It was the maximum allowed by the dangerous chemicals law (as I said officially "unrelated" to the TPD) without having a permit, very few shops had such base and they weren't stocked regularly. Most of it was bought in group buys, regular vapers probably never heard of it.
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Love the avatar.
You know, talking about avatars... I just realized mine, Michael Madsen, the actor, has a cigarette in his mouth...Love the avatar.
We've been pretending it's a cig-a-like to be polite.You know, talking about avatars... I just realized mine, Michael Madsen, the actor, has a cigarette in his mouth...
Federal Register :: Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products
Made my contribution. If everyone reading this would do the same, it "might" have some impact! If you dont speak up, then you assuredly wont be heard.
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I am writing with regards to the proposed rule for the "Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products".
I smoked cigarettes and cigars for 40 years, I tried numerous methods of quitting from cold turkey to patches, gum, hypnosis, Wellbutrin, Chantix, Nicotrol inhalers, chewing tobacco, Snus, etc.., none of which were sustainable for even a year.
I can honestly say that "Vaping" has allowed me to accomplish what none of the other methods did, I have not smoked combustible tobacco in over 5 years, which is my longest period of abstinence since I was 14 years old.
In my own personal experience I found the various flavorings were integral to my initial success in transitioning to vaping. I did not want "tobacco" flavors as they only served to make me "romanticize" tobacco. Cigar flavored eliquid just made me want the real thing. Where other flavors like, peach, dill, Earl Grey, etc.. were very palatable, and helped entice me to vape rather than to smoke.
I urge the rule makers to take into consideration that flavors, especially non-tobacco flavors, were highly instrumental in my success with quitting smoking. The variety of flavors that was available on the market allowed me to find something that appealed to my own palate and this greatly increased the appeal of vaping while simultaneously decreasing my desire to smoke. Had the variety not been available, and especially if only tobacco flavors had been available, the transition would have been much more difficult, and quite possibly unsuccessful.
Sincerely,
Michael A. Petro
Registered and active voter
Made my contribution. If everyone reading this would do the same, it "might" have some impact! If you dont speak up, then you assuredly wont be heard.
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I am writing with regards to the proposed rule for the "Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products".
I smoked cigarettes and cigars for 40 years, I tried numerous methods of quitting from cold turkey to patches, gum, hypnosis, Wellbutrin, Chantix, Nicotrol inhalers, chewing tobacco, Snus, etc.., none of which were sustainable for even a year.
I can honestly say that "Vaping" has allowed me to accomplish what none of the other methods did, I have not smoked combustible tobacco in over 5 years, which is my longest period of abstinence since I was 14 years old.
In my own personal experience I found the various flavorings were integral to my initial success in transitioning to vaping. I did not want "tobacco" flavors as they only served to make me "romanticize" tobacco. Cigar flavored eliquid just made me want the real thing. Where other flavors like, peach, dill, Earl Grey, etc.. were very palatable, and helped entice me to vape rather than to smoke.
I urge the rule makers to take into consideration that flavors, especially non-tobacco flavors, were highly instrumental in my success with quitting smoking. The variety of flavors that was available on the market allowed me to find something that appealed to my own palate and this greatly increased the appeal of vaping while simultaneously decreasing my desire to smoke. Had the variety not been available, and especially if only tobacco flavors had been available, the transition would have been much more difficult, and quite possibly unsuccessful.
Sincerely,
Michael A. Petro
Registered and active voter
Thanks @mikepetro for the link. Here is my contribution. I encourage EVERYONE to post a comment to the FDA.
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First off, I would like to point out that regular combustible cigarettes only come in regular and menthol flavors but that has never stopped teens from picking up the smoking habit. So I am not sure why anyone would believe that banning flavors in electronic cigarettes will stop teens from using those either. Teens normally do things because they think "it's cool" or because their friends or parents do it. They have been educated, they know the risks and dangers of tobacco use. Bans, age restrictions, marketing and education has not stopped kids from smoking, drinking, or using drugs. The bottom line is, with teens, they are going to do what they want to do, and nothing you do will stop them if they are so inclined to do it. Speaking of alcohol, it comes bottled in all sorts of fruit and candy flavors which teens are more likely to use for "first experiences" yet no one seems to care about that. So I have a hard time believing this effort is really "for the children".
I am 44 years old and my wife is 37. We had both smoked for over 15 years and between us we have tried numerous ways to quit smoking. Including some infomercial pills, patches, gum, lozenges, Wellbutrine, Chantix, tobacco dip (Skoal), and Skoal brand Snus. The Skoal dip actually did sort of work for me, but that still has high risk of mouth and throat cancer so that wasn't a much better alternative. The lozenges also worked for me but they caused SEVERE abdominal cramps and ........ so I had to stop using them and went back to smoking.
We first switched to using electronic cigarettes in January of 2013. At first we tried the "tobacco" flavored electronic cigarettes thinking that would be closer to what we were used to, but to us those flavors were gross. "Tobacco flavored" electronic cigarettes do NOT taste like smoking, they taste like eating the raw tobacco and we just could not handle that. So next we tried Strawberry flavor, and that is what did the trick and allowed us to finally kick the combustible tobacco habit. Over the past 5 years we have tried numerous different flavors ranging from fruits, mints, and candy. My wife currently primarily vapes a Mandarin Orange flavor, and I primarily vape a Wintergreen flavor. So neither the wife nor I are smoking combustible cigarettes thanks primarily to these flavors.
I have mentioned the FDA's potential plans to ban flavors from electronic cigarettes with my wife, and we both agree that if left with a choice of vaping a "tobacco flavored" electronic cigarette or smoking, that we would both end up going back to smoking. Only with the reduced nicotine you are planning for combustible cigarettes, we would likely be smoking 2 or 3 times as many. Thus doubling or tripling the tar, carbon monoxide, and other carcinogens we would be getting. So in essence banning flavors would be a DEATH SENTENCE for both my wife and I as well as countless others I would imagine. We cannot seem to break the habit of combustible cigarettes any other way than with flavored electronic cigarettes.
To me you should be pushing everyone to the safer alternative of electronic cigarettes instead of restricting their creation, popularity, and use. Electronic cigarettes may not be 100% safe, (I keep reading that they are about 95% safer) but if they are even 50% safer, wouldn't it make more sense to get EVERY smoker, dipper, chewer to start using electronic cigarettes first, to put those harmful products out of business for good, and getting more concrete safety data, before considering restricting and demonizing electronic cigarettes?
Sincerely,
Scott P
Houston, TX
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First off, I would like to point out that regular combustible cigarettes only come in regular and menthol flavors but that has never stopped teens from picking up the smoking habit. So I am not sure why anyone would believe that banning flavors in electronic cigarettes will stop teens from using those either. Teens normally do things because they think "it's cool" or because their friends or parents do it. They have been educated, they know the risks and dangers of tobacco use. Bans, age restrictions, marketing and education has not stopped kids from smoking, drinking, or using drugs. The bottom line is, with teens, they are going to do what they want to do, and nothing you do will stop them if they are so inclined to do it. Speaking of alcohol, it comes bottled in all sorts of fruit and candy flavors which teens are more likely to use for "first experiences" yet no one seems to care about that. So I have a hard time believing this effort is really "for the children".
I am 44 years old and my wife is 37. We had both smoked for over 15 years and between us we have tried numerous ways to quit smoking. Including some infomercial pills, patches, gum, lozenges, Wellbutrine, Chantix, tobacco dip (Skoal), and Skoal brand Snus. The Skoal dip actually did sort of work for me, but that still has high risk of mouth and throat cancer so that wasn't a much better alternative. The lozenges also worked for me but they caused SEVERE abdominal cramps and ........ so I had to stop using them and went back to smoking.
We first switched to using electronic cigarettes in January of 2013. At first we tried the "tobacco" flavored electronic cigarettes thinking that would be closer to what we were used to, but to us those flavors were gross. "Tobacco flavored" electronic cigarettes do NOT taste like smoking, they taste like eating the raw tobacco and we just could not handle that. So next we tried Strawberry flavor, and that is what did the trick and allowed us to finally kick the combustible tobacco habit. Over the past 5 years we have tried numerous different flavors ranging from fruits, mints, and candy. My wife currently primarily vapes a Mandarin Orange flavor, and I primarily vape a Wintergreen flavor. So neither the wife nor I are smoking combustible cigarettes thanks primarily to these flavors.
I have mentioned the FDA's potential plans to ban flavors from electronic cigarettes with my wife, and we both agree that if left with a choice of vaping a "tobacco flavored" electronic cigarette or smoking, that we would both end up going back to smoking. Only with the reduced nicotine you are planning for combustible cigarettes, we would likely be smoking 2 or 3 times as many. Thus doubling or tripling the tar, carbon monoxide, and other carcinogens we would be getting. So in essence banning flavors would be a DEATH SENTENCE for both my wife and I as well as countless others I would imagine. We cannot seem to break the habit of combustible cigarettes any other way than with flavored electronic cigarettes.
To me you should be pushing everyone to the safer alternative of electronic cigarettes instead of restricting their creation, popularity, and use. Electronic cigarettes may not be 100% safe, (I keep reading that they are about 95% safer) but if they are even 50% safer, wouldn't it make more sense to get EVERY smoker, dipper, chewer to start using electronic cigarettes first, to put those harmful products out of business for good, and getting more concrete safety data, before considering restricting and demonizing electronic cigarettes?
Sincerely,
Scott P
Houston, TX
Are these clowns going to ban muffins, candy, pop and gum too? Same flavourings as ejuice.
I do feel sorry for people that are happy with paying $15 for a 30ml of store bought flavoured juice, but I have zero concerns about my ability to make flavoured eliquid no matter what any government does. Unless they seize my nic freezer that is.
IMO regulating bottles of 100mg nic is the easiest way for any govt to impact vaping and increase tax revenues. Stock up now and don’t worry....
I do feel sorry for people that are happy with paying $15 for a 30ml of store bought flavoured juice, but I have zero concerns about my ability to make flavoured eliquid no matter what any government does. Unless they seize my nic freezer that is.
IMO regulating bottles of 100mg nic is the easiest way for any govt to impact vaping and increase tax revenues. Stock up now and don’t worry....
SMM shares his thoughts in a video, in his opinion Gottlieb is asking vapers to send as many comments as possible to give him data. It's an optimistic view but it's a chance for US vapers to leave a mark on the proceedings.
It's not really "us" that is the worry (we are all stocked I'm sure), it's for others that won't have the access to what we had to stop smoking cigarettes and possibly fail due to lack of selections.
Why? A 30 ml bottle lasts me about a week, whereas I previously spent $75-100 per week on cigs, depending on which state I bought them in.
Yes, yes, I've been DIY'ing for several years, so my current costs are much lower than that, but if it weren't for the threat of having commercial liquid become inaccessible due to nanny-state regulations, I probably wouldn't have bothered.
That would be ugly.
Agreed.....
I am not "worried" about my ability to continue vaping as I choose, I am set for life if need be. I still fight the good fight for the next generation of folks who havent even made the decision to try and quit yet. For that Grandma down the street who might just buy an Ego-Twist and a CE4 and be grateful for it as she never dreamed that she actually had an alternative to blowing her meager pension on cigarettes. And yes "FOR THE CHILDREN" who are already smokers and still too dumb to know they should quit.
There are a lot of things I stand behind, and Freedom of Choice is at the top of the list. It may not be "my" choice, but as long as it is not causing harm to someone else, then "to each their own"!
What they are doing to vaping is taking away our freedom, and who the hell are they to do that? Who is becoming a "victim" due to my choice of what I vape? In my book, no victim = no crime........ If anything they are turning smokers into victims by removing our choice to viable alternatives! Now THAT is the real crime here!
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Thanks for posting that link. I went and added my comment. After all, I quit by accident over four years ago. I was just curious if these new ecig thingys could help me save some money as the cost of smokes was crazy in Crook County. After duel use for a few months I just stopped buying smokes. The many different flavor options which were, and are currently available, kept me from wanting a smoke and got me over the hump. Not sure how things would have turned out if there were no options though. That said, I'm more of a tobacco flavor guy now and figure I will be just fine either way the FDA goes; my worries are also for the current or future smokers.
You're too kind, thank you so muchWe've been pretending it's a cig-a-like to be polite.
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Couldn't resist.You're too kind, than you so much
Did everyone take the weekend off from this busy thread?
So. COS.
So. COS.
I'd like to think the NCAA tournament was to blame, but perhaps we are collectively in denial about the firestorm heading our way.
One question I have is how long it would take after the 90 day comment period for the FDA to restrict flavored eliquid. Does it require a process over time to enact this ban or can they pull the plug almost immediately?
One question I have is how long it would take after the 90 day comment period for the FDA to restrict flavored eliquid. Does it require a process over time to enact this ban or can they pull the plug almost immediately?
Don't know if they're obliged to do some sort of grace period, but likely it doesn't matter anyways. If the liquid is newer than 8-2016 and doesn't have FDA approval then they can just wipe it off the market, flavor ban or not.
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