So what then has caused the Rebirth or Revival or Resurrection (or whatever word you like that starts with "Re") that has made Squonking so Popular all of sudden?
I've said what I think Caused it.
Why is squonking so popular all of the sudden?
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So what then has caused the Rebirth or Revival or Resurrection (or whatever word you like that starts with "Re") that has made Squonking so Popular all of sudden?
I've said what I think Caused it.
IMHO I really didn't see cheap squonkers (sure there were the high end, small business ones that would come out) but I'm talking about ones like the Kanger until the Reo clone came out.
After I saw that was when I noticed a lot of other companies start making them.
ETA: I even remember saying that because the clone was less than $50 that a lot of people would be able to give squonking a shot and not spend a bunch of money.
That's just my opinion.
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After I saw that was when I noticed a lot of other companies start making them.
ETA: I even remember saying that because the clone was less than $50 that a lot of people would be able to give squonking a shot and not spend a bunch of money.
That's just my opinion.
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It wasn't a rebirth, revival, or resurrection at all... Like I mentioned earlier, squonking has never gone away....its always been here.
It was the fact that a few Mfg's came out with cheap low end devices. These were the Geyscano and the Creo. Most didn't care whether they were any good or even worked because of the price, much like the Kanger drip box. They just wanted to try BF'g and didn't want to put out the dough for a Reo or a Sunbox. The problem was both those, (Geyscano and Creo), were mired in problems and showed they were built in a back room in China for sure. It's been months since I've even heard of anyone using one of those. I will admit the Drip Box has made some happy to switch over, but honestly I heard more people complain about the device and atty more than praise it. Do a search some time and really read what's been posted about it and you will see.
Now with the Coppervape, lost vape devices, COV Wraith, and the Pico the game has changed. Of those listed the one that surprised me was the Coppervape. I couldn't believe how many people paid $30+ for freight for theirs!! Most didn't even care, they just wanted one.
Still, with all the new BF'rs out there right now, I still haven't strayed from my Reo's... Why, because they work... They will work longer than I will probably be here on this earth!! Is your Kanger, Pico, lost vape, or COV gonna last that long? I highly doubt it...
It was the fact that a few Mfg's came out with cheap low end devices. These were the Geyscano and the Creo. Most didn't care whether they were any good or even worked because of the price, much like the Kanger drip box. They just wanted to try BF'g and didn't want to put out the dough for a Reo or a Sunbox. The problem was both those, (Geyscano and Creo), were mired in problems and showed they were built in a back room in China for sure. It's been months since I've even heard of anyone using one of those. I will admit the Drip Box has made some happy to switch over, but honestly I heard more people complain about the device and atty more than praise it. Do a search some time and really read what's been posted about it and you will see.
Now with the Coppervape, lost vape devices, COV Wraith, and the Pico the game has changed. Of those listed the one that surprised me was the Coppervape. I couldn't believe how many people paid $30+ for freight for theirs!! Most didn't even care, they just wanted one.
Still, with all the new BF'rs out there right now, I still haven't strayed from my Reo's... Why, because they work... They will work longer than I will probably be here on this earth!! Is your Kanger, Pico, lost vape, or COV gonna last that long? I highly doubt it...
I'm not really here to Debate the Merits of a DripBox verses REO. Or to Compare how long a _______ will last verses a REO.
Don't Really Care. And I don't think that is why the OP started this thread.
If someone likes using a DripBox, I don't see a problem with that. Or if someone thinks that the REO is the Best Squonker ever made, then that's great. None of it really Effects me. Because I'm not here Trying to sell someone on Any Squonk Mod.
I think that the DripBox 60w (and as puffon mention, the 2 Post Velocity style deck becoming mainstream) was a Major Contributor to Squonking becoming some word that starts with "Re".
If others Disagree with that, that's Fine by Me.
Don't Really Care. And I don't think that is why the OP started this thread.
If someone likes using a DripBox, I don't see a problem with that. Or if someone thinks that the REO is the Best Squonker ever made, then that's great. None of it really Effects me. Because I'm not here Trying to sell someone on Any Squonk Mod.
I think that the DripBox 60w (and as puffon mention, the 2 Post Velocity style deck becoming mainstream) was a Major Contributor to Squonking becoming some word that starts with "Re".
If others Disagree with that, that's Fine by Me.
Here in the UK, squonking became more popular on the forums over 2 yrs ago. Back then, a lot of the European modders would frequent the forums and listened to requests for BF atomisers.
I think that the Chinese manufactures just supplied an already increasing demand.
Maybe you should go back and re-read my last couple posts!! I'm not debating anything, not trying to sell anything, just providing some history which you can't seem to grasp since you obviously think Kanger put bottom feeding on the map and made it popular!! Its been popular for 6yrs now and has had a huge following. You obviously never caught on. Its all good...
Just some of the devices that were on the market prior to the Kanger drip box includes...
Reos Mods
Vapage
Red Sky Mods
Bogger Box Mods
Sunbox
Lukkos
Galaktica
SVA
Custom Classic
Pdib Mods
Gdeal Temp Mods
Hellfire Mods
Art & Mods
MoKooo
Tmod
Vaporflask
Turtle Mods
LaBox
Infinity
C&C Mods
Caduceus
VR Mods
Steam Crave
Geyscano
Ennequadro
Grunt Vapor
Bauway
Monkeybox
GPROV
KUI
Gepetto
Kazulinho
Picolibri
Sweet Vapes
Phidias
Missy's
Old Goat Mods
Wildman Mods
Aero Mods
Maximum Vapors
Actually ZoiDman makes better points than you do , of all the mods you listed none have stirred the imagination of new vapors like the Dripbox .
Of course REO's have been around from the beginning & it's clear their supporters are as arrogant as ever .
When you consider the Coppervape can be had for peanuts and Coppervapes ECF forum is filled with longtime REO owners who praise that mods functionality , material & performance it's a no brainer purchase .
People are sick and tired of hearing REO owners make comments like the below .
IMO i have always thought REO's were grossly overpriced for what it is . I have zero issues with people who disagree , it is just what i think not what others may think.
I found this and it was painted rather graffiti-like. Dirty, too. I refurbished it and repainted it and call it Granite.
It will last a long time, most likely because it doesn't have any electronics. Yes, it has gone for a dishwasher ride...and a fall off the motorcycle ride, too. Squonking is good.
It will last a long time, most likely because it doesn't have any electronics. Yes, it has gone for a dishwasher ride...and a fall off the motorcycle ride, too. Squonking is good.
Perhaps it has more to do with a decrease in demand for other products? Anyone who wants a high power temp control mod has more than enough choice. There are plenty of reasonably priced, reasonably reliable mods in that sector. Its pretty much saturated. They have pretty much hit the limit in terms of what is possible and importantly what people are actually using. If you have a 200W box mod but find you are only actually vaping at 100W there is little incentive to buy a new 250W box mod. I suspect that the growth in new users is also slowing. My guess is they are not selling the volume of mods they were 6 or 12 months ago. Manufactures have been forced to explore the niche markets.
Until recently you had to be a pretty committed vaper to get into squonking, they just were not available to buy at your local B&M. Most of the manufactures were low volume and either American or European. The vast majority of sales of squonk mods were via forums, or facebook. In relative terms they were both more awkward and more expensive to buy than more standard gear. I have been squonking for a couple of years, I still visit my local vape store. The owner liked the idea of squonking he could see the advantages in terms of ease of build and use. But he also new he would have a hard time selling them because of the relative cost difference.
Companies like Kanger have some major advantages over companies like REO, they have the economy of scale, and advantages in terms of labour costs and taxation. They can simply produce the mods cheaper in the first place. They also already supply to 1000's of B&M stores and have an established brand name, they sell in high volume so they can afford to take less profit per mod. For consumers this removes the two big barriers to squonking, they are more easily available and cheaper, more in line with other gear that was available.
I think this works out nicely for everyone, more people have access to squonking, at a price they can afford to give it a try. The higher end mod makers will also have a much bigger pool of potential customers, at least some of them will make the leap to a more expensive device.
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What mod you end up buying is personal preference, it depends on what you feel is important and striking a balance between quality, performance, reliability and price. Slating what somebody else chooses to buy or not is just pointless. We all have different priorities.
You hit on the reason took a long time starting. Not a single local store carried them or even knew of them. The first time I went to the REO site, I found it rather daunting - LP, standard, grand, mini, different atomizers. Builds and battery safety were both a consideration I didn't have with my Provari. I had no idea what to buy. After reading the REO Forum for a while (now discontinued), asking questions and watching some videos; I became more comfortable with the proper use of mechanicals, coil building and squonking in general. I made the leap. I am still asking questions (thanks out to Muzichead and Rule62). But, I am never going back.
I also liked your point about economy of scale and labor costs. When these are considered, it is easy to understand the relatively high cost of a REO. They cost a pretty penny but I have never regretted the purchase.
I also liked your point about economy of scale and labor costs. When these are considered, it is easy to understand the relatively high cost of a REO. They cost a pretty penny but I have never regretted the purchase.
Ha! Thinking back on all the money I spent on the "latest this & latest that" tanks I tried (some of which worked half-decently & most not), I'm reminded of 3 things I hated about all tanks as opposed to bottom feeders:
(1) They all dribbled to some extent on the 510 connector, and/or out through the air intake. There's a reason P. Busardo calls paper towels 'vaper towels'.
(2) You fill a largish tank with some clearish e-liquid and have the pleasure of watching it turn browner and browner while the flavour (sic: Cdn spelling) gets worse and worse.
(3) Nearly all of them burble and gurgle, which I found really annoying, to put it mildly.
So thanks, OP, for asking that question. You brought back a lot of pleasant memories.
Cheers!
p.s. Oops, almost forgot the pleasure of regularly getting e-liquid all over my fingers. Don't know about anyone else, but I hate the feel of it, much as I may like the taste.
(1) They all dribbled to some extent on the 510 connector, and/or out through the air intake. There's a reason P. Busardo calls paper towels 'vaper towels'.
(2) You fill a largish tank with some clearish e-liquid and have the pleasure of watching it turn browner and browner while the flavour (sic: Cdn spelling) gets worse and worse.
(3) Nearly all of them burble and gurgle, which I found really annoying, to put it mildly.
So thanks, OP, for asking that question. You brought back a lot of pleasant memories.
Cheers!
p.s. Oops, almost forgot the pleasure of regularly getting e-liquid all over my fingers. Don't know about anyone else, but I hate the feel of it, much as I may like the taste.
The day is coming when FastTech will be full of Bottom Feeder attys that come with an optional solid pin for use as a dripper with legacy tank type mods.
The reason I gave squonking a try is I am a chain vaper and got fed up with low capacity tanks.
I tried and own both the Kangartech units the drip box and the 160w TC unit. I love the tank capacity 10 mls. What I hate is their pathetic tanks that come with the unit and if I want to build my own coils then its micro surgery and the other con is their decks spit juice into my mouth especially the 160W unit. I replased theit tanks with a Tsunami 24 and on the other with a Vaporesso Neo and problem solved. No juice in mouth.
The other Kangartech product I like and sorry if slightly off topic is the neebox also with a built in high capacity tank no mine does not leak. Some say they do.
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I tried and own both the Kangartech units the drip box and the 160w TC unit. I love the tank capacity 10 mls. What I hate is their pathetic tanks that come with the unit and if I want to build my own coils then its micro surgery and the other con is their decks spit juice into my mouth especially the 160W unit. I replased theit tanks with a Tsunami 24 and on the other with a Vaporesso Neo and problem solved. No juice in mouth.
The other Kangartech product I like and sorry if slightly off topic is the neebox also with a built in high capacity tank no mine does not leak. Some say they do.
Moving towards a tobacco free World!
beautiful collection there. Where's the p67?Squonking is popular? Hope it doesn't catch on too much...
I disagree.......a Custom Classic is the only way to go......Squonkers with a screen and buttons?!? Please! A Reo is the one and only!
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I'm a gamer... and if there is one thing I despise and I see it all over their forums... is elitists. I've never heard of 99% of those squonkers, yep not even the REO. i'll probably never own one and don't really care too... I'm more concerned with not smoking, taste, and availability.
what got me into squonking? a guy showing me the dripbox 160 he was using and actually finding a 60 locally that I could see and touch. I didn't buy it locally, but I got one after researching it. after I learned about it, I knew I wanted one to hopefully solve the issues my hubby was having with vaping and I liked the idea of not having to refill as much. I talk about kangers a lot, because they are what I am familiar with the most... they are cheap and easy to get as well as a good intro, and well made if they can survive my mechanic hubby's abuse. local BMs only carry them for squonkers and starters the most in my area, they are going to be popular.
so rather than playing the elistist game, how about we play a new one?
squonking is the best of both worlds when it comes to rda and rdta... flavour, rebuilding, a tank separate from the coil, and capacity all in one. oh and clouds...
I'd really love to make one of my 454's one, sadly I can't see how .
what got me into squonking? a guy showing me the dripbox 160 he was using and actually finding a 60 locally that I could see and touch. I didn't buy it locally, but I got one after researching it. after I learned about it, I knew I wanted one to hopefully solve the issues my hubby was having with vaping and I liked the idea of not having to refill as much. I talk about kangers a lot, because they are what I am familiar with the most... they are cheap and easy to get as well as a good intro, and well made if they can survive my mechanic hubby's abuse. local BMs only carry them for squonkers and starters the most in my area, they are going to be popular.
so rather than playing the elistist game, how about we play a new one?
squonking is the best of both worlds when it comes to rda and rdta... flavour, rebuilding, a tank separate from the coil, and capacity all in one. oh and clouds...
I'd really love to make one of my 454's one, sadly I can't see how .
I've been curious about squonking ever since I started vaping. I have previously tried dripping, but it was a logistical nightmare, so I quickly gave it up. Having recently acquired a Tmod with the SX350J chip, my initial experience was less than satisfactory...until I got some soft bottles and a Nuppin RDA, that is! I'm a flavor/throat hit chaser and nothing beats getting a fresh inhale every time. For the past couple of weeks, I've been squonking exclusively when I'm home.
My goal is to eventually acquire a Custom Classic and a REO P67. I'm really enjoying squonking and may switch to it completely.
My goal is to eventually acquire a Custom Classic and a REO P67. I'm really enjoying squonking and may switch to it completely.
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