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I'm still enjoying some of my (not that exotic) but exotic nonetheless coils. They last. They last a whole ton longer than many of my fastttech (and no, I doubt they are handmade either) coils, frankly.

I wind a coil when I have to, not before. It's nice to know I CAN but I'm lazy.

I am still working out my preference between SS and kanthal, honestly. I'm still convinced I may have a mild allergy to SS, I seem to cough more with those coils, but it could be a JILLION factors .I don't cough MUCH, but more. IDK.

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I'm still enjoying some of my (not that exotic) but exotic nonetheless coils. They last. They last a whole ton longer than many of my fastttech (and no, I doubt they are handmade either) coils, frankly.

I wind a coil when I have to, not before. It's nice to know I CAN but I'm lazy.

I am still working out my preference between SS and kanthal, honestly. I'm still convinced I may have a mild allergy to SS, I seem to cough more with those coils, but it could be a JILLION factors .I don't cough MUCH, but more. IDK.

Anna
Seems like most folks here prefer SS or Ni80. I've used both as well as kanthal, and not really sure if I prefer any of them over the other, lol.

I don't currently use TC, so that's not a factor for me. So when I buy pre-made coils, material doesn't really matter much to me. If I were doing TC, I'd probably be winding my own simple wire coils anyways. I can get a pretty good vape off any of the three wire types.

When doing MTL, I always use simple wire. Since I like higher resistances, I usually end up using kanthal for MTL.

For DTL, I've been using 0.3x0.9mm rectangle wire almost exclusively. It only available in SS316 and Ni80 I believe. I picked up both, but the Ni80 higher resistance is what I prefer. I'll use the SS316 if I decide to try TC in any of my DTL toppers.

So no real wire preference for me as long as I can get a good vape from it.

You mention about the cough, I've been having one since mid-November. No cold or anything. Vaped since it first began back in the day (Kanger EVODs, etc) and never had a nagging cough like this. I'm also trying to determine if I changed anything that could be causing the issue, but can't think of anything. Same VG/PG/nic, coil wire the same (Ni80 rectangle wire), nic strength that same, etc. I have a yearly checkup in May, going to ask the Dr for a chest x-ray if it hasn't gotten any better. Hopefully all those years of smoking haven't caught up with me.

Maybe I'll try switching to SS316 or kanthal for a bit.
 

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Thanks alot very good informtion! I should start using that method instead of brushing and scratching the coils. Also must be why the 1 quality brush i have is soft and bendy, while the cheaper ones are stiff af. Gonna buy sparkinling water today, very good lesson.

And thank you bombastinator for the info of TC. I was kinda worried my coils turned so bright while i pulsed. It was like that maybe for a second max. I prefer 30w per coil for hotspot testing, so 60w when dual setup. The coils dont change color that way, but if i dryburn dual setup like 35w it takes some time before they glow enough so the hotspots can be seen and they also change color.

Vaping and building is always learning im glad this thread taught me more. I was thinking brushing may not be that good but now i know better. I have to admit i did brush even when installing coils to even the hotspots. Ofc i used a different tool also but brushed too almoust every time. I think i noticed if i got bad hotspot and brush too much the coils get worse. Now im little better at building so the coils are pretty good allready when i get them in place. When i started i did get bad hotspots and ohms were nonsense readings, not what it was supposed to be. And the resistance changed alot. Now i get the right readings and resistance stay the same.
I prefer to start at even much lower wattages for hotspot testing, like only 25-30 watts with a dual coil setup. It simply depends on how fast the coils ramp up, and also it depends on their fragility. The whole philosphy is to be gentle with wire. Because, if using very thin wire for the wrap wire, it could much more easily get stressed very hard by the hot spots, and, I find that SS 316L wire is extremely very sensitive to the point of it not being capable to withstand much more than just a very subtle very dark red glow for very long so that also is part of why I don't use it for my builds. I.e., in advanced coil building, SS316L has a fairly strong tendency to lend itself better for splendid colorful art creations rather than functional builds that don't typically turn to waste after vaping on them for only a few days.

That said, if you have the time and patience and (especially) dedication for it and you aren't the clumsiest person alive as well as can pay good attention to small details, then I highly recommend learning to build your own advanced coils. Playing/experimenting with the airflow adjustment in cohort with the strength of your draw in cohort with the coil positioning, on a decent quality RDA can be rewarding. But if you already got that covered and you already know how to wick coils properly, and how to find the wattage that works best for you with a given coil build, and etc., then getting into advanced functional coil builds can, and does, really open some windows and doors when it comes to flavor production and depth of the flavor, and also when it comes to the feel of the vape that is naturally inseperable from the whole idea of discovering pathways towards better flavor IMO. This part of the hobby (if that) is for people who like trial and error aimed specifically at trying to predict new personal experiences based on past experiences with wire. Whatever you do, don't let the naysayers keep holding you back. Always remember. When you are dealing with possible different variations of clouds, the sky is the limit.
 
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I'm still enjoying some of my (not that exotic) but exotic nonetheless coils. They last. They last a whole ton longer than many of my fastttech (and no, I doubt they are handmade either) coils, frankly.

I wind a coil when I have to, not before. It's nice to know I CAN but I'm lazy.

I am still working out my preference between SS and kanthal, honestly. I'm still convinced I may have a mild allergy to SS, I seem to cough more with those coils, but it could be a JILLION factors .I don't cough MUCH, but more. IDK.

Anna
I'm lazy because I only build coils once or maybe twice every couple of months. It looks difficult at first, but that view changes radically with practice.

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My opinion on that is varying a bit. The deal is I don’t vape much above 50w absolute max. I MTL as much as I DL, and when I MTL it’s more like 9w. I’ve tried 80+w and found absolutely no real improvement from, say 30w in DL. The people extolling exotics though are generally near 100w or even higher. It’s possible that at those wattages (which I personally have found to be a pointless waste of battery, but that’s me) there may be a difference.
I can say for sure though that at lower wattage exotics do precisely nothing but slow ramp time, complicate cleaning, and cost more.
Personally, I, find that anything too far below 90 watts is a waste of battery plus a waste of everything else in addition to that, but that's me. This has got nothing to do with "extolling exotics" or anything like that, because, instead, it's purely a matter of reading through all the presumptous remarks as if claiming there are no colors in a rainbow so, sorry for my doing it on purpose.
 
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I prefer to start at even much lower wattages for hotspot testing, like only 25-30 watts with a dual coil setup. It simply depends on how fast the coils ramp up, and also it depends on their fragility. The whole philosphy is to be gentle with wire. Because, if using very thin wire for the wrap wire, it could much more easily get stressed very hard by the hot spots, and, I find that SS 316L wire is extremely very sensitive to the point of it not being capable to withstand much more than just a very subtle very dark red glow for very long so that also is part of why I don't use it for my builds. I.e., in advanced coil building, SS316L has a fairly strong tendency to lend itself better for splendid colorful art creations rather than functional builds that don't typically turn to waste after vaping on them for only a few days t.

Wow. Thanks for pointing out that my "advanced coil builds" I spin out of 316L should only be used for art instead of vaping as I'll only get a few days out of them. I guess I'll have to go rebuild all those attys I have with advanced coils of 316L that gave been working just fine with a rewick and light dry burn that are still vaping like new 3 months down the road. I guess all those months of useful coil life were imaginary.
 

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Wow. Thanks for pointing out that my "advanced coil builds" I spin out of 316L should only be used for art instead of vaping as I'll only get a few days out of them. I guess I'll have to go rebuild all those attys I have with advanced coils of 316L that gave been working just fine with a rewick and light dry burn that are still vaping like new 3 months down the road. I guess all those months of useful coil life were imaginary.
I never said SS 316L should only be used for that. Instead, I was talking about the comparative durability of SS 316L and how that can be a (severe) limiting factor worth taking carefully into consideration when delving into advanced functional coil builds. That is, assuming you aren't allergic to Nickel, in which case I would suggest trying either Kanthal A1 or SS 316L, but then, Kanthal A1 is still also a lot more durable when compared to SS 316L, and, the slow ramp up associated with Kanthal A1 can be mitigated by using thinner wires in cohort with using more numerous wire strands laid in parallel for the cores to prevent the coil's resistance from going up as a result from using thinner wires.

Further, some people not only are allergic to Nickel, but also they get a metallic taste with SS 316L so, for advanced functional builds, Kanthal is their real best option. By using a regulated mod that can support ArcticFox firmware (free) and by using a PC with NFE Tools software (free), it becomes possible to dial in a custom power curve that can be used for preheat in such a particular way that you don't have to re-edit the power curve each time when you change the wattage on the mod up or down, as the curve uses percentages rather than wattages so basically the mod re-calculates the wattages automatically for you 'on-the-fly' (which is AFAIK still something that cannot be said about expensive DNA mods). It's just an option to maybe want to consider.

The metallic taste of Kanthal A1 fully disappears (for me) after I keep dry firing the newly built coils, very extensively and very repetitively whilst also spending the time and patience it takes to not overheat anything in the process (i.e. rubbing a few drops of water along the side of the build deck many times, and mostly waiting a lot to let everything cool back down again, also really many times), before their first use. Luckily the metallic taste of Kanthal always stays gone after that so it isn't the end of the world, but yeah... "that ramp up, eh?"

Finally, I can attest that my first own coil build, which was a dual coil staple staggered fused claptons build using Kanthal A1 for the cores, Nichrome 80 for the wrap wire, in my Wotofo 25mm Troll RDA 2 at high (138-160) watts on my Wismec Reuleaux RX300 in wattage mode was producing the kind of flavor I describe as top notch flavor performance even though it did consume juice and Sony VTC5A batteries really fast, and even though I had to taper the strength of my draw for airflow to stay in balance with the speed of vapor production. Needless to say the clouds I got from that were pretty astronomic, but in the end IMO, also considering the fact I wasn't yet using mech mods back then (because at that time I hadn't even been vaping for a month yet), and knowing what I know now, the feel of the vape and the flavor intensity and depth were most certainly worth all the sacrifice that went into it. It sure as hell kept me away from even thinking for a nanosecond about going back to smoking cigarettes.

So here's an old pic of that one. :p

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