Piezo-Ceramic cold ultrasonic atomizer?!?

[rlorange]

Hello everyone.

Was looking into the possibility of piezoelecric atomizers instead of a heating coil. These have a ultrasonic vibrating crystal and are already used with PG or VG solutions to make theatrical fog.

Some googling found this little guy, its 25mm in diameter but surely this could be shrunk down to say 8mm needed for an electronic cigarette.

Anybody with more electronics knowledge than me is welcome to contribute to this thread as I know little of the practical reasons why this may or may not be possible. Seems like if it could be made to work would be the ideal solution

Piezo Ceramic element Manufacturer exporting direct from Jiangsu China

 

[rlorange]

OoooooW! OooooW!

Here's one that is only 10mm! Theoretically this could fit a PenStyle.

I would love to get hold of one of these and test it with some e-liquid...

I see no reason why a small one is not only possible but already out there.

Any keen electronics modders out there?

Piezoelectric transducer for ultrasonic atomizing - buy Piezoelectric transducer for ultrasonic atomizing, manufacturers, exporters, suppliers

 

[rlorange]

And another! This looks spot on its cylindrical and has wire mesh for wicking the liquid to the element.

It is designed for a mini battery powered humidifier or fragrance nebuliser!!

WOW this is almost perfect for an electronic cigarette!!!

I wonder how much current it draws...

Mesh Transducer For Fragrant Nebulizer & Mini Humidifier(Okwe Smart Tech),china supplier,exporter,Bermuda

 

[Phalse]

3rd link looks like the best bet to test em.

 

[rlorange]

OK final link and the best!

It is a USB powered aromatic diffuser. This device seems to run on the right type of voltage and current AND just look at the pretty picture with the vapour coming out of it!

Now this device is just BEGGING to be modded into an electronic cigarette. I think I will have to get one and see what can be done.

This is actually quite a surprise seems like the right hardware to make an ultrasonic electronic cigarette exist right now off the shelf!!

Anion Aroma Diffuser

 

[Phalse]

Off topic haha.
Second link, second supplier is selling Latex Foam for beds, from Asia, super high price in the USA and europe for latex foam beds.

 

[Phalse]

Thats how I think other places copied the Ruyan Just went to frys and had bought the same materials.

 

[rlorange]

I'm a bit nerdishly excited by this! Yep the third or fourth link is the go!

 

[Phalse]

I had not seen the 4th link when I posted that.

What the heck is that 4th one! hahaha yeah that would be a crazy mod. I would try the 3rd and 4th.

 

[rlorange]

I think I would get one these little USB aroma things and then have a fun time pulling it apart to get at the components.

Maybe I could even stick e-lquid straight in it and attach a tube! Then you might have a functioning mini Electronic Hooka!

Thats it!... I'm getting one LOL

 

[EDO]

Don't these aroma vaporizers...vaporize oils? It will be probably burn the eliquid. But there is only one way to find out. It would would be great if they work...Good luck with your tests...keep us posted.

 

[ProStreet]

Don't these aroma vaporizers...vaporize oils? It will be probably burn the eliquid. But there is only one way to find out. It would would be great if they work...Good luck with your tests...keep us posted.

LOL it doesn't get hot. The metal disk flutters super fast and turns the liquid into a fine mist. Our humidifier works the same exact way.

Biggest problem will be everybody complaining about no throat hit. It takes heat to get throat hit.


Venta Sonic VS207 Cool Warm Mist Ultrasonic Humidifier: R1010436 The Official Site of Venta Sonic Ultrasonic Humidifiers

 

[first2di3]

Im surprised one of you hasn't gone to walmart and picked up one of the Ultrasonic Humidifiers to break apart (given their availability and price)

Search results for Humidifier - Wal-mart

Check one of those out... (I suggest getting one of the animal ones so you can at least use it for something[flowers, cookies, etc] when you get done with it...and they are the cheapest ones...)

I have an old Walgreens one that Im thinking about pulling apart since it only cost me 3$ at a garage sale..


Let me know if this sparks anyone's modder side and picks one of these up and tests it... (my wife would kill me if I broke her humidifier without a good reason lol...)

edit:

Walmart.com: Ultrasonic Negative Ion Humidifier with Night Light: Home Improvement

Negative Ion? Anyone looked into that technology?

 

[EDO]

LOL it doesn't get hot. The metal disk flutters super fast and turns the liquid into a fine mist. Our humidifier works the same exact way.

Biggest problem will be everybody complaining about no throat hit. It takes heat to get throat hit.


Venta Sonic VS207 Cool Warm Mist Ultrasonic Humidifier: R1010436 The Official Site of Venta Sonic Ultrasonic Humidifiers

Wow that is pretty good. It doesn't get hot means it might actually last longer than normal ecig atomizers. I wonder...?

About the throat hit...I think it has more to do with the nicotine level and how spicy the tobacco is. Throat hit from lets say cigarettes like the original Gualoises or Gitanes is at least five times more than marlboro red or camel cigarettes. The reason is it is very spicy tobacco. they don't burn any hotter than normal tobacco. Try an experiment... add some jalapeno juice to your e liquid....the throat hit will go up radically as well as the chest punch. Now another way of getting strong throat hit is just go buy a higher nicotine level juice...you will notice stronger throat hits.

 

[kinabaloo]

The mist will feel decidedly cool rather than room temperature (hold your hand in the mist from a cool-steam humidifier and you will now what i mean).

I seee the best use of a piezo as beng able to deliver a consistent and known dose of fluid to the atomiser heater coil, without all the wicking stuff (atomiser wicking and cart wicking. The juice could be held away from mouthiece, of a larger quantity, will not leak. Could solve so may problems.

upside :

* no leaking likely
* higher capacity of juice possible
* consistent juice flow
* known dose (could even be variable)
* don't need any wicking

downside :

* slight cost increase
* might introduce incompatability with existing kit (no big deal); the refillable, high capacity juice reservoir will go between battery and atomiser (and maintain electrical throughput)

 

[rlorange]

Well I have found a cool toy, these have heat generating atomizers same as regular e cigarettes but check out the Zero mini gun! I wonder if the atomizers in these are better than those in our e-cigarettes?

NEW MINI Blaster: Zero Toys Online Store

 

[kinabaloo]

Could well be more heavy-duty. I would be very intrested to see someone make a gitanne-style power smoker from one ...

In other words it wont fit in a 901 tube, but who cares! Wll need a good battery (pack) - again no problem. Maybe even keep the trigger and nozzle system instead of a button and wick Seriously, a low tech power solution available for the cost of pulling a trigger rather than pushing a button.

Go for it !

But rebuild into something less gun-like, so as not to scare people that you're about to top yourself.

 

[Laredo7mm]

Just another thought about piezo's is that most nebulizers and humidifiers are probably geared towards fluids that have a viscosity similar to water. I know they say "essential oils" but I don't know what that means, and it sounds like a marketing thing to me.

Most of the medial ultrasonic mesh transducers that I found had a disclaimer that they only work with specific medicines. Such as albuteral, which is basically the same viscosity as water.

 

[kinabaloo]

The circuit that generates the hf ac could monitor and control frequency so as to adapt to the juice.

 

[rlorange]

Got the Zero mini smoke ring gun on order for $11 AU!! Im hoping the atomizer is small enough to attach to an 801 with little modification. I am going to have to sacrifice a perfectly good atomizer for the cause but well worth it. It uses three AA batteries so I reckon it work with regular batteries