So is anything equal? The same concept in 10 models. Why?

[Phone Guy]

I'm new to this, but it seems to me there are only a handful of designs just being rehashed by 100 different manufactures.

Genesis style....what makes the kraken different from the aga, different from the rsst, different from the steam turbine, different from the pulse g...etc...etc...?

Bottom coil with tank... pro tank, taifun, kayfun, Russian, Fogger, aqua...

They all seem so similar, and reading thru people say xyz is so much better to abc, or abc a superior device when compared to its cloned counter part....

And I think it's funny how most thread hate clones, but it's always the cheap clones. Most people love the Russian which is a China cone but it's $90 USD....but the $30 clone is crap...even though they look so so similar.

I mean aren't the results similar in any given device? Regardless of price?

If a bottom coil feed device, like the taifun (example) cost $150 USD...and a inspired by device like say the Fogger is $30 USD, shouldn't the end result vape be at least similar?

Genesis....why is a $100 kraken better than a $20 rsst? The concept being the same. A tank, a wick inside the tank feeds juice to the coil. Fire the button, vapor...?

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[Lessifer]

Well, when you're in the realm of rebuildable atomizers, the most important factor is your ability to build it well and consistently.

After that, there are differences between all of the models that you mentioned which can affect the vape experience, though most will be somewhat minor unless it's something you pay close attention to.

Let's the the gennies:
Rsst - standard big top cap, small stock air hole, insulated wick hole, spring loaded positive post. This one is "sold" as a beginner gennie, it's supposed to be relatively easy to set up and will give you a decent gennie vape.
Kraken - I haven't looked too much into this one too much, but the keys seem to be that it has stock holes for dual wick/coil setup, a somewhat reduced air chamber, and adjustable air flow. All of those will let you customize your vape even more than the rsst.
Pulse-G - I've only seen the clone of this, but I'll assume the design is the same, this has a removable air chamber reducer. You can run it dual coil and it will be probably about the same as an aga-t2, or you can run it single coil and pop in the reducer. Smaller air chamber seems to provide a more concentrated flavorful vape.

 

[Traver]

And I think it's funny how most thread hate clones, but it's always the cheap clones. Most people love the Russian which is a China cone but it's $90 USD....but the $30 clone is crap...even though they look so so similar.

I mean aren't the results similar in any given device? Regardless of price?

If a bottom coil feed device, like the taifun (example) cost $150 USD...and a inspired by device like say the Fogger is $30 USD, shouldn't the end result vape be at least similar?

Ever consider that the $30 usually are crap and the $90 device is a well made mod. The $30 device is going to have cheap failure prone circuits, flimsy wiring and threads that may not last a week. That's before you even get into clones which may be even worse. Of course some may be better but you have to do you research.

 

[finagle69]

Don't worry. Sometimes I feel a little dirty when I use my Russian 91%. I then quickly swap to my Kayfun Lites.

 

[Thrasher]

well i have to say. if you use enough of one kind of atty you see the difference. first very few if any cheap geni's are built as well as a higher end unit. and before you think its just a tank with a hole in it you would be surprised at the quality differences unless it is a direct 1:1 clone. do the cheap ones work? sure but I never had a top shelf unit with a moving centerpost like the aga. or seen an AC9 leak like the rsst (ac9clone BTW).

as for vapor - many if not all genis vape different, many are very tuned and a lot of thought goes into the flavor profile and the actual way they are designed, cool, warm, thick and rich, dry and thin, dense vapor, wet vaper etc etc.
china takes whatever and just copies the idea more then the design profile. "people like the DID 20? we make copy" too bad they didnt carry over the quality with that copy lol so now those did copies sit and noone ever buys then even though they are like 8 dollars.

same with the taifun and kayfun. two different designs that are built two different ways.Im sure in their own ways they said I like the idea but I can make it better with this design so this is proof others are trying to replicate the same results using different methods instead of cloning or copying.

the fogger kayfun clones, aga's rsst and others are just cheap copies with no real innovation and the only purpose is to make a quick buck off someone else's ideas.

now about this.

And I think it's funny how most thread hate clones, but it's always the cheap clones. Most people love the Russian which is a China cone

in case you havent run across the information yet the russian is a direct copy of the kayfun brought to you buy one of the people that actually helped design the kayfun.

look at the russian compared to the 12 dollar versions and you will see except for the new finish it is a kayfun, build quality and all.whereas people are already reporting numerous problems with the really cheap ones.


I have been through dozens of genesis atty and I have yet to see two that have the same exact flavor profile. so to me it shows (out of the better ones) people are designing them to work a certain way. so in that respect choice is a good thing. took me a while to find the couple i really like.

personally It doesnt bother me people buy clones, but very few times do i see the quality get copied as well as the look of the device does. but they are getting better. i have several clone drippers that i think vape every bit as good as an original and now i am waiting on the taifun copy (not a fogger) and a kraken clone now to see how well they did.

when they do 1:1 they seem ok the problem is in many cases they just sort of make their own version of the style and it usually sucks.


as for the whole clone argument its easy to tell where some mods really come from when the original comes out and a week later china has an exact copy.

 

[WattWick]

I will be the first to admit this is a silly allegory; Why play a Stradivarius when you can have a China made violin for less than $50? They look pretty much the same, right? Same concept. Wooden box to amplify sound and a bunch of strings? Not saying any atty is a Stradivarius... still, as they say, the devil is in the details.

"Stainless steel" is a mixed bag of various alloys. I am willing to pay extra to have my atties made out of food grade stainless steel. I would pay extra to have atty posts made out of lead-free brass, and not just any unknown brass alloy. Same for proper glass tanks instead of plastic tanks.

Another point is that I know what I like. I don't go around buying every piece of gear I lay eyes on. I seek out those devices that do what I like, well. I am willing to pay some more for those few items. I still save a bunch of money compared to smoking ciggies. When I first started out, I wasted a whole lot of money on crap gear that will never see use again.

... and don't you be bad-mouthing the Kraken again!!

 

[Kemosabe]

i get fantastic vapes from inexpensive atomizers. thats all i buy. well, because thats all i can afford. i have vaped some high end attys at vape meets and i cannot tell the difference between those and my cheapos. both seem to vape fantastically. i do respect the high end makers however. one day i'd like to be able to purchase something of amazing quality- but for now im (happily) stuck with the low end stuff.

 

[Gummy Bare]

As mentioned before, sometimes the real item and the clone item is almost exactly the same. The Russian is a 1:1 clone of the kayfun. I have Russians and I have kayfuns. But the quality of the material and metal being used is not the same.

I've never found rust in one of my kayfuns. But just this weekend I did find rust in a Russian 91% that is all but brand new. The quality of the metal china uses most of the time is not high quality surgical/food grade metal like the American & European companies use.

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