The Death of 510

[DPLongo22]

I have experience rebuilding arguably non-rebuildable atomizer systems.

Me too. Pro-tank heads. They were good for one new coil. After that, they tasted of burnt rubber. I suppose the solution would have been to use NR-R-NR wires, but I saw no sense in that vs. using an atty that was meant to be re-built and would happily run on plain resistance wire.

CL-Rs are still in HEAVY use here. Their vape is up near my favorites.

Lots of re-wickings and can be rebuilt when desired. I have a ton sitting aside, already past all the re-wickings. I don't know that I'll ever get to needing to use them, but they're here. I've rebuilt a few coils for them, but it was more for the experience than value.

~Justin Case

 

[Tor R]

Since we were talking about disposables.....

Disposable vapes to be banned for children's health, government says

Rishi Sunak announces the plan saying "we must act" to tackle a rise in vaping among children.

www.bbc.com

And towards the summer they will also have a consultation regarding flavour. And this is from the most positive vape nation.

 

[Tor R]

In fairness, a lot of 510 mods are upselling temp control, but how many of us use SS or nickel wire, these days? So far as it dying? I don't think it will ever happen. At least not in my lifetime. Might become inconvenient due to liquid mixing stuff becoming inaccessible, but the technology won't cease to exist.

My goodness! I remember similar systems. $2 Polycarbonate genesis style atomizers come to mind.

All my RBA, RDA, RTA have ss316l coils, 28 awg wire.
Long mtl draw is how I prefer a good vape, and have become so used to Dicodes and TC that it is difficult to vape on another brand.

 

[Tor R]

So what happens when the cheap China stuff goes away?

IMHO: that will KILL most vendors/markets. Even the Tobacco companies stuff is made in China.

This may lead to a SURGE in demand for whatever stockpiles of 510 gear that might exist and when that dries up, then what?

While there has always been a large margin on 'equipment' but the real profits has always been in the juice.

IDK: when I see others vaping, fewer and fewer are using a 'mod' with 510 to do it.


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They don't disappear completely until there is a flavor ban in most countries, when that happens it's game over.
The last thing to disappear, i.e. they are unlikely to disappear, are high end companies. The clientele there is completely different, more extreme in their choices, and more willing to stretch it further to get their gadget.
I have seen FB pictures of how many puffs some of the Dicodes have gone, should mine last 600k to 1mill puff I would consider them a bargain.

 

[TheSingularity]

Me too. Pro-Tank heads. They were good for one new coil. After that, they tasted of burnt rubber. I suppose the solution would have been to use NR-R-NR wires, but I saw no sense in that vs. using an atty that was meant to be re-built and would happily run on plain resistance wire.

Oh my gosh - back when silver wires were a consideration!

 

[TheSingularity]

All my RBA, RDA, RTA have ss316l coils, 28 awg wire.
Long mtl draw is how I prefer a good vape, and have become so used to Dicodes and TC that it is difficult to vape on another brand.

I respect that; perhaps I'm silly in my preference of kanthal. I know that TC is technically superior, but it's also a tiny bit more finicky.

 

[Rossum]

perhaps I'm silly in my preference of kanthal.

I don't think so. Kanthal just works. No muss, no fuss, and I often get over a year out of a coil. I didn't think I was buying a lifetime's worth of wire when I bought wire all those years ago, but I'm confident what I have will last me "forever".

 

[DPLongo22]

I respect that; perhaps I'm silly in my preference of kanthal. I know that TC is technically superior, but it's also a tiny bit more finicky.

I don't think so. Kanthal just works. No muss, no fuss, and I often get over a year out of a coil. I didn't think I was buying a lifetime's worth of wire when I bought wire all those years ago, but I'm confident what I have will last me "forever".

There are other things I could have been using all this time?

If you're silly, then I am too.

We should start a club.

 

[Rossum]

There are other things I could have been using all this time?

I must admit I had a brief flirtation with titanium on TC back in the early DNA40 days. But I gave up on it because it was a annoyingly difficult to get a coil clean for re-use, and besides, electronics are just needless complication that's prone to failure.

 

[DPLongo22]

I must admit I had a brief flirtation with titanium on TC back in the early DNA40 days. But I gave up on it because it was a annoyingly difficult to get a coil clean for re-use, and besides, electronics are just needless complication that's prone to failure.

You did better than I did. I looked around at my stuff, thought, "Yep - it's all working great", and just watched the goings on from afar.

1. Push button
2. Vape
3. Grunt

 

[Rossum]

You did better than I did. I looked around at my stuff, thought, "Yep - it's all working great", and just watched the goings on from afar.

I wasn't as set in my ways yet at that point; just hit 10 years last month, so I was still looking for the "perfect" vape for me. But it didn't take all that long for me to conclude that if it was better at all, it wasn't worth the trade-offs.

 

[GeorgeS]

That Nautilus thing they came out with was hilariously small. I think it was called the "VVTF" (?), which quickly morphed into "VVWTF".

I bought some of those. The V1 and the V2 - tiny things that were a royal PITA to build on but fit in a Nautilus tank.

Making it 'slightly' easier than simply rebuilding the Nautilus atomizers.

While I still own 5 Nautilus-mini clones and 5 vvtf2's +5 20W 'iStick' clones to go with them.

These days I might pair the iSticks with KF5 clones even if there might be some overhang.

At least until the internal battery in the iSicks go bad, then there's the Sig-Vmax tub mod's....


LOL!

 

[D133b]

Having not kept up with advances in ecig technology for many years, the most amazing thing to me when I went to buy a new tank was that they still use 510 connectors that I can attach to my old mods. I presumed there would be dozens of new thread standards. I'm not complaining, and should get some spares in case they do change.

 

[DPLongo22]

Having not kept up with advances in ecig technology for many years, the most amazing thing to me when I went to buy a new tank was that they still use 510 connectors that I can attach to my old mods. I presumed there would be dozens of new thread standards. I'm not complaining, and should get some spares in case they do change.

They might as well be named, "510 Twains".

 

[TheSingularity]

They might as well be named, "510 Twains".

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Mark is laughing while he reads this.

 

[rob33]

I have a cigar box full of rdas and a big spool of wire. I'm not going to lose any sleep with what China does in the vaping industry. If they quit making batteries I'll take them out of my Ebike, lol.

 

[Rathamar]

When 510s go away? I guess it will finally cure my Shinyitis disease. I found my Zen vape a few years ago, since it is a mech squonk, it will out last me (just in case I bought a second one and about 30 - 40 others I sorta like). Any purchase since then is cause of the Shinyitis.

I have enough nic in the freezer to last until I am in my 90's and if I am still around when it runs out, I guess it will be time to switch to 0 nic.

As long as I can still get batteries, I am good

 

[Tor R]

I think 510 is here to stay, smaller numbers than it was in the golden age, most of the last 2 years have been about pod, disposables and boro.
Disposables are going away, more or less, for natural reasons, pod is taking over that market,
Then there are still Chinese brands that now and then launch an rta, such as Cthulhu and Innokin.

At the high end it has been pretty good with new rta, Atmizoo Tripod v2 and Aer, Svoemesto had Kayfun X, Steampipes is working on a new rta&rdta, Hussar is launching a new rta just now.
Then there are some slightly newer brands such as Arcana, Centenary, which in terms of price are in the middle.

Mod wice, on the high end it's okay, a lot of boro, but it also drops out some 510 mods, a year ago dicodes Qi, now dani micro 18500.
Evolv is working on launching DNA 60C, and DNA 80C to the boro world.
There is one Chinese high end that regularly comes with 510 mods.
However, there is a smaller number of mod makers.

When the Chinese get done with disposables, or that is to say, it looks like Europe gets done with them, they will produce something they usually did before, i.e. pods, 510 and what everyone is talking about today boro.

510 doesn't die out, the day it does vaping is dead too

 

[Darksand]

I tried to find out why there is less 510 gear out there and more and more AIO's and disposables.

I do not have the answer but i do have some idea's

First of all, most vapors don't know anything about gear. If I look around my environment. Family, friends, collegues, it seems nobody cares about the gear. In the beginning they did use the stuff I suggested, and only with my help, they did not put in much energy.

But now, with all the changes where it gets harder to buy or even find information about stuff, most of them use disposables. They just want an easy vape and here in the Netherlands, vaping 510 gear means you need coils, you need juice and maybe even spare parts. With a disposable, you can just stick it in your mouth, and buy a new one when it is empty.

I think the majority of vapors are like this. The people on this forum are more the Entousiasts. I bet I would never see any of my relatives or friends on a forum like this.

Of course there are more reasons.

 

[Rossum]

With a disposable, you can just stick it in your mouth, and buy a new one when it is empty.

If it were me, I would always keep two on hand, and buy another when the first one is empty.

Then there's the cost. I go through about $60-$75 worth of consumables per year. Nic, PG, VG, flavoring, and batts. I don't know how much disposables cost, but I figure it's got to be at least an order of magnitude more.