Question,why would people prefer RTA over sub ohm

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tj99959

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    rta (Rebuildable tank Atomiser), it's in the name @tj99959.

    ROFL: Yes and it's also in the name RDA (Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer)

    NOW-AGAIN ...... WHICH RTA?!?
    Over the years there have probably been a hundred RTA's to choose from.
    (and they're NOT all equal)
    Some use drop in coils AND have a build deck if you choose.
     
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    Asbestos4004

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    ROFL: Yes and it's also in the name RDA (Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer)

    NOW-AGAIN ...... WHICH RTA?!?
    Over the years there have probably been a hundred RTA's to choose from.
    (and they're NOT all equal)
    Some use drop in coils AND have a build deck if you choose.
    You’re just not getting it, TJ! They are talking about the kind you put juice in. :lol::lol::lol:
     

    virm

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    OP looks byebye...
    confusion seems to be subohm=stock coils only. rta=MTL ones only.

    clarification: RTA can be both subohm=DL or highohm=MTL. readymade stock coils can be both subohm=DL or highohm=MTL. RDA can be both...............

    RTA can be difficult or easy depending on deck.

    some tanks guzzle. some don't. but yes, DL/subohm consumes more than MTL/highohm.

    i feel like a 5yearold explaining to professors. so advanced you didn't see what the piece the OP didn't know?
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    I MTL using 28g ss 0.4 ohm coils in a MTL rta at 10w 190c. SUBOHM

    To make it all even more meaningless I have a 28g ss, 0.54ohm coil in a Oumier wasp rdta that I am DLing at 12w and 195c. SUBOHM



    The terminology we use is meaningless or is used incorrectly.
     
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    virm

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    I MTL using 28g ss 0.4 ohm coils in a MTL rta at 10w 190c. SUBOHM

    To make it all even more meaningless I have a 28g ss, 0.54ohm coil in a Oumier wasp rdta that I am DLing at 12w and 195c. SUBOHM



    The terminology we use is meaningless or is used incorrectly.

    HELLOwHElloW jebbiiiino!
    point well taken. i mean insofar as much terminology is inaccurate and only marks trends... last guide i read put the shift point/vaping zero, if you would, :lol: at 0.7ohm.
    these are close to midway resistances and if between AF, juice and ... your tongue skilzz:p you can get enough head to get a vape going then
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    but yoy can't get anything out of .2ohm at 10w. in my rtas.. bet not even at 20w in some airyer tanks, o've never tried an super airy rtas or stocks but i'm.. skrrs i had the qf coils cor insyance.. that wont even say heloo @30w i reckon

    so idonno still useful, however inakkooratt

    im writing sidways wiyh one hand sorry
    i also have odd humor, sorrier

    btw s/he os making similar post all over... feels lish like schpamm
    low wattage vs high wattage
     
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    PapawBrett

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    Being an old fart. I would have to ask "What does sub-Ohm mean these days ?"
    If we mean less than 1.0 Ohms (from several years ago) then I sub-ohm with Stainless Steel wire inside of an RTA. That's how I set up my Temp. Controlled vaping gear.
    If we are talking cloud size, please grow up. I'll vape as I want to.
    If we are talking personal preference (like the O.P.) then to each their own.
     

    evan le'garde

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    When i first started vaping i used cig-a-likes which didn't produce enough vapour, so i had to use 45mg juice. Typically i moved onwards and upwards and three quarters of the way round the curve i started sub ohming with dual coil tanks. Now all i'm using are RTA's with single 1 ohm coils exclusively.

    The sub ohm phase was "overkill" and there was never a real need for it if i had realised at the time all i really needed was a decent RTA.
     
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    Ryedan

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    Being an old fart. I would have to ask "What does sub-Ohm mean these days ?"
    If we mean less than 1.0 Ohms (from several years ago) then I sub-ohm with Stainless Steel wire inside of an RTA. That's how I set up my Temp. Controlled vaping gear.

    Totally agree with you on this :) . I'm vaping a 0.4 ohm SS build in a DoggyStyle at 10.5 watts right now and it is a very nice vape. So why do people still talk about sub-ohm as if it implies high wattage? That made sense in the days of mech mods when the most power you could get from a regulated mod was 15 watts and everyone was using Kanthal. Today, resistance alone doesn't give us much information about how a build will vape.
     

    evan le'garde

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    So why do people still talk about sub-ohm as if it implies high wattage?

    I could be wrong but i think it's the nature of this thread. I'm assuming the op refers to drop in type sub ohm tanks verses RTA's. Drop in style tanks usually means higher power. So i suppose this thread is exclusively about that.

    I build a simple 5 wrap 1 ohm no frills coil using 29g kanthal in an RTA and vape at 11.5 watts, MTL. Really easy to build and only takes a few minutes. Bog standard !.

    How many wraps go into your 0.4ohm coil ?. And what made you decide to use ss coils at 0.4ohm's ?. And is that DTL ?, or is it MTL ?.
     

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    I could be wrong but i think it's the nature of this thread. I'm assuming the op refers to drop in type sub ohm tanks verses RTA's. Drop in style tanks usually means higher power. So i suppose this thread is exclusively about that.

    I build a simple 5 wrap 1 ohm no frills coil using 29g kanthal in an RTA and vape at 11.5 watts, MTL. Really easy to build and only takes a few minutes. Bog standard !.

    How many wraps go into your 0.4ohm coil ?. And what made you decide to use ss coils at 0.4ohm's ?. And is that DTL ?, or is it MTL ?.

    Yes, most drop in style heads and tanks are designed for more than say 11 watts, though there are a few that go that low. I was just commenting on the old idea of sub-ohm meaning high power and that that isn't really relevant anymore.

    If you're familiar with the DoggyStyle tank, it does well between about 8 - 30ish watts. It can be vaped MTL, but I vape it DL. I think the air hole under the coil is about 1.7 mm which may be a bit big for a great MTL experience. My build is 3mm ID, 28 gauge SS with 4/3 wraps. Looks like this on Steam Engine. My juice is all PG with some flavoring including some menthol and generally 1.5 mg/ml nic. This build in this tank maxes out the the low TH and gives me good flavor. If I use one more wrap the TH goes down and the flavor increases a bit.

    I'm also using a Aqua V2 using Kanthal, dual coils, 30 gauge, 2mm ID at 0.46 ohms at 11 watts. Really like that vape too. This tank is better for MTL, but I also vape it DL. Using SS it would come in at about 0.22 ohms.

    I find SS and Kanthal vape pretty much the same for me. The advantage of SS is I can run it TC if I want to, but for daily vaping I always use VW.
     

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    RDA gave better flavour,but why would people prefer RTA over sub ohm.I have experience of building a RTA,but it’s very troublesome to change flavor and you need time to rebuild.Unlike sub ohm tank,you just change the coil and the percentage of leaking is so low compare to rebuilding a RTA
    I would say that it's very problematic to change the flavor in a sub ohm tank because you have to throw away a good coil. I've only been building since October and I can pop out a coil and Wick in a fidgety RTA within 2 or 3 minutes. And I'm pretty slow so I'm sure there's people that are much faster than me. I just like to have the control and the fact that I can always get wire but can't always get coils. But the main reason is because I vastly prefer the flavor that I get off of an RTA because I can build it how I want. And that's only if we're talking about rta's vs Sub ohm tanks with commercial coils I like sub ohm tanks that have RBA heads
     

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    An atomizer must fit an individuals needs and values. There are valid debates on an RTA being more flexible and cost efficient than an atomizer that is usually, and incorrectly referred to as a sub ohm tank. But those debates maybe irrelevant to an individual for they may feel the convenience of quickly swapping out drop in coils outweighs the cost efficiency and flexibility of an RTA. With that said, the best atomizer is the one that suites an individuals needs and values the most. What ever keeps you off the cigarettes!
     

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    As for sub ohm (as referred to as resistance under 1 ohm). There are limitations to the wire in which we use. We work within those limitations to produce a coil that suites our needs. A particular resistance can be obtained in many ways, but the resulting dimensions and other attributes related to that metal may not fall within our needs.

    A 1 ohm coil can be made from 28 awg Kanthal, or it could be made from 24 awg Kanthal. Resistance and metal are the same, but these are 2 vastly different coils that require vastly different power outputs in order to operate. For those who feel a 1 ohm 24 awg Kanthal coil may be unrealistic, I am vaping one right now! High resistance with high(ish) wattage is more common than some may think. John, one the engineers behind Evolv’s DNA boards, stated one of the design goals with the DNA 75C was to increase its voltage output due to public demand of wanting to vape high resistance at high wattage.

    That 1 ohm 28 awg Kanthal could be substituted with Ni80, SS316L, Ti1 or Ni200, which if the same dimensions were kept, the other metals would result in a lower “sub ohm” resistance. And if the same dimensions were kept, they would all be suitable for similar MTL vape, sans a slight adjustment in power to accommodate each metals unique properties such as Specific Heat Capacity and mass.

    And if we took that 1 ohm coil made from 24 awg Kanthal and started to remove wraps the result would be a lower resistance coil that is also lower in mass which would mean less power is required. A 0.4 ohm coil of this same wire could result in a very suitable MTL coil. And again if other metals were used but the same dimensions where kept, we would achieve a lower resistance coil that would only require a slight adjustment in power due to the metals properties.

    These are just some examples that display resistance is not a defying factor especially when using a variable device that allows a user to adjust the output. One could achieve a hot high resistance vape just as they could achieve a cooler low resistance vape and vice versa.

    A fixed voltage source such as a mech, resistance plays more of an important role for it will dictate the output. But the other attributes of Specific heat and mass still have an effect. The 1 ohm coil made from both 28 awg and 24 awg will result in the same output from a fixed voltage source. But their vastly difference in mass would result in a vastly different vape experience (the 24 awg would probably result in not much of anything)
     
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