Non Smoker == Troll

[Rhapsodies Fire]

While I agree that within every social group one will encounter some sort of elitism...and it does happen here....I think the biggest reason you were treated that way was in response to you resorting to name calling and generally creating a very negative environment after more than sufficiently outlining your perspective on things. I agree with CapableVapable that it really wouldn't have mattered in the end whether you were a smoker at one point or not. Just my opinion. I hope that you will be able to move forward now without the stigma, and enjoy your time on the ECF. vape on!

 

[jlarsen]

If a non-smoker takes up vaping, it just may be that vaping prevented that person from taking up smoking. It makes no sense for someone that started using tobacco product for equally arbitrary reasons to criticize a non-smoker for taking up vaping, the excuses used are weak at best. A troll does troll-like things, a non-smoker turned vapor is not a troll, period.

 

[John Phoenix]

Apparently, viewing certain segments of this technology as something which should be open source, as opposed to being controlled by a single entity, makes us all trolls.

Ya know.. there are instructions on making your own homemade passthroughs, atty's, connectors, and juice. All aspects of the Electronic cigarette can be easily and cheaply replicated at home. I Love that. None of these parts can be banned because they are all sold separately for other things. E-cigs can be just as open source as any flavor of Linux or Open Office ever was.

If folks are that worried about e-cigs getting banned, all they need to do is search out and copy all the DIY instructions for a rainy day and then they can say just like Dallas from The Outsiders, " You look out for yourself and nothing can touch you, man. " Nothing !

 

[player30]

As a staunch libertarian, it is non of my business what someone decides to do or why they decide to do it. Chaos, imo you can do anything to your body that you decide you want to. Unfortunately, we live in a socialistic world where others think they have the right to make decisions for anothers life.

 

[yvilla]

As a staunch libertarian, it is non of my business what someone decides to do or why they decide to do it. Chaos, imo you can do anything to your body that you decide you want to. Unfortunately, we live in an authoritarian world where others think they have the right to make decisions for anothers life.

Fixed that typo for you.

Or maybe you don't understand the term "socialist"?

 

[oldsoldier]

Trust me, we (the staff) will let you know if you're trolling! I won't restate the obvious, I'll just say that when people feel uncomfortable they tend to attack rather than listen and try to understand. Don't reply in kind and when the dust clears you will be declared the victim, not the troll.

Please note that while this advice is aimed toward the OP, it applies to everyone.

 

[Stevew443]

The way I figure it, if you did troll like activities, you would be a troll. If you are a non-smoker who took to vaping, you are a vaper, just like I am a vaper. Now, if I began troll like activities, I would be a vaping troll, although people might use a different adjective to describe me instead of vaping.

 

[oldsoldier]

The way I figure it, if you did troll like activities, you would be a troll. If you are a non-smoker who took to vaping, you are a vaper, just like I am a vaper. Now, if I began troll like activities, I would be a vaping troll, although people might use a different adjective to describe me instead of vaping.

in other words troll=troll
adjectives are irrelevant

 

[Wharf Rat]

Okay, as some of you may have noticed from my previous posts, I am a non-smoker (never smoked in my life) who enjoys vaping 0 nic juice (I find it relaxing, it gives me something to do while I'm on the computer).

I have had several people accuse me of being a Troll. Why is that? Is, or was, there some issue with people coming on the ECF and claiming to be non-smokers and posting with nefarious purposes?

I would be interested in some insight from experienced ECFers as to why that is the case.

BTW, I am NOT a Troll, and never have been, I want to state that for the record!

Apparently, viewing certain segments of this technology as something which should be open source, as opposed to being controlled by a single entity, makes us all trolls.

TROLL
2 informal Computing - an e-mail message or posting on the Internet intended to provoke an indignant response in the reader.

MC if you are talking about a different thread, then I don't know if this applies. But WRT to AG's post (where you were posting) it most certantly does.

You started with your first premise was it would never go through and that was rebuked.

Your second premise was that it would kill the industry and that was rebuked.

Your third premise was that it was violation of forum rules and that was rebuked.

Then your posts were reduced to name calling (A** Hole and TROLL among others).

I don't recall who was called troll first, but unless I'm mistaken he never went outside to provoke an indignant response.

Words have meaning and your posts by the very definition of the word are why Troll was added to the dictionary. Your post were indeed intended to provoke an indignant response in the reader.

I don't think you are a bad guy at all, in fast I believe you to be an outstanding citizen. But for some reason this issue seemed to get under your skin and you ended up trying to cause hard and I was sad to see that.

 

[MasterofChaos]

I should make it clear that the whole troll thing has nothing to do with the "thread in question" you are taking about. That is a completely separate issue, not related to this.

I've seen a few non-smokers who said they were interested in vaping (including me) labeled trolls long before that thread came out.

I'm not referring to name calling or anything else, either. And I want to reiterate that the vast majority of posters on the ECF are more than nice, polite and helpful. It just seems that there is a small cadre of people who seem to be "sensitive" about non-smokers posting about vaping, and I was curious about it. And I wasn't complaining about them at all, I was just wondering if something had happened in the past (some specific incident, I mean) to trigger that response.

That's really all I was asking about, and thank you for everyone whos responded so far, BTW!

 

[MasterofChaos]

And please, Warf, let's not drag that whole argument over to this thread.

Buzzkill closed it, and AFAIK its closed. End of story.

 

[oldsoldier]

TROLL
2 informal Computing - an e-mail message or posting on the Internet intended to provoke an indignant response in the reader.

MC if you are talking about a different thread, then I don't know if this applies. But WRT to AG's post (where you were posting) it most certantly does.

You started with your first premise was it would never go through and that was rebuked.

Your second premise was that it would kill the industry and that was rebuked.

Your third premise was that it was violation of forum rules and that was rebuked.

Then your posts were reduced to name calling (A** Hole and TROLL among others).

I don't recall who was called troll first, but unless I'm mistaken he never went outside to provoke an indignant response.

Words have meaning and your posts by the very definition of the word are why Troll was added to the dictionary. Your post were indeed intended to provoke an indignant response in the reader.

I don't think you are a bad guy at all, in fast I believe you to be an outstanding citizen. But for some reason this issue seemed to get under your skin and you ended up trying to cause hard and I was sad to see that.

This kind sir is also very close to trolling. And before you respond I will play the mod card- decision is final and response is not wanted. I'm not infracting you or giving you an official warning I am merely pointing out that the sword cuts both ways when you bring it open yourself to attempt to educate and moderate as a forum member.

And please, Warf, let's not drag that whole argument over to this thread.

Buzzkill closed it, and AFAIK its closed. End of story.

That is probably the best response and attitude to apply to this situation

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@ the rest of the posters and lurkers: Thank you for not turning this thread into a flamefest. It is good to have open discussions in a mature tone.

 

[MasterofChaos]

Well said, OS.

But my original question still stands: Did something happen in the past to sensitize people on this forum to the possibility that non-ex-smokers who are vapers are (by definition) trolls?

That's what I'm really curious about.

 

[GMoney]

MoC -

I have not called you a Troll.

I read your original non-smoker thread posted by you and some other posts by you - I would absolutely not call you a troll for what you posted in there. I would also defend you against any who did so.

The only time I have seen you called a troll was in the "other" thread, which shall not be named. I personally thought that many of your posts crossed the line of propriety(and violated the rules of ECF as I understand them). Therefore, I can understand how others could take the sum of the parts (your posts in the "other" thread, join date, non-smoker, etc.) and form a negative conclusion.

I, too, think there are an amazing number of wonderful, helpful and caring people here on ECF and I offer you a belated welcome and wish you the best here despite the fact we may disagree on a few things and my belief that you may want to watch where the "line" is drawn on acceptable comments.

 

[mistinthewoods]

Okay, as some of you may have noticed from my previous posts, I am a non-smoker (never smoked in my life) who enjoys vaping 0 nic juice (I find it relaxing, it gives me something to do while I'm on the computer).

I have had several people accuse me of being a Troll. Why is that? Is, or was, there some issue with people coming on the ECF and claiming to be non-smokers and posting with nefarious purposes?

I would be interested in some insight from experienced ECFers as to why that is the case.

BTW, I am NOT a Troll, and never have been, I want to state that for the record!

I live in the lower peninsula of Michigan and the kind folks in the upper peninsula refer to us here in the lower as trolls. We live "under the bridge" you see so that makes some sense. I'm not sure how being a 0 nic, non smoking vaper makes you a troll...... but welcome to the ranks.

 

[stillalive]

I was actually called a troll as soon as I joined and posted my intro, mainly because I was a nonsmoker... luckily people were mostly nice after I clarified, but I am curious if there was some strange rash of trolls coming here and saying things to rile people up! Does this happen a lot, or are smokers-turned-vapors just more suspicious of nonsmokers? Hmm...

 

[MasterofChaos]

StillAlive,

You are one of the people (and threads) I was referring to.

I just started this thread because I really didn't understand it, and wondered if there was a reason behind it, is all.

I'm not trying to accuse anyone of anything. It seems very odd, because almost universally people on the forum are very nice (almost stupidly so!), but when it comes to this, the reaction of some seems to be starkly different.

Thanks for everyone's good wishes, I appreciate them! And greetings to you, StillAlive, good to see that you are still around (you kinda got picked on a little there at first and I didn't think THAT was cool at all).

 

[stillalive]

StillAlive,

You are one of the people (and threads) I was referring to.

I just started this thread because I really didn't understand it, and wondered if there was a reason behind it, is all.

I'm not trying to accuse anyone of anything. It seems very odd, because almost universally people on the forum are very nice (almost stupidly so!), but when it comes to this, the reaction of some seems to be starkly different.

Thanks for everyone's good wishes, I appreciate them! And greetings to you, StillAlive, good to see that you are still around (you kinda got picked on a little there at first and I didn't think THAT was cool at all).

hehe, it's funny but I am actually more committed to vaping than most of the smokers who are trying to vape that I know! I think it can be a very different approach-- they want lots of throat hit and need things to be just like a cig, whereas I want to barely realize I'm inhaling anything unusual; they want something that looks like an analog, I want something that looks cool and pretty and not terribly cig-like, etc. But anyways, yeah, now that I have 3 different types of ecigs and counting, I figure it's in my best interests to stick around.

 

[FreakyStylie]

Lesson in trollery:



If that's not what you're doing, all is good.

In all actuality, I believe it has nothing to do with smokers/non-smokers, but about the government and the activist types who have nothing better to do than put a stop to anything they can find to fight. There is the potential for them taking the non-smoker-turned-vaper into some underage victimization thing. (I find that awful because what they're really saying is they'd rather have them start smoking. )

But yes, there is a small element to the smoker/non-smoker issue. A non-smoker can never understand how important vaping is to smokers. Smokers/ex-smokers-turned-vapers can be a little edgy towards anything that could potentially fuel those activists' fires.

It's people like the FDA and falsely motivated health organizations that cause the rift.

 

[BuzzKill]

I was actually called a troll as soon as I joined and posted my intro, mainly because I was a nonsmoker... luckily people were mostly nice after I clarified, but I am curious if there was some strange rash of trolls coming here and saying things to rile people up! Does this happen a lot, or are smokers-turned-vapors just more suspicious of nonsmokers? Hmm...

In the past there were some members that were actually from the ANTI- Smoking campaigns IF I remember correctly so this could be part of the reason ??
they at times would just inflame whatever they could for the fun of it .


I am NOT saying this is the case just pointing it out