Throat hit question!

[crs1981]

Hey everyone!
Just got a Joye510 from my local vaping shop to help make the switch from analogs. I only smoke about 2-5 cigs per day and wanted to go with the 0mg nicotine liquid. However, when I tried it at the shop, I felt no throat hit. The sales guy said it was because it's the nicotine that gives you the throat hit. I always assumed it was the smoke. Is this true? I really want to switch to e-cigs but I need that throat hit! I ended up getting some 12 and 18mg liquid but i don't want to become more dependent on nicotine than I was as an analog smoker. Help! If what the sales guy said is true is there anyway to get that throat hit without nicotine, or a better brand maybe? Thanks in advance.

 

[wyojoe]

Not that I know of. The nic is what gives the TH. Try 18 to 24 mg nicotine to start with, then use lower nic. e-juice and find what works best for you. You can cut down as you go. E-cigs are a whole lot better for you than smoking. Hope this helps.

 

[gingersnaps]

a lot of it come from the nicotine. you can get around that a bit by using pg based liquid. also if you got 12 and 18 you will probably be using as much or less nic as smoking. a lot of people also find it pretty easy to gradually lower the nic. I started at 24, smoke 2 pad lights, and now at 8-12 sometimes 6. as far as vendors go I pretty much stick with diy however if I had to pick one myfreedomsmokes.com is the only premixed I like

 

[wv2win]

95% of throat hit comes from two things: warmth of the vapor (bigger battery PV's) and higher level of nicotine. More PG vs VG, adding PGA and different ingredients in eliquid only account for the last 5%. Good throat hit is NOT a burning sensation which is all you get with additives such as pepper extract to site one example. I think you would have had to have vaped different PV's at 3.2 volts, 3.7 volts, 5 volts and variable volts and with different atomizers/cartomizers and different nic levels to experience the true difference in good throat hit. If you are only looking for a small increase in throat hit, then an additive to your liquid such as PGA, may do the trick. If you want truely good throat hit that is consistent and “warm” not “hot”, then you need a good 5 volt or variable volt PV. Low resistance attys are a good intermediate step to increase TH, but in my experience they do not hold up well and cannot be used on certain PV's.

The sales guy was partially correct. It takes higher nicotine strength 18, 24, 36mg to get better throat hit, especially with a little PV (personal vaporizer) like a standard 510. If you moved up to a better battery PV, such as a good 5 volt or variable volt PV, you could still get "good enough" throat hit with lower nic strength liquid, say in the 12mg range. With 0mg strength nicotine I think you would be hard pressed to get much throat hit with any PV.

A good 5 volt PV is the GLV2 from Great Lakes Vapor.

 

[Rosa]

You won't become more addicted to nicotine by vaping -- even if you use higher mg nicotine than you are used to. For one thing, we are only absorbing a fraction of the nicotine that we inhale (somewhere between 10%-40%). For another thing, tobacco companies add stuff to the mix to make it super-addictive and you won't get that with e-liquid.

quote:

"Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties.[44] However, after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to amphetamine.[24]"
Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rosa]

more of interest regarding "free base nicotine" like you find in tobacco cigs:
OHSU researcher publishes first measurements of 'free-base' nicotine in cigarette smoke

 

[dormouse]

The TH is nicotine. There is no smoke - it's vapor, not burning leaves and paper.

You can get fake TH w/ juices w/ cinnamon, ginger, pepper etc in them. You can buy (black) pepper juice at FreedomSmokeUSA and there you can also find Qhit, a throat sensation additive

If you only vape as much as you smoked then you won't be getting more nicotine. 24mg is similar to dull strength cigs, 16-18mg similar to lights, etc. If you only vape 5 cigs worth of drags then you are not increasing your nicotine.

Did you get manual batteries? You could use cartomizers real safely if so (if they leak it will be onto where an auto battery can be damaged - the hole in the threaded end of the battery which is right about their necessary drag sensor). Boge standard resistance cartos can be used on 510 (not the LR ones). Then if you want you could have you 18mg in one carto and something 0mg or low mg in another for in case you want to vape extra.

 

[jangofett]

More PG also gives more TH.

 

[Capers]

Yea, PG helps, but it seems the temperature really makes a huge difference, as wv2win said.

 

[pwyll]

Hey everyone!
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I always assumed it was the smoke. Is this true? I really want to switch to e-cigs but I need that throat hit! I ended up getting some 12 and 18mg liquid but i don't want to become more dependent on nicotine than I was as an analog smoker. Help! If what the sales guy said is true is there anyway to get that throat hit without nicotine, or a better brand maybe? Thanks in advance.

In my short experience I have found that what everyone says about higher nicotine levels giving stronger throat hits is true. However, I have found in my experience that that a hotter atty makes more difference than the niocotine level. The 2 ohm cartomizer gives a much stronger throat hit on my Riva than the 2.6 ohm atomizer, and the DSE808 I just got seems to vape so slowly that I can feel the throat hit increasing as I cycle the switch to keep the carto going.

My suggestion would be to either try a lower resistance atty/carto (assuming you aren't using 2 ohmers already) or to try out a higher voltage PV, if you really want to avoid the higher nic level juices. I smoked a pack of Camel Regs a day until I started rolling my own about 17 years ago. 24 years of non-filter smoking and I use the 6mg nic juice myself. Everything's a variable that affects every aspect of vaping--if you want to stick with your current hardware, look at the resistance of your atty/cartos and the nic level of your juice. If you want to stick to low level juices, look at getting some "stronger" hardware.

And remember that your smoking/vaping "style" and habits have more to do with how much nicotine gets into your system than the content level of your cigarettes/juices.

 

[wv2win]

........You can get fake TH w/ juices w/ cinnamon, ginger, pepper etc in them. You can buy (black) pepper juice at FreedomSmokeUSA and there you can also find Qhit, a throat sensation additive............

You can "fake" - "bad" throat hit. You can't "fake" good throat hit. If a person doesn't know what good throat hit truely is or doesn't even like throat hit in vaping, then there is a belief you can "fake" it. But you can't.

Warmth of the vapor, provided by more/better power or lower resistence atomizers and nicotine strength are the ingredients of good throat hit. Fake or bad throat hit from additives is equavilant to smoking a Russian cigarette in comparison to good throat hit that comes from smoking a Marlboro to put it in "smoking" terms.

 

[Skypea]

This is an excellent thread! It answered some questions I was having regarding TH.

My PV is giving too harsh a hit, and now I know some ways to remedy that. I'm not sure who or where It was suggested I purchase a LR carto but if I understand correctly that's exactly what I don't want to do. I've had a little trouble with too much nicotine in my system and it sounds like if I lower the nicotine level of my juice I can kill 2 birds with one stone.

You are all so awesome! Hugs, Sky

 

[crs1981]

Everything's a variable that affects every aspect of vaping--if you want to stick with your current hardware, look at the resistance of your atty/cartos and the nic level of your juice. If you want to stick to low level juices, look at getting some "stronger" hardware.

Can you explain to a newbie who is a little overwhelmed by all the technical e-cig jargon what you mean by resistance?

I would like to stick with the current hardware for a while since I just dropped cash on it! I would be willing to invest a little more dough if there is some sort of mod, juice or different cartridge I can use.

Like this maybe? I was trying to figure out what 2 ohm meant and this link popped up on google:

FIVE (5) Joye 510 compatible e-Cigarette blank low resistance cartomizers (Manufactured by Boge)

If I do switch hardware, would something like the Joye eGo be what to look for?

Thanks for taking the time to reply!

 

[Marb]

I've noticed a difference in the way vaped nicotine affects me vs smoked. I feel a bit uncoordinated since quitting the analogs. I thought I wasn't getting the same amount of nicotine when vaped... but when heavily vaping, I can actually see and feel my blood pressure is rising - especially when looking at the veins on my hands. This may also be exaggerated by a lack of fluids despite drinking more water than normal. But I have also noticed the intensity of my cravings has diminished significantly in just the last month of vaping almost exclusively.

Relating to the TH issue: I've also noticed TH seems to be lacking more and more with my initial set-up (as designed). Hence, messing around with dripping and 5v stuff...

 

[Sandybeach40]

Hey everyone!
Just got a Joye510 from my local vaping shop to help make the switch from analogs. I only smoke about 2-5 cigs per day and wanted to go with the 0mg nicotine liquid. However, when I tried it at the shop, I felt no throat hit. The sales guy said it was because it's the nicotine that gives you the throat hit. I always assumed it was the smoke. Is this true? I really want to switch to e-cigs but I need that throat hit! I ended up getting some 12 and 18mg liquid but i don't want to become more dependent on nicotine than I was as an analog smoker. Help! If what the sales guy said is true is there anyway to get that throat hit without nicotine, or a better brand maybe? Thanks in advance.

You will never get as much nicotine with Ejuice as you did with analogs so dont worry about that no matter what nic you vape. However if you get high nic juice in your mouth or on you then you will get a big time nic buzz.

 

[Leothwyn]

I'm definitely still a newbie too, but I'll throw my $.02 in...
Yeah, those LR cartomizers are supposed to give better hits. I haven't tried them myself (yet), but I do have a low resistance atomizer, and the hit is definitely much better - more throat hit, and it seems like the flavor is a lot stronger.

Yeah.... in my limited experience, an eGo (or Riva) is a really nice step up from a regular 510.

I started recently with a Joye 510, and after reading about the tank thing, decided to pick up a 510-T (LR) atomizer to use on my 510. It was so much nicer after I got that. Better hits, and much less refilling. But, using a LR atty made my batteries run out quicker (and I read that overall it's bad for a smaller battery like the standard 510). So, I bought a Riva 510 (an eGo clone that costs less and has a better battery). That, along with the LR 510 tank atomizer, seems to be a really great combination. IMO it's a much nicer experience than the regular 510. BTW, if you do consider a Riva, I got mine from Liberty Flights. If you use the discount code for 20% off, you can get a kit (2 Rivas and chargers) for $29.

Can you explain to a newbie who is a little overwhelmed by all the technical e-cig jargon what you mean by resistance?

I would like to stick with the current hardware for a while since I just dropped cash on it! I would be willing to invest a little more dough if there is some sort of mod, juice or different cartridge I can use.

Like this maybe? I was trying to figure out what 2 ohm meant and this link popped up on google:

FIVE (5) Joye 510 compatible e-Cigarette blank low resistance cartomizers (Manufactured by Boge)

If I do switch hardware, would something like the Joye eGo be what to look for?

Thanks for taking the time to reply!