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Vegetable Glycerin v/s Propylene Glycol

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lpwaqas

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Vegetable Glycerin (VG) safety :2cool:


Vegetable glycerin is also known as vegetable glycerol. It is a carbohydrate that is usually derived from plant oils. It is used as a sweetener and as an ingredient in a number of cosmetic products. Vegetable glycerin is also used in place of alcohol to extract botanicals. Citation
Vegetable glycerin based e-liquid usually contain at least 80% and as much as 92% Vegetable glycerin. This is the ingredient that produces the smoke like vapor when the e-cigarette is exhaled. Approximately 20% of all e-liquids on the market today are vegetable glycerin based. Vegetable glycerin typically produces more vapor production then propylene glycol, but has reduced throat hit. It is also slightly more viscous (thicker) and slightly sweeter then propylene glycol. Its increased thickness makes it a culprit in reducing the life of atomizers. Some e-smokers use a blend of vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol - most often 80-90% PG and 10-20% VG, and sometimes a 50/50 split VG to PG in their e-liquid.
Vegetable glycerin is approved by Health Canada for use in various forms in Canada. Products with Vegetable Glycerin can be found in various common items around your house. A few examples include:

  • Sugar substitute
  • In Beauty products including makeup, mousse, shampoo, bubble bath, after shave, and deodorant
  • Pet food
  • Soap
  • Skin and hand cream
  • Baked goods - increase moisture
  • As a thick gel for creams, gel capsule pills, rubs and jellies
  • Eye & ear drops, toothpastes, pastes, and many dental care products
Vegetable glycerin comes in USP grade and food grade. Glycerine is classified by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) and complies with specifications for the Food Chemicals Codex (FCC), United States Pharmacopeia (USP), and European Pharmacopoeia (Ph. Eur. or EP) E244. It is manufactured according to current Good Manufacturing Practices (cGMP) and is shipped according to applicable Good Trade and Distribution Practices (GTDP). Citation


Vegetable Glycerin studies



Glycerol is one of the most benign organic liquids known to man. It is hype-allergenic, non-carcinigeic, non teratogenic and non-mutagenic. It is metabolized quite easily by a process called beta-oxidation. This process results in the production of CO2 and H2O and is a quite normal, common, and natural catabolic process.
The following is a few excerpts from a study called SIDS initial assessment profile of Glycerol Citation

  • Glycerol is of low toxicity when injested, inhaled, or in contact with skin
  • The NOACE for local irritant effects to the upper respiratory tract is 165 mg/m3
  • Glycerol is of a low order of acute oral and dermal toxicity with LD50 values in excess of 4000 mg/kw bw.
  • Glycerol has low potential to irritate the skin and the eye
  • Glycerol is not a skin sensitiser
  • Glycerol does not induce gene mutations in bacterial strains, chromosomal effects in mammalian cells or primary DNA damage in vitro
  • Overall, glycerol is not considered to possess genotoxic potential
  • No effects on fertility and reproductive performance were observed
  • No further work is indicated by this study, because of the low hazard potential of this substance.
Health Canada on Vegetable Glycerin:



Vegetable glycerin, and more generally glycerin (a.k.a. Glycerol) is labeled by the environment Canada domestic substance: "This chemical was NOT flagged by CEPA for further attention. The chemical was flagged for as a low human health priority."
Health Canada also permits Vegetable Glycerin for use as a food additive. Citation


Vegetable Glycerin Allergies & Side effects

Allergies
The risk of being allergic to vegetable glycerin is very low. The only patient population which may experience problems with metabolism of Glycerol would be diabetics owing to the anabolic hepatic pathway which can convert free Glycerol to glucose(but this would still not be an issue at the levels used in vaping).



Side Effects (per my own experience and talking to friends using VG as E-Liquid). :confused:

The most common noted side effect of inhalation of e-liquid containing vegetable glycerin is a dry mouth, sore throat, and increased thirst. These symptoms usually last just a few days to a week as the body gets used to the vegetable glycerin. These symptoms can also be elevated by drinking more water and liquids then usual for the first few weeks of using your e-cigarette.
If you are moving from smoking traditional cigarettes to e-cigarettes, you will find there are many side effects of quitting smoking tobacco products. It is very easy for a new user of an e-cigarette to incorrectly attribute these quitting smoking side effects to the e-cigarette, when in fact they are likely the result of your bodies reaction to quitting smoking tobacco cigarettes. Side effects of quitting smoking include: Bad breath, stomach pain, nausea, constipation, increased appetite, skin breakout's, increased coughing, insomnia, depression, vagueness, irritability, gas, dry throat, nasal drip, dizziness, vertigo. Many of these side effects of quitting smoking will be alleviated by using the e-cigarette.
 

lpwaqas

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How long have you been vaping? have you checked the ecf library?:)

Its been six months now, just a quick history I have been smoking like 1 and a half pack of B&H for last 10 years I was very curious about the ecig I dug deep and this forum really helped me alot I am glad that I am not smoking tobacco anymore; the thing was my taste buds were totally dead; I couldn't feel any thing sweet or cold not even tasty thanksgiving dinner and at deep inside me I knew that I had to stop this one day. I hated smoking but I had to smoke knowing that :( atleast I am now clean I started with mixing the e-liquid 24mg Liquid with 50% of VG and then I experimented with using pure all in all VG :) and I was enjoying it more.
 

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From reading here, it seems more folks are allergic to PG. A friend of mind had also reported that PG caused him abdominal cramps about 1/2 hr after vaping. After noticing the pattern several times, he switched entirely to VG, and experienced no similar side effects. He's the only one I've heard of, and I have a dozen friends vaping.

Question, has anyone compared VG/PG for its vaping effects? We've found PG flavours better (the taste is stronger for the subtle liquid flavours), but VG definitely has the advantage in the amount of smoke produced. I'm guessing this is the reason for the blend, to get the best (or worst LOL) of two worlds
 

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Nicotine can be pretty harsh in 100% PG. Nicotine is a skin irritant. PG lets through the most flavor, TH and irritation. VG dulls all of those and adds more visible and persistent vapor. I like 70pg/30vg and now that my nicotine is lower I like 80pg/20vg. Some people like 50/50. Some like high or all VG (though it can be very thick and not flow well in cartos to tanks). Some like all PG.

Some devices like tanks tend to work best with low-VG juices like 70pg/30vg and 80pg/20vg. Similar juices flow well in cartomizers. Thicker juices may need thinning with distilled water.
 

lpwaqas

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From reading here, it seems more folks are allergic to PG. A friend of mind had also reported that PG caused him abdominal cramps about 1/2 hr after vaping. After noticing the pattern several times, he switched entirely to VG, and experienced no similar side effects. He's the only one I've heard of, and I have a dozen friends vaping.

Question, has anyone compared VG/PG for its vaping effects? We've found PG flavours better (the taste is stronger for the subtle liquid flavours), but VG definitely has the advantage in the amount of smoke produced. I'm guessing this is the reason for the blend, to get the best (or worst LOL) of two worlds

Hell Yeah, its more vap. with VG :D thats what I adore about it; I have tried 50/50 solution and reducing to 70/30 solution (70% VG) and it gave me more satisfaction taste wise throat hit was fine too just one side effect as posted above that I had to face increased thirst and I guess that the same with PG too (from what I have read, about people using excessive PG).
 

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Its been six months now, just a quick history I have been smoking like 1 and a half pack of B&H for last 10 years I was very curious about the ecig I dug deep and this forum really helped me alot I am glad that I am not smoking tobacco anymore; the thing was my taste buds were totally dead; I couldn't feel any thing sweet or cold not even tasty thanksgiving dinner and at deep inside me I knew that I had to stop this one day. I hated smoking but I had to smoke knowing that :( atleast I am now clean I started with mixing the e-liquid 24mg Liquid with 50% of VG and then I experimented with using pure all in all VG :) and I was enjoying it more.

I have some liquids from velvetvapors.com that are all vg, but it is not thick at all....and very tasty, I might add.Most of mine are a mix usually 50/50 as I found pg was way too harsh for me. It caused my lips to crack open plus very dehydrating. the mix solved my problem, and the 100% vg is wonderful
I have notice such a difference in my skin and hair also, everything is just so much better with ecigs.

:)
 

lpwaqas

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Nicotine can be pretty harsh in 100% PG. Nicotine is a skin irritant. PG lets through the most flavor, TH and irritation. VG dulls all of those and adds more visible and persistent vapor. I like 70pg/30vg and now that my nicotine is lower I like 80pg/20vg. Some people like 50/50. Some like high or all VG (though it can be very thick and not flow well in cartos to tanks). Some like all PG.

Some devices like tanks tend to work best with low-VG juices like 70pg/30vg and 80pg/20vg. Similar juices flow well in cartomizers. Thicker juices may need thinning with distilled water.

Yes, Sir
70vg/30pg is my game I will be checking with with distilled water as you suggested thanks :)
 

lpwaqas

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I have some liquids from velvetvapors.com that are all vg, but it is not thick at all....and very tasty, I might add.Most of mine are a mix usually 50/50 as I found pg was way too harsh for me. It caused my lips to crack open plus very dehydrating. the mix solved my problem, and the 100% vg is wonderful
I have notice such a difference in my skin and hair also, everything is just so much better with ecigs.

:)

Need one thing to be cleared from you as a favor here. Since when exactly, are you using pure VG and in how much time did PG caused damage to your lips (its very dehydrating thats for sure).
 

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I have some liquids from velvetvapors.com that are all vg, but it is not thick at all....and very tasty, I might add.Most of mine are a mix usually 50/50 as I found pg was way too harsh for me. It caused my lips to crack open plus very dehydrating. the mix solved my problem, and the 100% vg is wonderful
I have notice such a difference in my skin and hair also, everything is just so much better with ecigs.

:)

To expand a little on my post about pg......I noticed it in the first few days of vaping...and with certain juices that I had....Started with the the first week of my vaping to mix vg and the problems clear up with a couple of days.
I have only used 100% vg in the 3 liquids from velvetvapors.com for about a month now.......But I vape several different type of juices all day,(i have several pv's with me at all times, so I have also reduced the amt of nic so I don't od.)
:)
 
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puppysmasher

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PG is what is used in hospital inhalation therapy, even for lung transplant patients according to a transplant surgeon.

Is this a good or bad thing? I suppose what I mean is, are you supposed to be using a substance used for inhalation therapy on a regular basis. My immediate response would be, "no", but I'm not a doctor.
 
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