Slightly damaged insulation ring on a 18650 battery

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NO! Absolutely and completely wrong!
(I say this out of concern here)


The insolation ring is called an insolution ring because it's insulating the positive from the negative! It is 100% important that the ring is intact.

The shrink wrap is there to hold it in place, that's it's real role.

batteries are a cylinder that the chemicals and contents are "poured" into it, making the whole battery body being negative with only the positive pin being separated by a VERY SMALL "gasket", and that INSULATION RING is covering that to ensure that nothing makes a contact between this 1-2mm area.

Look at the top of your batteries, that ring is hiding that tiny separation between the two poles.. the wrap is only there as a coating for most of the battery (and labels), and it's most important role is to hold that ring in place.

If that ring is damaged, you are risking a short.

That ring is the actual line of safety and defense to prevent you accidentally touching both poles together, including as you insert or remove the battery from your mod or charger as you drag this area across metal pins.

By the way, I have the same charger... pull the battery down, the spring loaded clips will go down and all you need is to pull the battery out, with the positive side not touching anything...

Same with inserting or removing from mods, always do it so that you put no pressure on the positive side.
You are forgetting the simple fact I already mentioned all the metal that makes up the negative pole of my battery is still completely covered with insulation, both in that particular area and everywhere else where it should be. Also, I already know exactly what's hidden underneath that insulation so there's really no need to remind me of that. Had the washer been truly as important as you say it is, manufacturers would immediately stop making it from flimsy thin plastic or even medium quality paper that's barely any stronger than a normal piece of printer paper. Finally, I also already implied it is impossible to pull the battery down because else I wouldn't be needing to press it down instead. :rolleyes:
 

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You are forgetting the simple fact I already mentioned all the metal that makes up the negative pole of my battery is still completely covered with insulation, both in that particular area and everywhere else where it should be. Also, I already know exactly what's hidden underneath that insulation so there's really no need to remind me of that. Had the washer been truly as important as you say it is, manufacturers would immediately stop making it from flimsy thin plastic or even medium quality paper that's barely any stronger than a normal piece of printer paper. Finally, I also already implied it is impossible to pull the battery down because else I wouldn't be needing to press it down instead. :rolleyes:

o_O

You could have a battery with almost every bit of the wrap torn to shred and it will not matter as it wouldn't be the real issue, not as long as that ring is in place, held down properly and prevents contact/a short between the poles. The whole of the battery isn't an issue whatsoever, the only real "danger zone" is the top, where the positive and negative are separated by a very small gasket/distance.

Seriously, all batteries that are cylindrical are made like this. Why they stick to a paper/plastic ring is because under normal usage it's enough, and cheap for them to make them that way. These batteries were/are intended for flashlights, to be wielded for cars and laptops and the such.. Vaping was not and still isn't a concern for these people, if anything, some actually have warning to not use their batteries for vaping purposes now.

This is no different from car engine gaskets being made of paper. These are very important so why are they still made out of paper? Because it does the job as intended.

Until you've seen a short happen, seen one of these batteries vent or worst, you lack giving them the respect that they deserve... I know that I wouldn't touch/use a battery with a busted ring until I've replaced it, no way in hell. So well, take it badly if you must, but I will "remind you" and state that you do not appear to understand the risk and the fact that the ring IS the most important safety feature on that battery. Put in another way.. if it wasn't "that important", why do you think that it's there then.

You asked if you should "retire" it, I'm giving you the answer: replace the ring (and the wrap) before you use it again, and in the meanwhile, put it away in a safe place. The goal is to prevent any chances of the negative making contact with the positive.

You came and asked about it... why are you so sure about it now? I know that I'm certain about my answer and the advice I'm giving you because I've done a lot of homework on these batteries, as when I first started getting mods that took these batteries I've had one vent on me because I didn't know at the time how important those rings were as I got it caught on my mod's contact pin.

For your charger, not sure what you're getting at as I stated, I have the very same D4 charger myself, and I've yet to have any issue because I pull the batteries down to remove them, preventing any sort of contact at the top. When I put them in, I pull the slider all the way down, put the battery positive side in first, and then release the slider.

Good luck, and hopefully you'll set aside your pride, accept that maybe, just maybe there's something to what I've stated to help you here.

But hey... if you want to insist with what you're saying here and not take the advice I'm providing, I guess that I'll see you as a news story at some point.
 
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You are forgetting the simple fact I already mentioned all the metal that makes up the negative pole of my battery is still completely covered with insulation, both in that particular area and everywhere else where it should be. Also, I already know exactly what's hidden underneath that insulation so there's really no need to remind me of that. Had the washer been truly as important as you say it is, manufacturers would immediately stop making it from flimsy thin plastic or even medium quality paper that's barely any stronger than a normal piece of printer paper. Finally, I also already implied it is impossible to pull the battery down because else I wouldn't be needing to press it down instead. :rolleyes:

Seriously? An eye roll when someone is trying to give you sound and safe advice on the most important part of the battery? You are the reason accidents happen because you think you know it all and assume you are going to live forever.



4:00 minute mark but I urge you to watch the entire video. Actually I urge you to start back smoking before you wind up on the news everywhere in a viral video because you don't listen.
 

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Just though I'd mention... WD-40 is NOT an actual lubricant, it's a Water Displacement agent, and while it does have some lubrication qualities upon spraying it, but it time, it will gum up, possibly dry out and you'll be left with a powder-like gritty coating that is actually quite bad for your devices. It's fine/great for temporarily unstuck some things, but in the long run, you should always wipe/clean anything that you use it on and lube with an appropriate lubricant. It this case, something non conductive, and a good silicone grease would be great.

Mea culpa. You are correct about WD-40. That was my bad for using a generic term (like Kleenex). :oops:

I said WD-40 but what I actually used was a lubricant. I don't remember the brand name offhand, but it was something along the lines of Liquid Wrench or Kroil. Silicone lubricant would probably be the best choice anyway. WD-40 will gum up firearms, for example, when used regularly but it is good for freeing things up quickly when they are stuck.
 

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Mea culpa. You are correct about WD-40. That was my bad for using a generic term (like Kleenex). :oops:

I said WD-40 but what I actually used was a lubricant. I don't remember the brand name offhand, but it was something along the lines of Liquid Wrench or Kroil. Silicone lubricant would probably be the best choice anyway. WD-40 will gum up firearms, for example, when used regularly but it is good for freeing things up quickly when they are stuck.
No problem, it just that I do see many people not know this and then later on they don't understand why they end up having trouble with what they used it on.

Aside helping loosening nuts and bolts, I never use WD-40, I make sure I use grease or lubricants accordingly.
 
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To the OP, if you insist on not believing me: Battery Safety by Mooch

Search for insulation ring to see what he states about them, which is the topic of this thread.

Mooch is the ultimate expert when it comes to batteries.

When should you replace a battery? | E-Cigarette Forum

Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum

+1 for battery safety from Mooch. I don't listen to anyone else. His advice is both very knowledgeable, and sound. You can never go wrong in listening to him.
 
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