- Status
The problem I have with a term MTL is that it is used most often to describe very tight draw... not actual inhaling method. Very often I see mention that "proper" MTL tank has to have tiny hole under coil to offer "true MTL"... for me it does not make any sense...
For me difference between MTL and DTL is not how tiny that hole is but the way people vape. It is hard for me to describe what I mean... so I will use drinking analogy... DTL is gulping/swallowing huge volume of of your favorite beverage (soda juice, beer, wine, tea, coffee....) almost directly to your throat/stomach... when I am very thirsty or in hurry I enjoy this method...
MTL is for me as drinking at normal leisurely speed and volume... some like to suck with tight straws some prefer wider straws and some prefer to fill their mouth directly from glass/mug/cup with bigger or smaller sips...but they hold it for a moment in their mouth before swallowing...or pour it directly to throat but at much slower pace than DTL.
DTL tanks and coils are build to provide maximum volume of vapor in relative short time so using them for MTL is not practical or enjoyable... to those that like very tight draw... but for those who enjoy MTL with less restricted draw and plenty of vapor such tanks exist... as I write this post I am vaping MTL on Uwell Crown with RBA deck, 0.86 ohm kanthal 26 gauge coil, rayon wick at 14 watts... very smooth, dense, lukewarm vape with great flavor... the only problem is that clouds are pretty big and room starts look like a sauna
For me difference between MTL and DTL is not how tiny that hole is but the way people vape. It is hard for me to describe what I mean... so I will use drinking analogy... DTL is gulping/swallowing huge volume of of your favorite beverage (soda juice, beer, wine, tea, coffee....) almost directly to your throat/stomach... when I am very thirsty or in hurry I enjoy this method...
MTL is for me as drinking at normal leisurely speed and volume... some like to suck with tight straws some prefer wider straws and some prefer to fill their mouth directly from glass/mug/cup with bigger or smaller sips...but they hold it for a moment in their mouth before swallowing...or pour it directly to throat but at much slower pace than DTL.
DTL tanks and coils are build to provide maximum volume of vapor in relative short time so using them for MTL is not practical or enjoyable... to those that like very tight draw... but for those who enjoy MTL with less restricted draw and plenty of vapor such tanks exist... as I write this post I am vaping MTL on Uwell Crown with RBA deck, 0.86 ohm kanthal 26 gauge coil, rayon wick at 14 watts... very smooth, dense, lukewarm vape with great flavor... the only problem is that clouds are pretty big and room starts look like a sauna
Maybe I am weird but I like a loose MTL and it may help that I use the Serpent SMM which is side AF and my drippers are side AF as well. LOL I tried someone's SMOK Prince tank the other day and I MTL'ed that sucker with the fat tip. Tasted pretty good to me and those are very airy tanks.
It may also help that I DIY my own juice, so if it needs more flavor, I can add it.
Me too and I think we are in the minority. I joke around and say I must be a lazy vaper. I mtl on a .5 coil, air flow open and I love it. I get nice clouds and great flavor.
Last edited:
Personally I consider it a "hybrid" style. MTL on a DL setup. I love it though. I am usually rocking a .5ohm SS316 coil at 435F TC. The clouds are more than plenty and good flavor.
Now that I think about it, since there are hybrid mods, in an effort to not confuse people maybe I should call it Chimera style. Sounds cooler anyway.
There are RDAs that were designed for MTL.
My initial point.
Atomizers are fundamentally designed for purpose.
"Generally speaking" though, someone will buy an RDA for direct to lung.
Generally speaking !.
But if an RDA is designed for MTL then that is a fundamental difference and not a linear/typical RDA product.
There is a basic understanding, within the vaping community, that RDA's are direct to lung devices.
But any listing which describes an atomizer for sale will include it's specific purpose.
I don't think it's weird, as today there is a wide array of ways to vape which is great. The more ways, the more it may attract smokers...so yes, if someone vapes a loose mtl, then I do believe there's more options then true mtl.
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Because vaping has changed so much in the past several years, some of the terms may seem wrong and not describe everyone's style, but those terms are still there and I still use them because that's all there was when I started. There was only mtl and mtl tanks and those tanks were tight with small airholes period and you simply drew some vapor in, held it for a milisecond, then inhaled. So for the tanks out there today, that are considered tight, with small af and you mtl the vape, I still consider it a true mtl vape as there are really no other terms for it.
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
The problem I have with a term MTL is that it is used most often to describe very tight draw... not actual inhaling method. Very often I see mention that "proper" MTL tank has to have tiny hole under coil to offer "true MTL"... for me it does not make any sense...
For me difference between MTL and DTL is not how tiny that hole is but the way people vape. It is hard for me to describe what I mean... so I will use drinking analogy... DTL is gulping/swallowing huge volume of of your favorite beverage (soda juice, beer, wine, tea, coffee....) almost directly to your throat/stomach... when I am very thirsty or in hurry I enjoy this method...
MTL is for me as drinking at normal leisurely speed and volume... some like to suck with tight straws some prefer wider straws and some prefer to fill their mouth directly from glass/mug/cup with bigger or smaller sips...but they hold it for a moment in their mouth before swallowing...or pour it directly to throat but at much slower pace than DTL.
DTL tanks and coils are build to provide maximum volume of vapor in relative short time so using them for MTL is not practical or enjoyable... to those that like very tight draw... but for those who enjoy MTL with less restricted draw and plenty of vapor such tanks exist... as I write this post I am vaping MTL on Uwell Crown with RBA deck, 0.86 ohm kanthal 26 gauge coil, rayon wick at 14 watts... very smooth, dense, lukewarm vape with great flavor... the only problem is that clouds are pretty big and room starts look like a sauna
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Well, to be fair, there are atomizers that say they can do both, and offer pretty wide air flow differences. I'd imagine with the right drip tip and coil, some of them can/could do both without a TON of difficulty. I do find more dedicated atomizers for MTL of use to me, but with that said, I like a tight to medium draw. But there are more and more "more adjustable atomizers."
I will say I won a kit that was an AOI, and started at 30 watts. It was really kind of out of my wheelhouse of wattage, but with the right coil (well, most right coil) and the right airflow and drip tip it wasn't terrible. Etc.
Anna
I will say I won a kit that was an AOI, and started at 30 watts. It was really kind of out of my wheelhouse of wattage, but with the right coil (well, most right coil) and the right airflow and drip tip it wasn't terrible. Etc.
Anna
Everyone finds a different sweet spot.
Right now I am using an N2 MTL at 14w, kind of high, but with 4 holes open. Getting great flavor and almost perfect analog type draw.
Right now I am using an N2 MTL at 14w, kind of high, but with 4 holes open. Getting great flavor and almost perfect analog type draw.
I can’t say about the Entheon, but to be fair I have the Hadaly clone, and I agree you can mtl with that, but that’s because it’s got really tight AF. I think it ought to be sold as a mtl. Compare that to a Pulse, night and day.
The Entheon is similar to the Hadaly. I would put them somewhere in the middle. They are way too lose if you are used to a true MTL tank like the Ares, but to me the Ares is way too tight. I don't like sucking a thick milkshake through a straw.
Haven’t tried the Ares, but it sounds like the Berserker. That’s like drinking a shake through a coffee stirrer lol. Not gonna say I hate it, it’s an easy build and doesn’t leak, but it takes some getting used to.
If you want an "open" sort of MTL draw that can be a restricted DL draw, I'd have to say the Siren V2 has the most open draw for me (although I like the Ares more closed down, it's still not more restricted than the Berserker. I'd likely not start with that, seriously.)
I'd say the most adjustable is the Siren V2, and I run mine wide open (it just seems to function better that way). I would caution that some folks find difficulty with flavor with this tank (seems to be a very individual thing, but people love it or hate it.) I am in the former category, it's my favorite MTL RTA so far (although the doggy style is great for flavor, the draw is also more restricted.) IDK.
I'd probably suggest the doggy style clone (can get at Fasttech the clones are said to be as good as the originals, although insanely hard to get, the original and kind of expensive) if you want something more restricted, and the Siren V2 (with the caveat that you will either love, or hate the flavor). Since you'd be building your own coils though, you'd probably have the option to put a lower ohm's coil in any, although airflow may restrict you from going super high wattage with any of these tanks. Of course, that's not really what a MTL RTA is designed to do, so the airflow matches what the tank is designed for, with "room" on either end. Etc.
Anna
I'd say the most adjustable is the Siren V2, and I run mine wide open (it just seems to function better that way). I would caution that some folks find difficulty with flavor with this tank (seems to be a very individual thing, but people love it or hate it.) I am in the former category, it's my favorite MTL RTA so far (although the doggy style is great for flavor, the draw is also more restricted.) IDK.
I'd probably suggest the doggy style clone (can get at Fasttech the clones are said to be as good as the originals, although insanely hard to get, the original and kind of expensive) if you want something more restricted, and the Siren V2 (with the caveat that you will either love, or hate the flavor). Since you'd be building your own coils though, you'd probably have the option to put a lower ohm's coil in any, although airflow may restrict you from going super high wattage with any of these tanks. Of course, that's not really what a MTL RTA is designed to do, so the airflow matches what the tank is designed for, with "room" on either end. Etc.
Anna
I am DL vaper. 8-10 W. 7 ml/day. 8-10 seconds draw. Draw after draw most of the day...
Kayfun 5, not fully open.
I mostly hate it, but I am hooked.
Kayfun 5, not fully open.
I mostly hate it, but I am hooked.
I remember when it was just vaping and not MTL or DTL. I don't even know which I am but I like it!
- Status
Similar threads
