The (polite) Clone/Authentic discussion! :D

[Coldrake]

The only difference in the vaping world is that manufacturers don't patent their name/product, if they did, the cloners would have to name it the "FayKun", or "Vlume Peil", and have to change something up by a few mm's.

Many of them actually do. However, the fact is that it can take years to acquire a patent, and until the patent is finalized there is not much you can do if someone overseas clones your product. Then it could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to pursue it. As fast as this industry moves, it's almost pointless, unfortunately.

A good example is Evolv's VW patent. It was first filed on October 28 2011, and was just granted on the 2nd of this month. That's almost 3 years.

 

[Hooligan80]

Many of them actually do. However, the fact is that it can take years to acquire a patent, and until the patent is finalized there is not much you can do if someone overseas clones your product. Then it could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to pursue it. As fast as this industry moves, it's almost pointless, unfortunately.

A good example is Evolv's VW patent. It was first filed on October 28 2011, and was just granted on the 2nd of this month. That's almost 3 years.

I just shut down a clone manufacturer on Alibaba that was attempting to clone the Zombi by Ritual Machine by citing International Trademark and Copyright laws, and informing them that if they chose to pursue the cloning of the Zombi, US Customs would be notified to seize and destroy any counterfeit material incoming from China from their company. They removed all postings of the copyrighted image and listings of the Zombi. There are ways to legally stop counterfeiting

 

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I just shut down a clone manufacturer on Alibaba that was attempting to clone the Zombi by Ritual Machine by citing International Trademark and Copyright laws, and informing them that if they chose to pursue the cloning of the Zombi, US Customs would be notified to seize and destroy any counterfeit material incoming from China from their company. They removed all postings of the copyrighted image and listings of the Zombi. There are ways to legally stop counterfeiting

I love that this happened but I also see this becoming a scary trend. Several manufacturers of late have registered their copyright / trademark and are trying to find the best way to enforce it legally. I use to work within the government and counterfeiting is a huge deal as far as regulation goes.

I forsee if the trend continues of manufacturers claiming trademark infringement and counterfeit products the federal government will take action in a very serious manner. That is a huge positive on one hand but a huge negative as it will stop all packages from major supply lines from China. That could potentially cripple the vaping market for awhile like it did the textile industry at one time.

 

[monkey39]

I frankly cannot afford authentics, although I sometimes find myself on sites that sell authentics and drool on the photos. My vaping budget has to come behind my home and family budget, and I hate carrying a balance on my credit cards, so from that standpoint, thank God for clones!

I quit cigs and started vaping about 3 months ago, and it was an eye-opening experience, not to mention the start of a new obsession! Again, thank God for clones! ☺ I might never have graduated from Vision Spinners to more advanced vaping if authentics were the only thing on the market.

While I will grant that authentics, for the most part, are of higher quality than clones, I have a hard time seeing them as 10x-15x better as the pricing difference would indicate (mostly talking about mech mods/RBAs here) . Of course, my personality leans more towards "good enough" than "have to have best", so take my comments with that in mind.

Having said that, I do buy authentic regulated mods. I'm in the IT field, so I've seen first hand how better quality technology can translate into better, more reliable, and longer lasting performance. Anything with a chip is obviously going to be more delicate than something that's purely mechanical, so I'll go with the original designer/manufacturer in most cases for high tech stuff.


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[Hooligan80]

I frankly cannot afford authentics, although I sometimes find myself on sites that sell authentics and drool on the photos. [emoji1] My vaping budget has to come behind my home and family budget, and I hate carrying a balance on my credit cards, so from that standpoint, thank God for clones!

I quit cigs and started vaping about 3 months ago, and it was an eye-opening experience, not to mention the start of a new obsession! Again, thank God for clones! [emoji5] I might never have graduated from Vision Spinners to more advanced vaping if authentics were the only thing on the market.

While I will grant that authentics, for the most part, are of higher quality than clones, I have a hard time seeing them as 10x-15x better as the pricing difference would indicate (mostly talking about mech mods/RBAs here) . Of course, my personality leans more towards "good enough" than "have to have best", so take my comments with that in mind.

Having said that, I do buy authentic regulated mods. I'm in the IT field, so I've seen first hand how better quality technology can translate into better, more reliable, and longer lasting performance. Anything with a chip is obviously going to be more delicate than something that's purely mechanical, so I'll go with the original designer/manufacturer in most cases for high tech stuff.


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How many clones do you own?


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[USMCotaku]

I personally own 3 clones....all of which add up to less then one of them would have cost as an authentic

 

[Ed_C]

I have a clone myself, but I think the argument that I can't afford authentics, is not quite valid, as there are cheap, made in China authentics. Not nearly as many as their are clones, but there's a few.

 

[USMCotaku]

I would rather have a well made clone then a cheaper authentic
The only "cheap authentics" available around me were smoks, and they were still more expensive then my mech clones

 

[Ed_C]

I would rather have a well made clone then a cheaper authentic
The only "cheap authentics" available around me were smoks, and they were still more expensive then my mech clones

I bought my clone because I liked to better than the non-clone options that were out at the time. There's more out all the time.

 

[USMCotaku]

My first clone was a nemy...bought it because it was cheap and I wanted to try out the mech world and dripping. My second clone was a panzer 1:1 that I found at a tobacco shop for $30. Loved how solid and tank like it was so couldn't pass it up. My last clone and my current adv is a Hana v3 I paid $60 for. Really wanted a regulated 30 watt mod, but no way could I afford the authentics

 

[DavidOH]

I've been researching how to build my own. If I can get that down I won't have to worry about clone vs authentic.....though I will be limited to box mod style....no equipment to machine a tube mod. If I can build my own dna30 mod I'll be ecstatic.

You could always go this route.

DIY Mod Shop by jonniemac on Shapeways

 

[USMCotaku]

You could always go this route.



DIY Mod Shop by jonniemac on Shapeways

I ended up purchasing a Hana modz v3 clone for only $60. I could hardly get the parts for that . I'm happy with it, and if it ever fails on me I can just buy a new DNA chip to pop in it

 

[ericbnc]

Congrats to treehead - in less than a month he went from pharm-tech college student to nurse rolling in something...

 

[Spencer87]

I just got y Pegasus clone from slowtech. AMazing. Simply incredible copper mod. Simply.... incredible

 

[USMCotaku]

Someday I will replace my nemesis clone with a nice copper mod

 

[monkey39]

How many clones do you own?


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About 12 mech mods and 16 rba/rda's, plus a few clearomizers. About 5 authentic regulated mods (with 2 more on preorder).

Edit: been on a serious shinyitis binge for the past few months...hoping it wears off soon.

 

[Retro68]

Have any of you tried the Squier hybrid? I was lucky enough to snag one for 25 bux on a weekly deal, its a mech with a built in origin v1 style atty, love the damn thing lol

 

[smokinGAVIN]

I love how copper looks whether it's newly polished or heavily tarnished. My only beef against it is the smell it leaves on your hand.

 

[USMCotaku]

You could clear coat it
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.