Sigelei 75W Temperature Control starting point(s) for TC mode.?.?

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RichJacot

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I just rec'd the Sigelei 75W TC for my wife's birthday. I also got her a Subtank Mini with Ni200 coils. I'll figured this would get her started and I'll build here coils later on. I'll This is her/our first TC mod.. She currently has a ZMAX, ProVari that she uses kanger pro tanks on and a Unicorn 26650 mechanical mod with an ehpro big buddha RTA on it.

She typically uses the zmax and Provari for her other than tobacco flavors and the mechanical mod for strictly for the tobacco flavors.

Her VG/PG varies but 50/50 or 65/35 is the norm..

My question is what is a good starting point for temp and wattage in temp mode?

If I've forgotten to include any information that would affect your recommendations, please let me know.

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Set the wattage to around 40 or 45 watts (depending on how quick you want your ramp up time) and start the temp at 400. With TC, you don't need to adjust your wattage, you adjust your vape by adjusting the temperature. If 400 is not warm enough, not producing enough vapor, not producing enough flavor, then start turning up the temperature. If the juice start tasting a little burnt, then your temp is too high and you need to turn it down.

FWIW, when I vape on a TC device (doesn't matter the resistance of the coil), I always have all my TC devices set to 45 watts. My temp sweet spot will vary anywhere from 450 degrees to 520 degrees. With a brand new, clean coil, my temp will typically be around 520. As the coil gets more and more gunked, the higher temp will taste a little burnt, so I start turning the temp down.
 

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I find a 40 watt base is great for anything not involving a massive and complex coil build, and most of my juices respond well between 390 and 450 degrees F. I'd start about 350, maybe 375, and vape it, raising the temp 20 or 25 degrees per step until you get in the neighborhood of the temp/vapor you want, and then fine tuning.
 

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When the Ni coils get gunked up, can you clean them or do you have to scrap them and start over? I know you can't dry burn the, so what's the SOP for cleaning?
In the past I have soaked the nickel coils in vodka and then rinsed and let dry. That said, the second time using the coil, my experience has been that the coils last about half as long or a little less before it gets gunked up again. So now I don't even bother. This is with the pre-built nickel coils for the Atlantis/Triton. With the old style Subtank horizontal OCC's, I will rewick them.
 

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I find a 40 watt base is great for anything not involving a massive and complex coil build, and most of my juices respond well between 390 and 450 degrees F. I'd start about 350, maybe 375, and vape it, raising the temp 20 or 25 degrees per step until you get in the neighborhood of the temp/vapor you want, and then fine tuning.

I just realized that the Subtank mini has a suggested max of 30 watts. Is this going to be an issue using 40 watts as a starting point? I have to admit. I didn't realize this. :-(

I also ordered an eleaf lemo v2 with a roll of ni200. I've googled but I can't find the wattage range for the Lemo V2. Does anyone here happen to know what it would be?

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I just realized that the Subtank mini has a suggested max of 30 watts. Is this going to be an issue using 40 watts as a starting point? I have to admit. I didn't realize this. :-(

I also ordered an eleaf lemo v2 with a roll of ni200. I've googled but I can't find the wattage range for the Lemo V2. Does anyone here happen to know what it would be?

TIA
Then use 30 watts as your starting point. You can always adjust it up and down depending on how quickly it ramps up.
 

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I just realized that the Subtank mini has a suggested max of 30 watts. Is this going to be an issue using 40 watts as a starting point? I have to admit. I didn't realize this. :-(

I also ordered an eleaf lemo v2 with a roll of ni200. I've googled but I can't find the wattage range for the Lemo V2. Does anyone here happen to know what it would be?

TIA
With TC, the mod will decide what wattage to put on the coil to hold the set temp. Setting the watts does nothing more than gives it a "do not exceed" maximum. I don't think it will make a difference because the mod will back off the max as soon as temp is reached, but set it at 30 if you like. As for the Lemo, there's no real limit. The limit is to protect the coil, not the tank. Since you're building you coils in the Lemo, you can set your own limits. For a massive and complex coil build like dual twisted claptons or something, you'll need a lot of watts to heat it up quickly so you don't have to wait for vapor. But in that case, the mass of the coil will ptevent it from burning out. They limit it on pre-made coils because they use much thinner wire than you will. For an example, I use 28ga wire in my TC Lemo builds, and 40 watts does me fine.
 

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Thank you guys but it appears I asked my question too soon. lol

The side of the Kanger Ni200 coil says 20W-45W, so it looks like I should be fine anywhere within the suggested wattage's mentioned above.

I'll be giving it to here Saturday morning and we'll see how she likes it and where she settles on watts and temp.

Thanks again All! Great forum!
 

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    Many have reported mixed results with the Kanger (and aftermarket) premade NI coils. While I found that I can get better vapor production with my own coils with the RBA, I've did not had an issue with the store bought NI coils. (YMMV)

    I've been using everything from 28AWG to 32AWG in the Limo2 for TC mode. Ni200 is naturally 'springy' so when letting go after making a tight wrap they will naturally spread out. I've also tried everything from 5-10 wraps and 2.5-3.5mm ID. Just make sure that the wick extends down to the bottom of the 'deck' to avoid leaking.

    The Lemo2 has become my 'daily tank' as the top fill feature makes it easy to refill without getting juice on the outside of the tank and on my fingers and mod.
     

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    I will be building all of her coils soon after with the RBA the subtank came with and of course the Lemo2. I really just bought the initial 5 pk of ni200 coils so she could start using it as soon as she opens it on her birthday as we will be traveling. ;-)

    Do you use tempered Ni200 or not tempered?

    What does anyone recommend, tempered Ni200 or not?
     
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    Many have reported mixed results with the Kanger (and aftermarket) premade NI coils. While I found that I can get better vapor production with my own coils with the RBA, I've did not had an issue with the store bought NI coils. (YMMV)

    I've been using everything from 28AWG to 32AWG in the Limo2 for TC mode. Ni200 is naturally 'springy' so when letting go after making a tight wrap they will naturally spread out. I've also tried everything from 5-10 wraps and 2.5-3.5mm ID. Just make sure that the wick extends down to the bottom of the 'deck' to avoid leaking.

    The Lemo2 has become my 'daily tank' as the top fill feature makes it easy to refill without getting juice on the outside of the tank and on my fingers and mod.
    I have found the Kanger ni200 OCC's to be very inconsistent. So much so that I've given up on using them on my Subtanks. On most occasions, what would happen is that the coil would register as 0.15 ohms when you first start using it and it works great. Then a half hour or an hour passes and the resistance drops to 0.12. Then the vapor production drops off like crazy and the only way you can get any vapor out of the coil is to crank up the temp all the way up to above 550 degrees or even higher. And once this happens, removing the atty to try to reset the coil doesn't help.

    I pretty much use only Aspire tanks for TC now. The Vaporshark ni200 coils for the Atlantis are awesome. They're rock solid and the resistance never wanders like the Kanger OCC's. I have one in an Atlantis 2 and have been using it for over 4 weeks now (and have gone through over 60 mls of juice on that coil) and it still works great and still registers at 0.15 ohms. The only downside is price. These coils come out to be over $4 a piece.

    I have also tried the vAir-T 0.25 ohm nickel coils and they're ok, not great. The build quality is inconsistent. The center pins are in there pretty loose (one even fell out on me when I was handling the coil). The coil has an adjustable juice flow control, but I think the juice still seeps in around the control ring. I used one fully open in a Triton and it leaked juice through the coil and down into the air flow base. I now use these coils in Atlantis 2's and they work fine so long as I have the juice flow turned down quite a bit. Also, once you have been using the coil for a while, the organic cotton starts to shred around the center of the coil. After using the coil for about a week, I can look down the center of the coil and see some loose cotton poking out of the coil, which I then clean out using tweezers. The price is good though, being just under $10 for a 5-pack.

    I've heard that the eLeaf nickel coils made for the Melo and iJust2 will fit the Atlantis, so I've ordered some and will try it. The wick holes looks to be about the same size as the Vaporshark coils. Price is about $1-2 more than the vAir-T's for a 5 pack. I've also heard that the Smok Subverter nickel coils will fit the Atlantis, so I've ordered some as well. I do like the larger wick holes (comparable in size to the newer low-ohm Atlantis coils). That should help if you're using high VG juices, although I have used Max VG juices with the Vaporshark nickel coils without any issues. They're priced about the same as the eLeaf coils.

    I also got a Freemax Starre Pro and so far have just used their stock 0.25 ohm nickel coil. Works great although I do seem to detect a slight metallic aftertaste.
     

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    I will be building all of her coils soon after with the RBA the subtank came with and of course the Lemo2. I really just bought the initial 5 pk of ni200 coils so she could start using it as soon as she opens it on her birthday as we will be traveling. ;-)

    Do you use tempered Ni200 or not tempered?

    What does anyone recommend, tempered Ni200 or not?
    I've heard tempered ni200 is easier to work with since it is stiffer. Plain ni200 is extremely soft, so it is very easy to deform the coil even when trying to rewick it.
     

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    I have found the Kanger ni200 OCC's to be very inconsistent. So much so that I've given up on using them on my Subtanks. On most occasions, what would happen is that the coil would register as 0.15 ohms when you first start using it and it works great. Then a half hour or an hour passes and the resistance drops to 0.12. Then the vapor production drops off like crazy and the only way you can get any vapor out of the coil is to crank up the temp all the way up to above 550 degrees or even higher. And once this happens, removing the atty to try to reset the coil doesn't help.

    I guess I never used the OCC's for very long to notice the issues with them. I'll agree that the VS Atlantis coils have been a nice surprise, while very expensive for any long term use they seem to function well and for a long time. I did find a source for some alternate ones which cut the price to < $10 for a pack of 5. I have not tried one of these as of yet.

    I really liked my Atlantis2 but I guess not enough to pony up the $$ for the coils (TC or otherwise). I get the same kind of awesome airflow in one of my other tanks and it only takes self made coils.
     

    RichJacot

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    Well my wife loves it.

    With the Subtank mini she had to lower the watts to about 26-27 to keep it from popping when she fires it. Anyone else having this issue with the mini?
    She has the temp. set at about 430 and is enjoying the flavor.

    She would like to run the watts a bit higher but she doesn't like the juice popping. Is there a way to prevent that or does it just happen with certain juices?

    Thanks you all for the starting point tips.
     
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