"Premium handcrafted coils"

[Vilbourne]

Hello i need some recomendions and thoughs about coils.

For the first time i ordered unnecessary expensive coils. I was really sceptical and sure they are nothing special. Cost me almoust 7e for 2 coils, probably well over 10e if not bought from online. Big surprise they are really good. I mean really. Pyrov2 comes alive, surpassing even the wotofo profile rda, which is the best mesh device i know. I remember framed staple coils being good, but this was a big surprise. Dual setup became 0.11ohm as promised. Easy to install. Feels they conduit heat really nice.

Im relatively new builder, how long these coils can give this kind of experience? If i change the cotton when it get bad, brush the coils can these work like a month with this level of performance?

And can you recomend high quality collections or reels? I ordered geekvape framed staple clapton wire n80 and some twisted clapton ss316 wire for a test. I like the coilology collectiin 7in1 42pc with slacker cotton, but i dont remember framed staple being this good. I also ordered wotofo framed staples.

I dont like the idea ordering 2 coils for almoust 7e,but if they last atleast a month i will consider. I use 90w power mode. Well quess i know when i get cheaper framed staples to compare.

Do you think these "premium handcrafts" are just for taking money out of dumdums or the real deal? They surprised me big time. Comparing these to n80 juggernauts you wont even know its the same ejuice, the difference is that big.

Gotta test cheaper framed staples tommorow from the same company who made these. I dont know why the expenive ones should be any better but these gave me the best flavors ever. Maybe its just the framed staple itself, maybe its the handycraft..

Thank you

 

[Asbestos4004]

As far as I know, Coilology aren't hand made premium coils. If they work well for you, then great! But, yes, you can buy spools of coilology stuff and big tins of pre wrapped coils. Amazon might still carry coilology...not sure.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Do you think these "premium handcrafts" are just for taking money out of dumdums or the real deal? They surprised me big time. Comparing these to n80 juggernauts you wont even know its the same ejuice, the difference is that big.

I think if they work well for you, then go for it. Whether hand or machine made, they look nicely wound.

 

[Eskie]

Isn't there a problem ordering into Finland, or can wire make it in? Another source of reasonable quality affordable SS specialty coils is Advanced Vape Supply which offers both coils and spools. I have no idea what shipping costs from the US would add on or if they could clear customs there.

 

[Vilbourne]

Heh thats basicly what the package says. "premium handcrafted coils". Cost almoust 7e for only 2 coils. They make both regular and these coils. The 42 piece collection is actually great valua for money. Under 8e online, 13e in local shop. Its pretty popular and liked when you read the buyer reviews.

But point is if we forget coilology, do you think these handcrafted/premium coils are worth the extra money against lets say wotofo and geekvape coils. Those wotofo, geekvape cost like just under 4e for 10 coil package if bought from online.

I just wanted some general discussion and coil recomendions. Tommorow i will test coilology performance coil collection against their premium handcraft series. I have 2 pyros so i just take 2x framed staples from the performance collection and compare against these handcraft versions. I will update here.

If talking about bad coils i can mention demon killer series and coilmaster skynet collection. Both sucked for me.

I would guess framed staple clapton wire by geekvape/coilology is the best value for the money but dont know for sure before i get those. I never built from clapton wire before. So planning and fishing some ideas for my next order. When i started building i though kanthal would be the best material now im slipping to ss316l and n80. I think they have great flavors and ramp/cool faster than kanthal.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Everything I’ve heard about coilology has been positive. They should last as long as you want them to with routine maintenance. I’ve heard people get months out of a set.

 

[Vilbourne]

Isn't there a problem ordering into Finland, or can wire make it in? Another source of reasonable quality affordable SS specialty coils is Advanced Vape Supply which offers both coils and spools. I have no idea what shipping costs from the US would add on or if they could clear customs there.

Well basicly mailing anything except flavors without nicotine is a problem, but in reality everything gets thru the customs. Ive ordered like 50 vaping related items and all get thru. I dont think the customs care about vaping. Sometimes there are markings on the packages and once i got some yellow eu article note but i think it was about taxes. And the sellers are smart enough to write something like "camera accesories" or "toys" "metal tube" on the package list and mark the value 13e/$ or under. I usually first bought from local store and if the item is good i order a spare online. Or if i cant get something here i will order. Like the geekvape zeus x which just came out. Shipping is usually free or very cheap. And thanks for the tip, i will study it.

 

[Vilbourne]

Everything I’ve heard about coilology has been positive. They should last as long as you want them to with routine maintenance. I’ve heard people get months out of a set.

Wow thanks for the info, sounds nice. If they last that long with some maintenance the cost aint bad. Usually i play with setups and change out of curiosity, but if i want to keep using these i dont have to worry about buying new set every week or 2.

Btw is it fine to use ss316l and n80 without tc mode? Doesnt seem to be any bad, work really good.

And my pic of glowing coils, i dont like to fire em bare but just pulse fast as possible to see if there any hotspots. Ive heard the metal will turn toxic if burned too much, and i always brush them after.

 

[Eskie]

Yes, the nice thing about 316L is is it's good in both power and TC mode. Ni80 does not work in TC at all. Ni200 is TC only and not used nearly as much as it used to be.

As to cleaning for reuse, I wash off and dry burn my Clapton/fused Clapton coils regularly. I get months out of them. I'll change them out if the resistance keeps rising after cleaning over what I know it should be, it's gets bent all out of shape from lazy tugging the cotton through rewicking jobs, or I just get bored with them. My average is 2 to 3 months, some even longer.

 

[greek mule]

Btw is it fine to use ss316l and n80 without tc mode? Doesnt seem to be any bad, work really good.

SS can work both at TC and Power mode,Nichrome only at power mode.They work fine!

 

[dripster]

Nichrome 80 coils last multiple times longer when compared to SS316L ones, at least in my experience. Dry burning Nichrome 80 coils doesn't harm them if you pay attention to not glow them too fast; when you're working out the hot spots by strumming them with the tip of your ceramic tweezers, always pick a low wattage setting and gently pulse the fire button so the coils will start to glow only very slowly (i.e. instead of causing the wires to just weld themselves together).

 

[bombastinator]

Ive heard the metal will turn toxic if burned too much, and i always brush them after.

I’m giving you what I understand to be true. I could be wrong here. If this is BS someone please chime in.

Ti - do not dry burn period. They’re good for a single wick generally. TC wire
Ni - do not dry burn at all. They’re good for a single use. Allergic reactions are fairly common. TC wire
NiChrome - dryburn as long as the wire stays together. Slight chance of allergic reaction though. No TC.
Kanthal - dryburn it practically forever. No allergy issues. No TC though. Some think nichrome tastes better. I can’t tell a whit of difference between it and kanthal myself, making kanthal imho in all ways superior. YMMV. I’m not known for my taste.
Stainless steel - Can be dryburned but you have to be really careful about it. You can’t go hotter than cherry red. Pulsing helps. The big problem I this generally isn’t hot enough to burn the carbon off so brushing is needed. It WILL do TC though. The cherry red thing isn’t about poisonous ness, it’s about the ohm rating of the coil changing. It’s become the far and away most popular TC metal.

 

[dripster]

I never brush my coils. I just pour a spoonful of sparkling water on them each time before I dry burn, pour another spoonful of sparkling water, dry burn again, repeat these steps a few times, do a final rinse with tap water, and then pulse them a few times to dry everything up (and until the funny smell that rises up from the coils when you pulse them is gone).

When sparkling water boils until it has evaporated (always remember to pick a low wattage setting for this), it sizzles much more vigorously compared to ordinary tap water so no brushing is needed on the coils. A coil brush with steel hairs makes tiny microscopic scratches in the coil's surface layer that helps protect the metal underneath. Also, a brush requires you to remove the coils to be able to brush on the bottom of the coils, and, even then, it still cannot reach between the various core wires and the wrap wire of an advanced coil such as a framed staple coil. To prolong the life expectancy of Nichrome 80 coils, don't glow them beyond normal orange. Frequently glowing them yellow-orange or yellow just makes them age (a lot) faster than really is necessary IMO.

 

[Vilbourne]

Thanks alot very good informtion! I should start using that method instead of brushing and scratching the coils. Also must be why the 1 quality brush i have is soft and bendy, while the cheaper ones are stiff af. Gonna buy sparkinling water today, very good lesson.

And thank you bombastinator for the info of TC. I was kinda worried my coils turned so bright while i pulsed. It was like that maybe for a second max. I prefer 30w per coil for hotspot testing, so 60w when dual setup. The coils dont change color that way, but if i dryburn dual setup like 35w it takes some time before they glow enough so the hotspots can be seen and they also change color.

Vaping and building is always learning im glad this thread taught me more. I was thinking brushing may not be that good but now i know better. I have to admit i did brush even when installing coils to even the hotspots. Ofc i used a different tool also but brushed too almoust every time. I think i noticed if i got bad hotspot and brush too much the coils get worse. Now im little better at building so the coils are pretty good allready when i get them in place. When i started i did get bad hotspots and ohms were nonsense readings, not what it was supposed to be. And the resistance changed alot. Now i get the right readings and resistance stay the same.

 

[Zakillah]

As far as I know, Coilology aren't hand made premium coils. If they work well for you, then great! But, yes, you can buy spools of coilology stuff and big tins of pre wrapped coils. Amazon might still carry coilology...not sure.

There are spools for various fused Claptons, yes, but no decent ones for Aliens. The only "Aliens" you get on a spool are done with 0,3x0,8 flat wire with a way too thick outer wrap. Useless.

I guess "normal" fused Claptons can easily be machine wrapped; decent Aliens, not so much.

 

[bombastinator]

Thanks alot very good informtion! I should start using that method instead of brushing and scratching the coils. Also must be why the 1 quality brush i have is soft and bendy, while the cheaper ones are stiff af. Gonna buy sparkinling water today, very good lesson.

And thank you bombastinator for the info of TC. I was kinda worried my coils turned so bright while i pulsed. It was like that maybe for a second max. I prefer 30w per coil for hotspot testing, so 60w when dual setup. The coils dont change color that way, but if i dryburn dual setup like 35w it takes some time before they glow enough so the hotspots can be seen and they also change color.

Vaping and building is always learning im glad this thread taught me more. I was thinking brushing may not be that good but now i know better. I have to admit i did brush even when installing coils to even the hotspots. Ofc i used a different tool also but brushed too almoust every time. I think i noticed if i got bad hotspot and brush too much the coils get worse. Now im little better at building so the coils are pretty good allready when i get them in place. When i started i did get bad hotspots and ohms were nonsense readings, not what it was supposed to be. And the resistance changed alot. Now i get the right readings and resistance stay the same.

Lol. Turns out I misposted. I thought I was posting on a thread about the possible issues of dryburning wire. If it was useful it was useful though. Sorry for any confusion

 

[sonicbomb]

Exotic coils are 90% hoohah. Paying through the nose for 'premium' coils is a bit silly in my opinion.
Exotic coils are as much about bragging rights and the craft of making them as they are performance, and the performance gains you get comes at a price.

I suggest you buy a coil of 26AWG kanthal, a cheap coil jig and learn to wrap some simple round wire builds. Once you have this mastered you could have some fun crafting fancier coils yourself, it's not rocket science.

Coils are just a length of heating wire coiled to fit into a small space. The same as e-liquid is just PG VG nicotine and flavouring. But like any market, there is money to be made convincing punters that you have a 'premium product that will run rings around something they can make themselves for minimum effort and pennies in materials.

 

[bombastinator]

Exotic coils are 90% hoohah. Paying through the nose for 'premium' coils is a bit silly in my opinion.
Exotic coils are as much about bragging rights and the craft of making them as they are performance, and the performance gains you get comes at a price.

I suggest you buy a coil of 26AWG kanthal, a cheap coil jig and learn to wrap some simple round wire builds. Once you have this mastered and you could have some fun crafting fancier coils, it's not rocket science.

My opinion on that is varying a bit. The deal is I don’t vape much above 50w absolute max. I MTL as much as I DL, and when I MTL it’s more like 9w. I’ve tried 80+w and found absolutely no real improvement from, say 30w in DL. The people extolling exotics though are generally near 100w or even higher. It’s possible that at those wattages (which I personally have found to be a pointless waste of battery, but that’s me) there may be a difference.
I can say for sure though that at lower wattage exotics do precisely nothing but slow ramp time, complicate cleaning, and cost more.

 

[Eskie]

With "exotic" coils there can be advantages related to the additional areas where juice can be vaporized off, but the greater the complexity the lower the rate of return. Some of the most complex coils look amazing in photos and show great skill in spinning wire but don't vape all that well. I do think a Clapton or fused Clapton coil can perform well with modest power levels, for me even at 40W (with small core wire). Big beefy stapled cross hatched triple knotted octacore coils just aren't helpful for obtaining a decent vape.

As to "premium", that's a very subjective label without a clear definition. To me "premium" would simply be a decent coil made from the metal as stated on the package (did they really use or source real 316L?) cleanly and evenly wrapped (hand or machine, machine can be quite good if properly set up and monitored, by hand can be uneven and awful if the person is sloppy or careless just churning coils out as fast as they can) without much or any machine oil residue. The rest is marketing.

 

[score69]

Last time I checked, Coilology had several 'levels' or qualities of coils. The standard, that are sold in the 42 coil pack for example (also sold in 10 packs of specific coil types), and then they had 2 packs of 'premium' coils.

Sounds like the original poster is talking about the latter.

I'm not sure if the differences in quality or if there are any, but I've bought the standard Coilology coils and wire in the past and have always been pleased with the price/quality. The premium line would be a no to me, because personally, I'm fine with the standard coils and honestly don't even use exotic coils very often these days. I pretty much use plain wire, twisted wire, or 0.3x0.9mm rectangle wire and I'm perfectly happy rolling my own.

Vape Wild carries the Coilology 42 in 1 assorment for $12.99. Good coils for the money.

COILOLOGY PERFORMANCE 7-IN-1 PREBUILT COILS SET