Vaporesso Luxe or Revenger X? Which one is better?

[NealBJr]

Thanks a lot. I now understand what is the difference between a mod and mod kit so basically we can buy a mod and build a kit to our needs. However, my issue is lack of knowledge and availability. All stores here selling the custom build kit which is prepared by Vaporesso. No one is selling the mod version only. I am not a heavy smokey. Any system or tank will be fine as long as it gives good flavour. About revenger x kit I didn't read or watched even one bad review but for the luxe kit I see the reviewers complain that it is giving very less flavour with the SKRR tank. So I am very confused. I almost had bought the Luxe kit (build by vaporesso and all stores here carry only that) but I thought to watch the reviews and didn't find reviews very satisfying.

Price of both is almost the same here. So price is not an issue. Even if its a little old I just want to have full flavour from my blacknote Quartet juice which is 50/50 pg vg.

Have you tried the luxe and revenger both? As I said I don't mind if I get the revenger for the price of Luxe. Both look beautiful to me. My main purpose is to get the best flavour from my juice which I already have a hard time finding which taste actually like real tobacco.

Please advise shall I just buy the revenger x or buy the luxe for its new features and advanced chipset?

I know, you're getting a lot of advise and you know what the difference between the atomizer and mod. However, in the vaping industry, new atomizers and mods are released almost on a monthly basis. Smok is notorius for releasing kits and atomizers, only to come out with a new atomizer a few months later. This leaves the issue of "how available are the coils". An atomizer might taste great, and be perfect for you, but if you have a hard time getting coils because they were discontinued, that leaves the tank seperate.

For that reason, I don't even consider the atomizers in kits. To me, I buy a mod for the mod, and I buy the atomizer for the atomizer. I do rebuildables, so if I buy a "kit", the atomizer instantly gets shelved and replaced by my tried and true atomizer. I am sure I am not alone in doing this.

That is why 510 atomizers are fairly standard. They give you the atomizer, because they pretty much make their money off of the coils. The only preference I have, is the Luxe because of vapresso's logo. Advanced chipsets don't matter much unless it brings something new to the table, and there's nothing new I see on the Luxe that I would use... so it comes down to the logo. and Luxe wins on that.

As far as the atomizer, In either case, I would shelve the atomizer or use it for spare parts. Maybe save it for vacation so I don't have to rewick in the middle of a vacation.. I still have two unused coils from my TFV4 I got with the Xcube II a few years ago.

 

[kashif]

The mod doesn’t effect flavor it’s the tank. The Cascade line of tanks with the GT coils is one of the best drop in coils atomizer imo.

I mostly build my own coils but I ALWAYS have at least one Cascade atomizer ready to go. I use the GT Ccell ceramic coils with ohms about .5 ohms. Flavor is fantastic and they last quite a long time. Coil longevity will depend on the ejuice as sweeter liquid clogs up the coils quicker than non sweeten liquid. I vape VERY sweet juice and I still get a couple of weeks out of one coil. Wattage will also effect coil longevity too.

Hope this helps a bit.

TC is Temperature Control.

Basically when you use a coil made of Stainless Steel (or Ni80 or Ti which are both older coil metals but still used) AND you set the mod to the correct metal type (There will be screens do this for TC on your mod) the mod will use the change in resistance of the metal as it heats up to measure and control the temperature of the coil. This keeps stuff from burning which can both increase coil life and reduce possibly harmful stuff from being released by the coil. Conventional wisdom is that 460f (238c) is the temp that harmful chemicals can start to show up. I personally set mine to 450f (232c) or 440f(227c). Cotton is cellulose, and cellulose starts to burn at 451f so this sort of makes sense.

Absolutely. The only issue, as I said, will be to find NRG to sell since it's an older tank. Much easier to find Cascade ones - they're superior to NRG in my opinion, though. And it works like a charm with a Luxe mod.

The muted flavour reviewers noted on was due to the QF coil being used. Vaporesso has since changed the design of the QF coil, not sure if this has made improvements or not. Regardless, the Skrr tank can use the GT coils if one dislikes the QF coils, and by doing so, many have claimed an improvement in flavour.

The benefit of the Skrr (used in the Luxe kit) tank is you are not bound to one type of coil. You can use the QF coil, the GT coils, or any coil that was modeled around the TFV8 Baby dimension!

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I see you have reposted your question in the Vaporesso forum, good choice.

The NRG tank is my backup to all my Cascade tanks. For me I only like the GT coils. There’s a wide selection to choose for most peoples vaping style. I have not tried the Skaar so I can’t comment on their flavor but I’m so happy with the GT coils I really haven’t had the impetus to try any other tank/ coil setup.

Most of my attys are rebuildables but I always have at least one Cascade or NRG tank mod in the daily rotation.

Good luck with whatever you end up.

I know, you're getting a lot of advise and you know what the difference between the atomizer and mod. However, in the vaping industry, new atomizers and mods are released almost on a monthly basis. Smok is notorius for releasing kits and atomizers, only to come out with a new atomizer a few months later. This leaves the issue of "how available are the coils". An atomizer might taste great, and be perfect for you, but if you have a hard time getting coils because they were discontinued, that leaves the tank seperate.

For that reason, I don't even consider the atomizers in kits. To me, I buy a mod for the mod, and I buy the atomizer for the atomizer. I do rebuildables, so if I buy a "kit", the atomizer instantly gets shelved and replaced by my tried and true atomizer. I am sure I am not alone in doing this.

That is why 510 atomizers are fairly standard. They give you the atomizer, because they pretty much make their money off of the coils. The only preference I have, is the Luxe because of vapresso's logo. Advanced chipsets don't matter much unless it brings something new to the table, and there's nothing new I see on the Luxe that I would use... so it comes down to the logo. and Luxe wins on that.

As far as the atomizer, In either case, I would shelve the atomizer or use it for spare parts. Maybe save it for vacation so I don't have to rewick in the middle of a vacation.. I still have two unused coils from my TFV4 I got with the Xcube II a few years ago.

Thanks a lot. You guys are very helpful. I was not expecting such help really. In two three days I understand more than a week of study online.

I didn't even know that it is possible to build a custom kit. Its very fun really. Its like the RC cars where you can upgrade your car performance by adding different mods and upgrades. This actually bring more interest to me in vaping.

I will buy a stock kit but then will try different mods and tanks and coils in future. I am not a heavy smoker. My daily consumption is like 10 cigs maximum. Usually 8 a day. But I want to buy different mods and upgrades to just enjoy it like the RC cars hobby. It will give me self satisfaction to mod a kit. Now I understand why you guys carry so many kits

Ok so I understand that cascade and nrg tanks are compatible with Luxe but are the revenger x coils are compatible with the Skrr tanks? If yes then maybe I will only need to buy coils and install them to skrr as you guys mentioned that skrr is superior tank than cascade or nrgs. Will I get the same good flavour from these coils as I would get with a cascade tank?

And as you said that Vaporesso has remodeled there QF coils so I see that the store have one kit which is called Luxe S and even after researching so much I didn't understand the difference between luxe and luxe s. Is the S version that has new remodeled coils or if they re modelled them for every Luxe system?

About Smok, actually I got very confused with their so many systems. They are popular but I think vaporesso is more reliable brand and I am disappointed with the smok infinix pod system. It gets too hot that could burn the lips. Also I am having spit backs. I let the juice sit in for 15 minutes and place pod on rest in a certain position to make sure the cotton inside pod is well saturated. But I get spit backs and it burns my tongue. Maybe it is because the infinix is made for Nic salts and not freebase juices? Or maybe I have a bad kit?

 

[Fidola13]

Smok mods are NOT known for their quality.

The Vaporesso GT Coils fit all their new tanks. The flavor is great an even using sweet ejuice and chain vaping they last longer than a lot of other coils ESPECIALLY SMOK coils.

Like I mentioned they have a very wide range of coils from 0.15 to 0.5 ohms. They offer both mesh and ceramic (which I use along with the GT2 coils. This is an older graphic. They added an additional ceramic 0.3 and a mesh coil since I saved this chart.

 

[vimagreg]

Friend, for the sake of your money and your patience: stay away of SMOK devices.

 

[NealBJr]

Friend, for the sake of your money and your patience: stay away of SMOK devices.

This is where my opinions are different than most users here. I am not a big lover of Smok, but I do realize one thing about them, Their tanks have become popular due to price, and Smok is so widely available, that just due to the availability, they have some value. If it came down to someone smoking or using a Smok tank, I would rather they go with a Smok tank than smoke.

Smok tanks, although not the best overall, has one thing going for them that other tanks cannot claim, There are a multitude of shops that carry their coils. So, just for the availability sake, They are desireable. I've seen and had much worse tanks in the past, so I know Smok is not the worst. I also have some rebuildables that blow a Smok tank out of the water as far as flavor goes, so I know they're not the best. But, I can almost guarantee I can walk into a vape shop and pickup a coil for a Smok TFV8... I cannot say the same thing for a SKRR or NRG tank.

So, I never say "stay away from Smok". I do say, however, that Smok is a widely available brand, and easy to find replacement coils for, but they're not the best of devices out there, and they're not the worst.

 

[stols001]

You can do better than Smok with almost anything. I almost never buy kits. With that said, I don't come across so many MTL kits I find particularly attractive.

I like to buy them separately for the most part. You can find better deals (probably) and get the tank of your choice (but not smok.)

Anna

 

[Punk In Drublic]

But, I can almost guarantee I can walk into a vape shop and pickup a coil for a Smok TFV8... I cannot say the same thing for a SKRR or NRG tank.

That is incorrect. There are more manufactures that make a coil head that is based around the TFV8 Baby dimensions than any other coil - this includes the Vaporesso GT coil. GT coils will fit Smok TFV8 Baby tanks, and vice versa. I’ve stopped counting at approx. 20 different manufactures who make compatible coils for the Skrr, NRG and TFV8 Baby tanks.

And although your observation maybe fact in your neck of the woods, it does not reflect other regions. A year ago you could not walk into a Toronto vape store without tripping over a Smok product - not so much today. Stores follow trends, and the current trend, at least for Subohm tanks here in Toronto is both the Freemax Mesh variants and HorzonTech Falcon.

Smok is their own worse enemy. Their naming convention is confusing as **** and they have a poor habit of coming out with new products that are not backwards compatible with older coils. I get they need to evolve their product line, but they do not need to keep the same or similar confusing names. How many TFV8 variants are there that are not compatible with each other. Never mind the TFV12 line

 

[dennism]

I have 2 smok nords,one 5 months the other 2 1/2 months, not a problem yet. When going out I take both and I'm good for the day. I mostly bought them for out and about, for that they are great.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Thanks a lot. You guys are very helpful. I was not expecting such help really. In two three days I understand more than a week of study online.

I didn't even know that it is possible to build a custom kit. Its very fun really. Its like the RC cars where you can upgrade your car performance by adding different mods and upgrades. This actually bring more interest to me in vaping.

I will buy a stock kit but then will try different mods and tanks and coils in future. I am not a heavy smoker. My daily consumption is like 10 cigs maximum. Usually 8 a day. But I want to buy different mods and upgrades to just enjoy it like the RC cars hobby. It will give me self satisfaction to mod a kit. Now I understand why you guys carry so many kits

Ok so I understand that cascade and nrg tanks are compatible with Luxe but are the revenger x coils are compatible with the Skrr tanks? If yes then maybe I will only need to buy coils and install them to skrr as you guys mentioned that skrr is superior tank than cascade or nrgs. Will I get the same good flavour from these coils as I would get with a cascade tank?

And as you said that Vaporesso has remodeled there QF coils so I see that the store have one kit which is called Luxe S and even after researching so much I didn't understand the difference between luxe and luxe s. Is the S version that has new remodeled coils or if they re modelled them for every Luxe system?

About Smok, actually I got very confused with their so many systems. They are popular but I think vaporesso is more reliable brand and I am disappointed with the smok infinix pod system. It gets too hot that could burn the lips. Also I am having spit backs. I let the juice sit in for 15 minutes and place pod on rest in a certain position to make sure the cotton inside pod is well saturated. But I get spit backs and it burns my tongue. Maybe it is because the infinix is made for Nic salts and not freebase juices? Or maybe I have a bad kit?

Could be wrong but believe the change to the QF coils came after the first batch. I do not believe there was a name change to reflect this. The Skrr tank also had some minor changes which looks like the newer one is called the Skrr S – perhaps this is what the kit is referring to.

Keep in mind that Vaporesso kits are a mod, atomizer and compatible coil. Each will have their own model name. So although there is a Revenger kit, there is no Revenger coil. The Revenger kit uses the NRG atomizer (tank) that uses the GT Core coils. The Luxe kit uses the Skrr atomizer, that uses the QF coils and is compatible with GT Core coils.

 

[NealBJr]

That is incorrect. There are more manufactures that make a coil head that is based around the TFV8 Baby dimensions than any other coil - this includes the Vaporesso GT coil. GT coils will fit Smok TFV8 Baby tanks, and vice versa. I’ve stopped counting at approx. 20 different manufactures who make compatible coils for the Skrr, NRG and TFV8 Baby tanks.

And although your observation maybe fact in your neck of the woods, it does not reflect other regions. A year ago you could not walk into a Toronto vape store without tripping over a Smok product - not so much today. Stores follow trends, and the current trend, at least for Subohm tanks here in Toronto is both the Freemax Mesh variants and HorzonTech Falcon.

Smok is their own worse enemy. Their naming convention is confusing as **** and they have a poor habit of coming out with new products that are not backwards compatible with older coils. I get they need to evolve their product line, but they do not need to keep the same or similar confusing names. How many TFV8 variants are there that are not compatible with each other. Never mind the TFV12 line

....So, my viewpoint is the same... make sure you can get replacement coils. If you get an off-branded coils, make sure they are readily available and from a reliable manufacturer. The fact you point out that there are many companies that make the TFV8 replacement coils strikes home the fact that it is easy to get coils for it. You are right in the fact that they release new coils and new tanks on a consistent nature.

I will say one thing, is that they're one of the most innovative companies out there. They have popularized the top fill method, and they have drawn "battle lines" in the pricing game. I remember paying $100 for a 100 watt mod thinking I was getting such a great deal. Back then, it was either get a $100-$200 box mod, or get an istick and be stuck with a lower wattage. Kangertech popularized the sub-ohm tanks, but it was Smok who took it to the next level while producing the TFV4 back in 2015. Before that, the big debate was vertical or horizontal subohm coils, then the TFV4 came out and they offered not only a single coil option, but a 2, 3, and 4 coil version.

Again, I am NOT a Smok fan, but they do have their strengths. I took a few trips from Georgia to Arizona/California, so I drove pretty much across the United States. Yes, I did stop at a few vape stores along the way. And needless to say, at EVERY stopping point, there was a shop that sold Smok products and coils. Even on some Indian reservations, I saw smok products. Being an enthusiast, I always look at other vapers gear, and from my perspective, about %80 of the people who vape, use a Smok product. Visiting the local vape shops, probably %20 of the shop employees use a Smok product, so I know it's not the vape shops that are pushing them.

So my advice still stands... Before you get a tank/kit, look at the availability of the coils, and how easy they are to get. price should be another factor... if you get something that is not popular in the industry, you're stuck with whatever that company wants to sell their coils for. Of course, that's not taking quality into consideration, but if you're smoking, even a bad vape is better that a good cigarette.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

....So, my viewpoint is the same... make sure you can get replacement coils. If you get an off-branded coils, make sure they are readily available and from a reliable manufacturer. The fact you point out that there are many companies that make the TFV8 replacement coils strikes home the fact that it is easy to get coils for it. You are right in the fact that they release new coils and new tanks on a consistent nature.

I will say one thing, is that they're one of the most innovative companies out there. They have popularized the top fill method, and they have drawn "battle lines" in the pricing game. I remember paying $100 for a 100 watt mod thinking I was getting such a great deal. Back then, it was either get a $100-$200 box mod, or get an istick and be stuck with a lower wattage. Kangertech popularized the sub-ohm tanks, but it was Smok who took it to the next level while producing the TFV4 back in 2015. Before that, the big debate was vertical or horizontal subohm coils, then the TFV4 came out and they offered not only a single coil option, but a 2, 3, and 4 coil version.

Again, I am NOT a Smok fan, but they do have their strengths. I took a few trips from Georgia to Arizona/California, so I drove pretty much across the United States. Yes, I did stop at a few vape stores along the way. And needless to say, at EVERY stopping point, there was a shop that sold Smok products and coils. Even on some Indian reservations, I saw smok products. Being an enthusiast, I always look at other vapers gear, and from my perspective, about %80 of the people who vape, use a Smok product. Visiting the local vape shops, probably %20 of the shop employees use a Smok product, so I know it's not the vape shops that are pushing them.

So my advice still stands... Before you get a tank/kit, look at the availability of the coils, and how easy they are to get. price should be another factor... if you get something that is not popular in the industry, you're stuck with whatever that company wants to sell their coils for. Of course, that's not taking quality into consideration, but if you're smoking, even a bad vape is better that a good cigarette.

Just to clarify, I do not know who was first to develop the TFV8 Baby dimensions (it is “TFV8 Baby”, TFV8 is a different coil all together!). Like other manufactures, Smok also adopts other designs. I refer to this coil as the TFV8 Baby dimension coil because that is an easy name to identify. Another large manufacture such as Eleaf, Joytech or iJoy could have very well come up with said coil dimensions. Or it may be an OEM design that dozens of manufactures are using. Not impossible, but bit strange over 2 dozen manufactures have produced a coil of the exact same dimensions without any standards put in place – all in a competitive market. And yet not a single one makes any claims of compatibility with competitors tanks.

Regardless, the point of my post was to identify that compatible coils can easily be found for the tanks you stated may not be as popular as Smok.

 

[kashif]

Smok mods are NOT known for their quality.

The Vaporesso GT Coils fit all their new tanks. The flavor is great an even using sweet ejuice and chain vaping they last longer than a lot of other coils ESPECIALLY SMOK coils.

Like I mentioned they have a very wide range of coils from 0.15 to 0.5 ohms. They offer both mesh and ceramic (which I use along with the GT2 coils. This is an older graphic. They added an additional ceramic 0.3 and a mesh coil since I saved this chart.

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Friend, for the sake of your money and your patience: stay away of SMOK devices.

This is where my opinions are different than most users here. I am not a big lover of Smok, but I do realize one thing about them, Their tanks have become popular due to price, and Smok is so widely available, that just due to the availability, they have some value. If it came down to someone smoking or using a Smok tank, I would rather they go with a Smok tank than smoke.

Smok tanks, although not the best overall, has one thing going for them that other tanks cannot claim, There are a multitude of shops that carry their coils. So, just for the availability sake, They are desireable. I've seen and had much worse tanks in the past, so I know Smok is not the worst. I also have some rebuildables that blow a Smok tank out of the water as far as flavor goes, so I know they're not the best. But, I can almost guarantee I can walk into a vape shop and pickup a coil for a Smok TFV8... I cannot say the same thing for a SKRR or NRG tank.

So, I never say "stay away from Smok". I do say, however, that Smok is a widely available brand, and easy to find replacement coils for, but they're not the best of devices out there, and they're not the worst.

You can do better than Smok with almost anything. I almost never buy kits. With that said, I don't come across so many MTL kits I find particularly attractive.

I like to buy them separately for the most part. You can find better deals (probably) and get the tank of your choice (but not smok.)

Anna

That is incorrect. There are more manufactures that make a coil head that is based around the TFV8 Baby dimensions than any other coil - this includes the Vaporesso GT coil. GT coils will fit Smok TFV8 Baby tanks, and vice versa. I’ve stopped counting at approx. 20 different manufactures who make compatible coils for the Skrr, NRG and TFV8 Baby tanks.

And although your observation maybe fact in your neck of the woods, it does not reflect other regions. A year ago you could not walk into a Toronto vape store without tripping over a Smok product - not so much today. Stores follow trends, and the current trend, at least for Subohm tanks here in Toronto is both the Freemax Mesh variants and HorzonTech Falcon.

Smok is their own worse enemy. Their naming convention is confusing as **** and they have a poor habit of coming out with new products that are not backwards compatible with older coils. I get they need to evolve their product line, but they do not need to keep the same or similar confusing names. How many TFV8 variants are there that are not compatible with each other. Never mind the TFV12 line

I have 2 smok nords,one 5 months the other 2 1/2 months, not a problem yet. When going out I take both and I'm good for the day. I mostly bought them for out and about, for that they are great.

Could be wrong but believe the change to the QF coils came after the first batch. I do not believe there was a name change to reflect this. The Skrr tank also had some minor changes which looks like the newer one is called the Skrr S – perhaps this is what the kit is referring to.

Keep in mind that Vaporesso kits are a mod, atomizer and compatible coil. Each will have their own model name. So although there is a Revenger kit, there is no Revenger coil. The Revenger kit uses the NRG atomizer (tank) that uses the GT Core coils. The Luxe kit uses the Skrr atomizer, that uses the QF coils and is compatible with GT Core coils.

....So, my viewpoint is the same... make sure you can get replacement coils. If you get an off-branded coils, make sure they are readily available and from a reliable manufacturer. The fact you point out that there are many companies that make the TFV8 replacement coils strikes home the fact that it is easy to get coils for it. You are right in the fact that they release new coils and new tanks on a consistent nature.

I will say one thing, is that they're one of the most innovative companies out there. They have popularized the top fill method, and they have drawn "battle lines" in the pricing game. I remember paying $100 for a 100 watt mod thinking I was getting such a great deal. Back then, it was either get a $100-$200 box mod, or get an istick and be stuck with a lower wattage. Kangertech popularized the sub-ohm tanks, but it was Smok who took it to the next level while producing the TFV4 back in 2015. Before that, the big debate was vertical or horizontal subohm coils, then the TFV4 came out and they offered not only a single coil option, but a 2, 3, and 4 coil version.

Again, I am NOT a Smok fan, but they do have their strengths. I took a few trips from Georgia to Arizona/California, so I drove pretty much across the United States. Yes, I did stop at a few vape stores along the way. And needless to say, at EVERY stopping point, there was a shop that sold Smok products and coils. Even on some Indian reservations, I saw smok products. Being an enthusiast, I always look at other vapers gear, and from my perspective, about %80 of the people who vape, use a Smok product. Visiting the local vape shops, probably %20 of the shop employees use a Smok product, so I know it's not the vape shops that are pushing them.

So my advice still stands... Before you get a tank/kit, look at the availability of the coils, and how easy they are to get. price should be another factor... if you get something that is not popular in the industry, you're stuck with whatever that company wants to sell their coils for. Of course, that's not taking quality into consideration, but if you're smoking, even a bad vape is better that a good cigarette.

Just to clarify, I do not know who was first to develop the TFV8 Baby dimensions (it is “TFV8 Baby”, TFV8 is a different coil all together!). Like other manufactures, Smok also adopts other designs. I refer to this coil as the TFV8 Baby dimension coil because that is an easy name to identify. Another large manufacture such as Eleaf, Joytech or iJoy could have very well come up with said coil dimensions. Or it may be an OEM design that dozens of manufactures are using. Not impossible, but bit strange over 2 dozen manufactures have produced a coil of the exact same dimensions without any standards put in place – all in a competitive market. And yet not a single one makes any claims of compatibility with competitors tanks.

Regardless, the point of my post was to identify that compatible coils can easily be found for the tanks you stated may not be as popular as Smok.

Thank you so much again. I decided to buy the Vaporesso Luxe S because as you all suggested its the newer mod with more advance chip set than revenger x. I will try the including qf coils and I can always order the GT coils. I read that mod requires 18650 batteries. Any 18650 will work or if they come in different MAH? The ones available here are Efest and AWT. Below are the specifications of both batteries:

Efest
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Brand: Efest
Size: 18650
Chemistry: IMR
Nominal Capacity: 3000mA
Nominal Voltage: 3.7
Discharge: 20A Continuous, Rated 35A Max Pulse by Efest
Positive: Flat
Rechargeable: Yes
Dimensions: 18.23mm x 65.02mmWeight: 46g
__________

AWT Batteries AWT 3000 mAH IMR 18650 Battery 40A

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So please let me know which between these above two is good? Also are they safe?

And I am not going to buy any smok more smok product. I understand they are not the worst but they are definitely not the best out there. I love how Vaporesso makes there products. From packaging to the build quality of the device, everything looks perfect.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Excellent choice! You should not be disappointed with the Luxe.


You need to choose the correct batteries based on how you wish to use your device. Operating a device at too high of power could stress the battery. To determine how much power a battery is able to handle, take its CDR rating (Continuous Discharge Rate) and multiply that by 3. Then multiply that amount by how many batteries your device uses. So 20 amp CDR x3 = 60 watts each battery, x2 (batteries) = 120 watts in total. A high mAh means longer runtime, but at the sacrifice of high CDR.

Both Efest and AWT are difficult batteries to recommend. They are referred to as a re-wrap battery which means they take a cell of unknown specifications, and apply their own wrap/branding usually exaggerating the CDR and or mAh. Take AWT as an example – there is no such 18650 battery that is 40 amps at 3000 mAh…that is well beyond the capabilities of an 18650 cell. Given we do not know the correct CDR of these cells, we cannot determine their safe operating range. Choose a brand name cell such as Sony, Samsung, LG or Molicel.

Our battery expert Mooch has compiled a list of recommended batteries. It would also be advisable to check out his YouTube channel, lots of great information and proper battery care can be found there. Or just ask the forums.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/attachments/d5f17631-8a58-4ca1-85c1-0410f22e71f1-jpeg.806211/

Battery Mooch

 

[kashif]

Excellent choice! You should not be disappointed with the Luxe.


You need to choose the correct batteries based on how you wish to use your device. Operating a device at too high of power could stress the battery. To determine how much power a battery is able to handle, take its CDR rating (Continuous Discharge Rate) and multiply that by 3. Then multiply that amount by how many batteries your device uses. So 20 amp CDR x3 = 60 watts each battery, x2 (batteries) = 120 watts in total. A high mAh means longer runtime, but at the sacrifice of high CDR.

Both Efest and AWT are difficult batteries to recommend. They are referred to as a re-wrap battery which means they take a cell of unknown specifications, and apply their own wrap/branding usually exaggerating the CDR and or mAh. Take AWT as an example – there is no such 18650 battery that is 40 amps at 3000 mAh…that is well beyond the capabilities of an 18650 cell. Given we do not know the correct CDR of these cells, we cannot determine their safe operating range. Choose a brand name cell such as Sony, Samsung, LG or Molicel.

Our battery expert Mooch has compiled a list of recommended batteries. It would also be advisable to check out his YouTube channel, lots of great information and proper battery care can be found there. Or just ask the forums.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/attachments/d5f17631-8a58-4ca1-85c1-0410f22e71f1-jpeg.806211/

Battery Mooch

Thanks a lot dear for the very detailed reply. I will definitely check his YouTube channel. I am new to vaping. Learning every day. Another online store has Sony and LG batteries.

SINGLE (Authentic) Sony VTC6 18650 3000mAh 15A

SINGLE (Authentic) LG HG2 3000mAh 20A

However I am concerned that it said to not protected so I don't understand what they mean by not protected. Does this have to do something with the safety of the batteries? Also with AWTs I won't need to pay extra shipping so please suggest.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Thanks a lot dear for the very detailed reply. I will definitely check his YouTube channel. I am new to vaping. Learning every day. Another online store has Sony and LG batteries.

SINGLE (Authentic) Sony VTC6 18650 3000mAh 15A

SINGLE (Authentic) LG HG2 3000mAh 20A

However I am concerned that it said to not protected so I don't understand what they mean by not protected. Does this have to do something with the safety of the batteries? Also with AWTs I won't need to pay extra shipping so please suggest.

There are 2 types of 18650 batteries. One that are “unprotected” and ones that employ a protection circuit that will cut off connectivity should you exceed the circuit’s current draw. The “protected” 18650’s are longer due to the protection circuit therefore they cannot be used in almost all devices. Plus, the protection circuit is usually of low amperage, ~10amps….even if they did fit, you are very limited at how much power you can use.

It is unfortunate that you will pay extra for shipping, but picking a proper “authentic” cell is crucial. Both the Sony VTC6 and LG HG2 are great cells.

And not to put any fear into you, but there are many counterfeit cells on the market. It is well advised to purchase from a trusted dealer. I can’t comment on Dubai Vape King you linked above – I’d inquire if their cells are authentic and what processes do they have in place should you receive a counterfeit. There is a list of recommended dealers on Mooch’s battery page I linked above. Perhaps have a look there to see how much shipping would cost from any of those sources.

 

[kashif]

There are 2 types of 18650 batteries. One that are “unprotected” and ones that employ a protection circuit that will cut off connectivity should you exceed the circuit’s current draw. The “protected” 18650’s are longer due to the protection circuit therefore they cannot be used in almost all devices. Plus, the protection circuit is usually of low amperage, ~10amps….even if they did fit, you are very limited at how much power you can use.

It is unfortunate that you will pay extra for shipping, but picking a proper “authentic” cell is crucial. Both the Sony VTC6 and LG HG2 are great cells.

And not to put any fear into you, but there are many counterfeit cells on the market. It is well advised to purchase from a trusted dealer. I can’t comment on Dubai Vape King you linked above – I’d inquire if their cells are authentic and what processes do they have in place should you receive a counterfeit. There is a list of recommended dealers on Mooch’s battery page I linked above. Perhaps have a look there to see how much shipping would cost from any of those sources.

Thank you so much. I decided not to take risk for just to save few bucks. Dubai vape king is a very reputable online store. I will however still inquire from them. Yes, you are right there are many fake batteries and clone kits out there. Gladly in UAE where I live we usually get the original stuff and a store mentions explicitly if they have a clone. Laws are extremely strict here.

Luxe S will be my first ever kit. I need to ask so many questions like temperature on what to vape and about coils and so many things. Shall I start a new topic or ask here? What you suggest?

 

[NealBJr]

Ok, let me explain a bit about how the battery industry works. There are only a few companies that actually make the Lithium Ion batteries. Keep in mind, they manufacture for all different types of devices like laptops, cars, cordless drills, etc. They sell some lithium ion batteries in form factors specifically for the device... like a cell phone. But they also sell batteries in standard sizes, and let the manufacturer do what they want with them. The battery companies call these "cells". Companies that make laptops, might take some of those batteries and soldier them together. The battery companies never do claim that these cells are end user batteries, and that they're intended for companies, and those companies take the liability for the safety.

Now, price is also an issue. so, they don't just make the top amperage, MaH batteries all the time, they offer other lower grade batteries for lower prices. Most lithium ion batteries run at a charge at 4.2 volts charged, and need to be recharged at around 3.4-3.6 volts. The mili amp rating is how long the battery will last before it needs a recharge.... With a bit of number fudging, this MaH rating can be highly subjective. So, you'll never quite get an accurate reading unless they are all performed under the same test circumstance... and that is what mooch did.

Also, as batteries discharge, they generate heat. If they discharge their energy too fast, the battery will heat up. If it gets too hot, the batteries might vent the gasses. They have done a lot to help with the venting, but there is still quite a danger. The companies then list a recommended amperage as a maximum discharge. Some even put a limiter, or a protective circuitry on it to prevent it from discharging too fast. This is usually added, and under the button top. They limit it quite low...

Now, that briefly covered amps, and Miliamp hours (MaH)... Some companies resell the original manufacturers batteries, and put their own name on it. Efest is one such company. Usually those sell to us consumers, but the truth is, you cannot be sure of what is under the wrapper. Also, re branding companies can also list their own specifications on the batteries. And since it is a very competitive market, they may run their tests to reflect a better battery than their competitors. That doesn't mean they lied, or they're doing anything illegal, but the numbers on their branding can be widely different than what the manufacturer recommends.

Now, that is where mooch came in. He took it upon himself to test as many batteries under the same circumstance so we can get an accurate assessment of how well the battery should be. Just so you know, NO battery can discharge at 40 amps without getting too hot. You said you've already looked at fakes... just keep that in mind. If I were you, I would choose from mooch's list...

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Thank you so much. I decided not to take risk for just to save few bucks. Dubai vape king is a very reputable online store. I will however still inquire from them. Yes, you are right there are many fake batteries and clone kits out there. Gladly in UAE where I live we usually get the original stuff and a store mentions explicitly if they have a clone. Laws are extremely strict here.

Luxe S will be my first ever kit. I need to ask so many questions like temperature on what to vape and about coils and so many things. Shall I start a new topic or ask here? What you suggest?

Good decision.

We do not know the distribution channel these cells take before reaching their final retailer. Retailers cannot purchase these cells directly from the manufacture (or at least the non-rewrap companies) and must go through some sort of distribution. Despite regulations and a retailers reputation for selling authentic products, counterfeits can enter the distribution chain unknown to both the distributor and retailer. Even the trusted sources within Mooch’s list can acquire fake cells. Using trusted sources just mitigates that risk of receiving a fake cell.

Counterfeits are getting so good at disguising themselves; it is almost impossible to detect them by visuals alone. Legit companies can also change the appearance of their cells – LG is a good example of this where some cells came with a printed warning on the wrap and some did not. Does not make life easy for us. Even re-wraps can be counterfeited!

If asking questions on specific functions and or features for your device, probably best to open a new thread under that specific topic, ie: question about coils, under the “Drop In Coil” topic, or a question about temp control under the “Regulated Device” topic.

On a side note: These cells require a minimum voltage in order to stay operational. Exceeding that min voltage could lead to the degradation of the cells electrode - and if discharged too far, could render the cell unfunctional. To avoid this, regulated devices implement a safe cut off voltage which can vary depending on design – I have seen as low as 2.85 volts and as high as 3.5 volts. 3.2 volts is probably a comfortable average and well within the safe limits.

mAh ratings are usually achieved at a very low current draw, <1amp (I believe) and down to 2.5 or 2.8 volts. Not a true representation on how we use these cells but does somewhat give an indication on performance. That said, the higher the number does not necessary mean longer run time. A high mAh may discharge to 3.5 volts quicker than a low(er) mAh cell, but operates within 3.4 volts for a longer duration (as an example). If your device has a high cut off voltage (+3.4volts), you may not be benefiting from the higher mAh cell.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Should have linked this earlier. On top of Mooch’s YT channel, he also has a few running blogs within ECF. Some of the information is a bit dated, but pay attention to battery safety.

@Baditude also has a few very informed running blogs on batteries and chargers along with some general information on vaping.


Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

Baditude's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[MelanieS]

I have the revenge x, I've had it now for 2 yrs. Great device. It holds up well! My old man works in a factory making tile and he's hard on stuff, period. Most mods I've bought him or he's bought himself be drops, they're done for!! I bought him the original Revenger long before I got the X and his still works great tti this day and is why I bought my X. We both love Vaporesso devices! And I personally love the fact the batteries have a magnetic door on one side verses a lot of other mods who have the hinged door on the bottom! I've learnt that all of our mods with hinged doors never make it past the 1st year! The door wears out and we're fix it and fix it and fix it until it can't be anymore. I've been looking into buying the Luxe, If you get it, lmk what you think?!