Should I DTL 35mg or MTL 6mg? Need Recs.

[NickRazz]

Beginner vaper here. Been using disposables for a month. Haven't smoked since I started vaping. So I just ordered an actual kit from a local shop, which I'm yet to receive. But I need advice on a few pedantic details.

I am an ex-smoker that used to smoke 35-40 cigs a day not long ago. I have extreme nic cravings. (Sweats, shaky hands, nausea and such). vaping has helped me keep it under control for about 3 weeks now, and I haven't smoked a single cig during this time. Which is something I'm really proud of.

I know that smokers need to vape MTL to get the same feel as smoking a cig. Thing is, I was smoking cigs DTL. I didn't know I was doing it, it's just how I breathe. I only realized now that I'm reading about all these lingo and specs.

The pod kit I selected is basically best for DTL (Ageis Boost LE - I don't have that many options where I live). So I know I have to use a low nic e juice, probs about 3-6mg.

1. Is this going to be enough to keep myself in check?
2. Do you think I need to start at a higher nic content like 25mg or 35mg?
3. If I do, what kind of pod kit do I select? Because I can't MTL with the Boost LE. And I know I shouldn't DTL high nic juice. Thank you!

PS: Really new to this subject. I only have a few weeks of knowledge about this so if I'm wrong about something, I would really appreciate it if someone can correct me.

 

[Territoo]

The "rules" about what strength you should vape on what type of device are only guidelines. What works best to get you to stop smoking without getting nic sick is what's right. My advice to a former heavy smoker coming off disposables is to go with a higher nicotine salts, which will work well with your device. Commercial juice rarely comes higher than 24mg/ml, so I'd start there. If that isn't enough for you you can try and find higher nic content or DIY your juice. If you get symptoms of nic sickness (dizzines, nausea, palpitations), either vape less or go lower on the nicotine. Either way, good luck to you, congratulations on quitting smoking, and welcome to ECF.

 

[Rm1996]

Hi, NickRazz!
At the first place, In your situation i would recommend to choose liquids strenght by the coilhead that you are acceptable by, so you won't overdose easily.
If you prefer to use 0,3/0,4/0,6ohm coils, i would say you should take 6mg or even 12mg of classical nicotine 70/30 (VG/PG) juice.
If you prefer 1,2ohm coils - then i would recommend choosing liquids with nicotine salt, that are not stronger then 20mg (in Europe) and not stronger than 30mg (stronger than that will get you eventually more addicted) if you are based in any other location that allows such high nicotine rates. Your device should work well with both 70/30 and 50/50 liquids with 1,2ohms.

*Nicotine salt juices (those are mostly common upon disposables, there are almost none in the market with classical nicotine) usually are softer, with les throat-hit and high nicotine rates, but on the other hand - it will keep you addicted to high nicotine rates due to high nicotine daily intake.
*Classical/traditional nicotine juice does have higher throat-hit, so you might get same feeling that you "smoked enough" with lower nicotine doses, as such as 6 or 12.

In my personal opinion, it's better to vape more of liquid, that are at lower levels, than les with higher levels of nicotine. I'm using this method by my self, and i know many people that does the same and even those that eventually quit vaping in the end by doing this.

You did a good job that you quit smoking. Best of luck!

 

[NickRazz]

The "rules" about what strength you should vape on what type of device are only guidelines. What works best to get you to stop smoking without getting nic sick is what's right. My advice to a former heavy smoker coming off disposables is to go with a higher nicotine salts, which will work well with your device. Commercial juice rarely comes higher than 24mg/ml, so I'd start there. If that isn't enough for you you can try and find higher nic content or DIY your juice. If you get symptoms of nic sickness (dizzines, nausea, palpitations), either vape less or go lower on the nicotine. Either way, good luck to you, congratulations on quitting smoking, and welcome to ECF.

Hey! Thanks for the welcome. My local shop has salt base with 35-50mg/ml. FIFTY. I was about to order a bottle of 50mg juice without knowing i shouldn't use high nic for DTL.

But i guess i get what you mean. high nic through MTL is better to cut the cravings.

If you prefer to use 0,3/0,4/0,6ohm coils, i would say you should take 6mg or even 12mg of classical nicotine 70/30 (VG/PG) juice.

This is exactly what i ordered. "BLVK Hundred - Blue Mint" 70VG/30PG.

 

[Rm1996]

And if using nicotine salts or other juices that goes 50/50, keep in mind that it's not likely for your 0,3/0,4/0,6 coils to support it. You might get dry vapor and even leaks (and those can be nasty)

 

[smacuser]

Most folks who DL require lower lower nic because it’s a more concentrated delivery. MTL requires higher nic.

 

[NickRazz]

Just got the kit and the juice delivered. BLVK Hundred "Blue Mint" is absolute butthole. It's like i'm snorting cough syrup ugh

 

[GeorgeS]

First off, when it comes to vaping, there are no rules - do whatever works for you.

When I first made the switch only low vapor output devices were available and freebase nicotine. As a 1-2 PAD smoker they recommended 18-24mg nic juice.

It should be noted that freebase nic does not absorb into the blood stream as readily as nicotine salts however at the above mg levels provides a fairly decent 'throat hit'. IDK of many that vaped freebase at higher than 24mg.

Over the years higher and higher vapor output devices came on the market and I've adjusted my vaping accordingly. While I still vape 18mg freebase (and nicotine salts) often, my 'goto' nicotine level for both types of nicotine is 7mg.

Why?

If your prone to 'chain vaping' (or chain smoking before) I'd recommend using low to fairly low mg juice as it is fairly easy to make yourself sick (nicotine over dose!) from vaping to much! (be it freebase or salts)

This is why most recommend a high/low or low/high setup:
- high nicotine/low vapor output (MTL)
- low nicotine/high vapor output (DTL)

Granted if you are careful it really does not matter but the headache, upset stomach and di-ar-rhea from nicotine overdose is NOT fun! (don't ask how I know. )

In situations where I know there will be a hour or a few hours between being able to vape (like 15min break or 1/2hr lunch - driving to/from work are examples) I'll use the 18mg setup. However in situations where I can vape as much or often as I'd like, I grab a 7mg setup.

It is estimated that ~10 draws on a MTL/low output device with 35-50mg nicotine salts will put approximately the same amount of nicotine in your blood stream as smoking an American cigarette. (give or take)

One of the reasons nicotine salts was invented, to more closely emulate the effects of actually smoking.




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[NickRazz]

First off, when it comes to vaping, there are no rules - do whatever works for you.

When I first made the switch only low vapor output devices were available and freebase nicotine. As a 1-2 PAD smoker they recommended 18-24mg nic juice.

It should be noted that freebase nic does not absorb into the blood stream as readily as nicotine salts however at the above mg levels provides a fairly decent 'throat hit'. IDK of many that vaped freebase at higher than 24mg.

Over the years higher and higher vapor output devices came on the market and I've adjusted my vaping accordingly. While I still vape 18mg freebase (and nicotine salts) often, my 'goto' nicotine level for both types of nicotine is 7mg.

Why?

If your prone to 'chain vaping' (or chain smoking before) I'd recommend using low to fairly low mg juice as it is fairly easy to make yourself sick (nicotine over dose!) from vaping to much! (be it freebase or salts)

This is why most recommend a high/low or low/high setup:
- high nicotine/low vapor output (MTL)
- low nicotine/high vapor output (DTL)

Granted if you are careful it really does not matter but the headache, upset stomach and di-ar-rhea from nicotine overdose is NOT fun! (don't ask how I know. )

In situations where I know there will be a hour or a few hours between being able to vape (like 15min break or 1/2hr lunch - driving to/from work are examples) I'll use the 18mg setup. However in situations where I can vape as much or often as I'd like, I grab a 7mg setup.

It is estimated that ~10 draws on a MTL/low output device with 35-50mg nicotine salts will put approximately the same amount of nicotine in your blood stream as smoking an American cigarette. (give or take)

One of the reasons nicotine salts was invented, to more closely emulate the effects of actually smoking.




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What the heck? You get di-ar-rhea from vaping? I think I might be chain vaping because it's only been 8 days since i picked up this kit and i'm already at 1222 puffs. I am on a 50mg nic salt atm and i gotta say i very rarely even get a nic high. I thought the packaging this liquid came in looked a bit shoddy too so i don't know if it's legit BLVK stuff. Although, i don't get the urge to smoke anymore so that's a plus...

 

[Toots]

Hang in there.
Finding your individual solution to vape perfection may take some trial and error. Some of us enjoy both DTL and MTL, whichever we are in the mood for.
Flavor preferences are also extremely varied. You do have an advantage over many of us seasoned vapers. Most hardware today is far superior and more reliable that the fiddley devices we started out with. And the flavors are also so abundant and available.
Try to enjoy the journey to being smoke free as best you can.
I have had flavors that I found vile. When I tried them again at a later date, I enjoyed them very much. Or sometimes I mix the flavors that I am not so fond of, with another flavor that I thought would complement them. Then there are those flavors that would never touch my lips again. It is a journey that is well worth the effort. There are few things more enjoyable to me than a mightly fine vape.
And forget the puff count. Vape till you drop if it keeps you off of cigarettes. Don't be scared of nicotine in vapor.
Good luck and best wishes for success.

 

[GeorgeS]

What the heck? You get di-ar-rhea from vaping? I think I might be chain vaping because it's only been 8 days since i picked up this kit and i'm already at 1222 puffs. I am on a 50mg nic salt atm and i gotta say i very rarely even get a nic high. I thought the packaging this liquid came in looked a bit shoddy too so i don't know if it's legit BLVK stuff. Although, i don't get the urge to smoke anymore so that's a plus...

Yup. OD on nicotine and all sorts of not fun stuff happens.

Frankly I'd question if your juice is really what it claims to be on the label.

Personally the 'real test' is the first few vapes after a long period of NO nicotine ingestion - (IE: just getting up after >=8hrs of sleep). Personally only then is when I might experience a 'nicotine rush' feeling - much like first few puffs on a smoke/cigar did back in the day.


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[AXIOM_1]

Best advice Nick is to get the heck out of Sri Lanka where you can get some good nicotine

You DO NOT have to do MTL vaping in order to be able to quit smoking and to get a satisfying sensation from vaping.... That is a myth and I am living proof of it....... You can do DL or RDL if you desire.... Also, you do not need to go way down to 3MG nicotine if you are doing DL vaping like lots of folks do...... I make my juices at 7MG/ml when doing DL.............. The reason why I do 7mg instead of 3mg is because it provides a slight throat hit when doing DL vaping. Also, when I do 3mg in DL mode then I don't get enough nicotine and find myself chain vaping... Since I am a high wattage vaper then I plow through the juice and by using 7mg of nicotine as opposed to 3mg, then I don't have to plow through so much juice because I don't have to vape as much.... But just be careful with DL vaping because you don't want to go very strong on the nicotine due to the fact that when you do DL vaping, you are inhaling vastly more vapor at higher wattage and so your body is getting far more nicotine with each hit off the vape device.... I have tried 12mg while doing DL vaping but the throat hit is way too strong plus it gets me nic sick..... I don't dare go past 7mg while doing DL vaping...... I also do MTL vaping at times and I use 12mg of nicotine in my juices while doing MTL vaping.... When doing MTL vaping a person is operating at lower wattage and so smaller amounts of vapor are being inhaled compared to DL vaping causing you to get smaller amounts of nicotine with each draw and that is why MTL vapers often use higher nicotine.

 

[GeorgeS]

Keep in mind folks that studies have shown that the majority of the nicotine in our vapor is absorbed by the mouth+nose+sinus passages and very little is actually absorbed by the lungs.

With the above said generally the MTL folk are drawing in small amounts (filling mouth only) of vapor at a time and then ether inhaling it and then exhaling it or simply letting it out via mouth or nose (with no inhale).

While generally the DTL folks are filling their lungs with the vapor before exhaling it.

It is said that the restricted/MTL more closely resembles smoking tobacco while the DTL more closely resembles smoking other substances.


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[Coyote628]

35mg in a DTL? You must have lungs of steel.