Super sweet - Capella Flavors, muting flavours?

[RuiG]

Hello everyone.

I had good results with my first DIY liquids but I think there's a hiddin problem with them. The flavour percentages are around 10% but because I like them sweet, I adjusted the amount of Super sweet - Capella Flavors and flavour dropped a lot.

Is it normal to have this sweetener damaging the flavour profiles?

If so, I'm not seeing an easy way to fix the liquids as they are now.


Thank you.

 

[Letitia]

Hello everyone.

I had good results with my first DIY liquids but I think there's a hiddin problem with them. The flavour percentages are around 10% but because I like them sweet, I adjusted the amount of Super sweet - Capella Flavors and flavour dropped a lot.

Is it normal to have this sweetener damaging the flavour profiles?

If so, I'm not seeing an easy way to fix the liquids as they are now.


Thank you.

Once muted by sweetener just adding more flavor usually won't help without diluting with more base. Better to just start from scratch imo.

 

[RuiG]

Once muted by sweetener just adding more flavor usually won't help without diluting with more base. Better to just start from scratch imo.

Just to make it clear. Can this really happen just because of sweetener?

Thank you for the help.

 

[Letitia]

Just to make it clear. Can this really happen just because of sweetener?

Thank you for the help.

Absolutely!
This is why I generally use other flavors to sweeten.

 

[Letitia]

Should mention that some flavors just plain fade quickly while others will disappear for a few days then make a lovely comeback overnight. Any time I have a mix that fades I throw it back in the box for a few weeks before making any decisions what to do with it.

 

[RuiG]

Absolutely!
This is why I generally use other flavors to sweeten.

Thank you.

That was the missing link that made me scratch my head. I either go no sweetener or add just a drop or two and go from there... I haded more than a few drops eheheh.

 

[Letitia]

Thank you.

That was the missing link that made me scratch my head. I either go no sweetener or add just a drop or two and go from there... I haded more than a few drops eheheh.

Might try VT sugar cane; my cousin is like you and wants a sweet juice. I've had good luck using the VT in her juices without getting muting over time. For her I use it .75-1.5%, for myself .25-.3. One drop of Cap super sweet was too much for me. Rick's sugar daddy is pretty popular, I have the vanilla one; taste is good but haven't tested yet in longer steeps.

 

[stols001]

Yes, sweetener mutes flavor. You won't find me using more than a drop of super sweet every 30 ml, and usually more like 60. You want to stay away from too much ethyl maltol, some can add mouthfeel but too much is bad.

If they're small mixes, yeah, you can toss em. Waiting to see if some change may be useful I guess.

In the interests of being a better mixer I recommend you try to fix a couple with dilution and substitution.

I have learned more from trying to fix my failures than I ever have from just mixing.. I usually will toss nothing without trying to fix it.

Except for the time I put the margarita and the gin and tonic in the same bottle. There was just no fixing that one.

OH! I guess it explains my juice that tastes of NOTHING it's probably just base. I should do something with that I guess.

Anna

 

[AngeNZ]

Hello everyone.

I had good results with my first DIY liquids but I think there's a hiddin problem with them. The flavour percentages are around 10% but because I like them sweet, I adjusted the amount of Super sweet - Capella Flavors and flavour dropped a lot.

Is it normal to have this sweetener damaging the flavour profiles?

If so, I'm not seeing an easy way to fix the liquids as they are now.


Thank you.

I love sweet juices too, and I use capella supersweet. But I only use it at a maximum of 0.5%, most times 0.25%.

Next mix - try it with no sweetener, if too meh, try supersweet @ 0.25%.

 

[vaper1960]

RuiG, what VG/PG ratio are you using?

 

[RuiG]

RuiG, what VG/PG ratio are you using?

I'm having this issue with 70vg/30pg and 50vg/50pg. I admit I was heavy on the sweetener. Perhaps between going from 1% up to 2%.

I browsed the web a bit and found this interesting article What about Sweeteners? – Flavor-Pro

 

[RuiG]

I love sweet juices too, and I use capella supersweet. But I only use it at a maximum of 0.5%, most times 0.25%.

Next mix - try it with no sweetener, if too meh, try supersweet @ 0.25%.

Next time I'll start with no sweetener. After it tastes good will put a drop at a time and test.

Thank you.

 

[DeloresRose]

Just to make it clear. Can this really happen just because of sweetener?

Thank you for the help.

I use SS because that does not mute flavors in my experience, while almost all the others do. But there are a lot of other factors. I would have to know a lot more details.

Some flavors mute by themselves, some need time to steep, and will get stronger over time. Some flavors are sweetened themselves, often with EM which will mute them, especially if your recipe has multiple sweetened flavors in it.

So there’s no one single fix for this. Start with one recipe and read up on all the ingredients. Look at other people’s recipe with those ingredients - how are they using them, what percentage, what flavors are they using them with?

Also, did you do a single flavor test with these flavors?

 

[RuiG]

I use SS because that does not mute flavors in my experience, while almost all the others do. But there are a lot of other factors. I would have to know a lot more details.

Some flavors mute by themselves, some need time to steep, and will get stronger over time. Some flavors are sweetened themselves, often with EM which will mute them, especially if your recipe has multiple sweetened flavors in it.

So there’s no one single fix for this. Start with one recipe and read up on all the ingredients. Look at other people’s recipe with those ingredients - how are they using them, what percentage, what flavors are they using them with?

Also, did you do a single flavor test with these flavors?

No single test. My initial idea was to make them as single flavour liquids and after make the mix. It was one of those week working days when I have no patience and did all by instinct. Initially they tasted great. Only when I said "it needs to be sweeter" that I ruined them.

 

[DeloresRose]

No single test. My initial idea was to make them as single flavour liquids and after make the mix. It was one of those week working days when I have no patience and did all by instinct. Initially they tasted great. Only when I said "it needs to be sweeter" that I ruined them.

Working by instinct can be fine for cooking, if you have a knack for that. But apparently, it’s not working for you with mixing. I’ve been making all my own juice for about 6 years, I can wing it a bit now. But only because I was methodical until I had a good grasp on what i liked and how to get those results.

Start simple. Take notes. Read up. Measure accurately. You’ll waste less and learn faster.

 

[RuiG]

Working by instinct can be fine for cooking, if you have a knack for that. But apparently, it’s not working for you with mixing. I’ve been making all my own juice for about 6 years, I can wing it a bit now. But only because I was methodical until I had a good grasp on what i liked and how to get those results.

Start simple. Take notes. Read up. Measure accurately. You’ll waste less and learn faster.

I took notes of what I mixed. Saved them online in one of the recipies sites. They were really good without the abnormal amount of sweetener I added. One liquid is already saved.

Your advise was really helpful.

 

[RuiG]

Hello everyone.

Managed to save all mixes I made except one.

I already started making the new batches and will only add sweetener after steeping and first taste.

Thank you all for the kind help.