reply I got:

"... The ingredients in our icing colors are:
Sugar, corn syrup, glycerin, water, FD&C Red #40, modified food starch, potassium sorbate, agar gum, citric acid, sodium citrate."

 

[ZambucaLu]

Well my bottle says "no color artificial butter flavor". When I wrote, I specifically asked them if there was diacetyl in the butter flavoring....but I never got an answer. I think they do have some that do have colorings though for when you want colored icings.

Lu

 

[NewcastleB]

I just found this on the Hobby Lobby website:
http://www.hobbylobby.com/weekly/weekly.cfm?page=2
Coupon for 40% off Wilton products, but it ends tomorrow (March 14) My local HL doesn't a wide selection, but I may pick up the 4 pack and check it out.

 

[Wildsky]

I sent this message to Wilton a few days ago:

"... please could you tell me if diacetyl is an ingredient in any of your
food flavors?"

This is the reply I got:

"... The ingredients in our icing colors are:
Sugar, corn syrup, glycerin, water, FD&C Red #40, modified food starch, potassium sorbate, agar gum, citric acid, sodium citrate."

I hate it when they don't read the question.

 

[Kate]

It's a pain in the .... isn't it

I had a bit of a fob off experience with Bickfords too but that's for another thread.

Meanwhile, there is nothing to say there isn't diacetyl in Wilton flavours.

 

[bri1270]

So what's the verdict on Wilton flavors? I have some clear Vanilla I just mixed with another concoction and wanted to know what the deal is with it before I puff any more.