I quit vaping 5 days ago and I am waiting to see if my skin clears up. If/when it does I will try experimenting with 0mg nic VG and no flavor. Since I was never able to completely get off the stinkies I guess there is no loss.
Vaping and Rosacea
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Early-forties is "getting old"? She doesn't seem terribly old to me, I'm 20 years older. So far so good. No question her skin is better. She's only vaping a little of the pure VG carto. I wish she were REALLY vaping that VG, so we could really conclude it's not the carto or the glycerin.
@tlynn are you still smoking, and how much?
@tlynn are you still smoking, and how much?
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First of all I hope that Lady Phoenix is doing better, please let us know
I wanted to post my experiences because hopefully I get better and maybe it will help someone else as well.
I fall under the category of having existing allergies but I believe that they have gotten worse since vaping . Ive been vaping for about a year and a half, initially part time, but within the last two months or so I finally quit analogs and vaped full time.
As I said Ive always had allergies/skin problems, but didnt make the connection with vaping until recently. My problems are the same as many others have posted (Dermatitis .) so I wont go in to detail, but I did start eliminating other things about 6 weeks ago like my laundry soap, asprin, sugar (I went low carb and lost about 10 pounds), cologne, deodorants I did switch from claritin to zyrtec and my itching is gone, but if I scratch I get hives
Nothing really helped.
I had been vaping 100% PG for the longest time but last week I starting mixing with VG and my symptoms got worse! I am not saying that the VG is worse for me but vaping was the next thing on my list to eliminate so this motivated me to stop!
So I last vaped on Monday, the the 27th of Nov. I did smoke analogs on the 28th and 29th, but I have since quit and not had one in approx 36 hours.
In reference to LadyPhoenix possibly having problems with nicotine I want to mention that I am using snuff (skoal) to help with nicotine cravings (I TRULY AM AN ADDICT!), so I will post back next week and tell my progress. The next thing to quit will be the skoal (Nicotine) but I dont think that will be a problem.
I also wanted to just say that I started vaping to stop smoking and the past 36 hours smoke free have been great and very easy! I havent wanted to smoke; Im surrounded by my vaping gear and have not once reached for it. I feel better, my work outs yesterday and today have been a breeze and I really just feel great!
Now, what to do with all my brand new gear??????
I wanted to post my experiences because hopefully I get better and maybe it will help someone else as well.
I fall under the category of having existing allergies but I believe that they have gotten worse since vaping . Ive been vaping for about a year and a half, initially part time, but within the last two months or so I finally quit analogs and vaped full time.
As I said Ive always had allergies/skin problems, but didnt make the connection with vaping until recently. My problems are the same as many others have posted (Dermatitis .) so I wont go in to detail, but I did start eliminating other things about 6 weeks ago like my laundry soap, asprin, sugar (I went low carb and lost about 10 pounds), cologne, deodorants I did switch from claritin to zyrtec and my itching is gone, but if I scratch I get hives
Nothing really helped.
I had been vaping 100% PG for the longest time but last week I starting mixing with VG and my symptoms got worse! I am not saying that the VG is worse for me but vaping was the next thing on my list to eliminate so this motivated me to stop!
So I last vaped on Monday, the the 27th of Nov. I did smoke analogs on the 28th and 29th, but I have since quit and not had one in approx 36 hours.
In reference to LadyPhoenix possibly having problems with nicotine I want to mention that I am using snuff (skoal) to help with nicotine cravings (I TRULY AM AN ADDICT!), so I will post back next week and tell my progress. The next thing to quit will be the skoal (Nicotine) but I dont think that will be a problem.
I also wanted to just say that I started vaping to stop smoking and the past 36 hours smoke free have been great and very easy! I havent wanted to smoke; Im surrounded by my vaping gear and have not once reached for it. I feel better, my work outs yesterday and today have been a breeze and I really just feel great!
Now, what to do with all my brand new gear??????
Fernand, please accept my apologies if I offended you with my last post in this thread. I should have been more specific and typed that being in her early 40s can put your wife in her pre-menopausal years and one of the symptoms can be acne/rosacea. The "getting old sucks" comment was just meant for me getting old.
I am very interested in reading what affect changing PG/VG ratios and flavoring has on folks' skin; especially since I have both the roseacea and psoriasis going on.
Thanks, everyone, for sharing your experiences.
Yes, smoking 2.5 packs a day. I was able to cut that down to 1 pack a day with vaping. I even went 2 whole days without a stinky before I ran out of liquid. This skin condition is not just gross it is also somewhat painful.
Last year I bought the V4L set up with prefilled cartos and did not experience this. This year I bought ego batteries and vision extreme ce2. So what has changed is I am filling the cartos myself, buying 100% VG from vendors, getting a whole lot more vapor and using more 24mg nic as opposed to 18mg. I am really sad because this was the first setup I thought would work for me.
It also needs to be pointed out that there is only one basic way to make PG, so all PG is likely to be the same or similar. The only real differences between brands of PG are likely to be quality issues, which should not have any immediate effect.
This is in direct contrast to VG, where there are at least four completely different ways of making it, one or more of which should not be used for inhalation - but is almost certainly available out there.
Before VG is dismissed as problematic, a known safe version of it should be used for a week. Using an unflavored base, or with a tiny amount of flavoring, is the best way to do this.
This is in direct contrast to VG, where there are at least four completely different ways of making it, one or more of which should not be used for inhalation - but is almost certainly available out there.
Before VG is dismissed as problematic, a known safe version of it should be used for a week. Using an unflavored base, or with a tiny amount of flavoring, is the best way to do this.
@Rolygate - We're using Humco's, which is the most common in retail under many different labels. As far as I know, the synthetic Glycerin plant in Germany having shut down due to price competition, the overwhelming majority of VG sold these days comes from biodiesel production, from bulk vegetable oil sources, for the simple reason that it's by far the cheapest. What production methods are you thinking of, and which do you consider "known safe" and which as unsafe for inhalation?
As to flavoring, for the time being she's (wisely) using none. So it's 100% Humco VG in a 510-D Boge 2 ohm vertical coil cartomiser. If her skin continues to look good the next step is to add 5% FlavourArt flavoring as she was using before, but with zero nicotine.
@Momster, no offense, just kidding.
As to flavoring, for the time being she's (wisely) using none. So it's 100% Humco VG in a 510-D Boge 2 ohm vertical coil cartomiser. If her skin continues to look good the next step is to add 5% FlavourArt flavoring as she was using before, but with zero nicotine.
@Momster, no offense, just kidding.
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Unfortunately I cannot give either positive or negative recommendations for any vendor's products - sorry.
No, but you could certainly elaborate on your statement "This is in direct contrast to VG, where there are at least four completely different ways of making it, one or more of which should not be used for inhalation - but is almost certainly available out there."
Inquiring minds want to know.
Well, the fact is that this is a highly complex area and there are no known correct answers, since extensive research has not been carried out. There is no agreement on whether VG or PG is 'better' for inhalation, or even, where glycerine is concerned, whether a vegetable or synthetic source is preferable.
For example, Dow Chemical make all grades of PG and glycerine, and they advise that their synthetic, pharma grade of glycerine is the correct choice for inhalation use. They do not support the use of their pharma grade PG for inhalation:
OPTIM - The OPTIM Advantage | The Dow Chemical Company
Propylene Glycol
There is no general agreement whether PG or 'VG' is better for this usage profile, and whether the vegetable or other sources of glycerine are best. It appears there are many different ways of making glycerine:
biodiesel by-product
from animal carcases
synthetic pharma grade
from coconut oil
from palm oil
combination of coconut and palm oil
It can be industrial grade, agricultural grade, food grade, and pharma grade. There isn't any way of knowing which source or grade is used in any given e-liquid unless proof is offered. However, that would not in itself be much use, as there is no indication which would be the 'best' or 'worst'. From my own and others' experience I know that one type should not be inhaled, but which that is, I can't tell. I had a violent reaction to one VG product, and it is not really necessary to name it since you would certainly know if you had it.
Of course, it could be that as I am overly sensitive to inhaled materials, this was something that would affect few others. However, I stick to 100% VG produced in a laboratory overseen by qualified academics on the local university staff, now - with no problems. But I doubt if most would need to do that.
For example, Dow Chemical make all grades of PG and glycerine, and they advise that their synthetic, pharma grade of glycerine is the correct choice for inhalation use. They do not support the use of their pharma grade PG for inhalation:
OPTIM - The OPTIM Advantage | The Dow Chemical Company
Propylene Glycol
There is no general agreement whether PG or 'VG' is better for this usage profile, and whether the vegetable or other sources of glycerine are best. It appears there are many different ways of making glycerine:
biodiesel by-product
from animal carcases
synthetic pharma grade
from coconut oil
from palm oil
combination of coconut and palm oil
It can be industrial grade, agricultural grade, food grade, and pharma grade. There isn't any way of knowing which source or grade is used in any given e-liquid unless proof is offered. However, that would not in itself be much use, as there is no indication which would be the 'best' or 'worst'. From my own and others' experience I know that one type should not be inhaled, but which that is, I can't tell. I had a violent reaction to one VG product, and it is not really necessary to name it since you would certainly know if you had it.
Of course, it could be that as I am overly sensitive to inhaled materials, this was something that would affect few others. However, I stick to 100% VG produced in a laboratory overseen by qualified academics on the local university staff, now - with no problems. But I doubt if most would need to do that.
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"I know that one type should not be inhaled, but which that is, I can't tell. I had a violent reaction to one VG product, and it is not really necessary to name it since you would certainly know if you had it. "
I don't know...but I find that statement hilarious.( Not your violent reaction. )
I don't know...but I find that statement hilarious.( Not your violent reaction. )
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http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/articles/1123/combating-the-glycerin-glut/
But now another set of changes. Biodiesel was relying on govt. subsidy and mandates that have expired. Meanwhile the world has been looking for and finding more uses for glycerin. Complicated picture.
But now another set of changes. Biodiesel was relying on govt. subsidy and mandates that have expired. Meanwhile the world has been looking for and finding more uses for glycerin. Complicated picture.
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I just wanted to follow up on this post. Like I said before I have allergy's and they can be tricky some times. I felt great after a week with out vaping and still have not had an analog.
In a moment of weakness yesterday I vaped for about 5 minutes before going to bed, then a little this morning and when I came home from work tonight.
I started itching more then usual during the day today and started breaking out tonight!! I'm 100% positive I'm having a reaction to the vaping!
I'm definitely one of the unlucky ones that can't vape! Too bad because I really enjoyed, but it definitely served it's purpose and got me off analogs!
Good Luck guys....
Aww, sorry to hear about that, but at least they did get you off analogues. It is interesting how different people are.saw a dermatologist today who was pleasantly suprised by my improvement.
Well, after a number of trials, it looks like nicotine is what is triggering my wife's rosacea acne. She happens to need 30mg/ml and it's like clockwork if she lowers/raises the nicotine level. Who knows how/why, but most likely from nicotine deposited on the skin. Too bad, she needs it to stay off cigs, so she vapes briefly with high nic. But this is the report from the front.
And one more report. I vaped some 18mg juice to try, and got a few small pimples within a few days, on the left side of my face where I exhale, that I never get with my DIY 10mg VG juice. So it's looking even more like nicotine concentration and facial deposition is the trigger.
Early forties is exactly the right age for a woman's hormones to start shifting into lower gear approaching menopause though ...
Fluctuating hormone levels could easily affect all the symptoms being listed.
Jan
Allegra works best for me (and my hives) ... none of the other OTC antihistamines (except benedryl iirc) work for hives.
Jan
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