Nicotine Comparisons

[Bob Chill]

The VT TH came in plastic. I re-bottled before freezing.

I figured as much. For $25 a liter I couldn't imagine it being in glass.

I don't seem to pick up on much difference between different brands like other folks. I find the difference between my MFS/RTS/WL pretty much undetectable. But I vape tobaccos pretty much exclusively so that may be part of it. I do mix some vanilla's and deserts for my best friend's wife. She's not picky at all so I don't think she cares one iota what brand nic I use. lol

 

[mhertz]

I think I will have to break down and order some nicobrand nic from ireland/uk. It's got 20% water and have had there share of bad reviews previously, but it's the only other nic type I can find in EU that delivers to denmark, just to see if I still get that bad taste, as I go back and fourth all the times between thinking yeah it's the general nic taste that's like that, and w-t-f I got some bad nic... If the nic is bad, then i'm speculating that chemnovatic uses nicselect and jimi once also stated chemnovatic gets there nic from india and uk and "cleans" it... He stated the VT variations in quality was because of that and stated that he wished it would only be from UK. The only manufacturer in UK of nic is nicobrand, btw... If it's good though, then I have to stuck up in freezer with a nic containing 20% water which isn't the most optimal for max-longevity...

 

[aikanae1]

20% water is a lot. I thought 2% to 4% was the average. I'm not thrilled about any water added and I don't seem to have the knowledge to read a coa successfully. I need to mix as close to 100% vg as possible due to a pg sensitivity. Water evaporates faster which causes problems.

What does Inawere in Poland use? I've heard a number of people that like their nic.

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[mhertz]

Yes, 20% sure is a lot, but they do it to make sure it's blended properly and also maybe for easier syringe-dispensing. 100mg nic should blend properly though without any water, but just needs longer on the mixer. Kevin from VT adds 5% water, but states it's only mandatory with 250mg+. He took a vote once if the people wanted no water or continue with it. He started with 10% I believe and later changed to 5%.

Even though there's 20% water in nicobrand pre-diluted nicbases, then it's gonna not end up with much water in our finished mixes anyway, unless using a lot of nic, and still then not a lot, but the reason I don't like it, is because I want maximum longevity in the freezer. The added water both introduces extra O2 + reduces the viscosity dramatically so the bonding of O2 and nic molecules i.e. oxidation happens faster...

Yes, inawera is good quality nic and uses nic from chemnovatic... They are both practically neighbors, living in the same city in poland(lublin).

Lastly, 6 days ago a person posted a short message on reddit in a response to good EU nic, and he stated he worked at chemnovatic and that they purify themselves there nic according to own specifications... So I believe that, and will stop posting cleans in double-quotes...

 

[Vapin4Real]

I am about to start DIYing and I have questions about VT's nic. I subohm 6mg nic and like a bit of throat hit. I notice VT sells a TH nic and a reg. Why is the TH less expensive? Is it lower quality? Will i not get the same TH as the premium juices I buy at 6mg with the reg VT? Just dont want to buy a lower quality nic. Is there really a big difference in TH between the 2?

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I am about to start DIYing and I have questions about VT's nic. I subohm 6mg nic and like a bit of throat hit. I notice VT sells a TH nic and a reg. Why is the TH less expensive? Is it lower quality? Will i not get the same TH as the premium juices I buy at 6mg with the reg VT? Just dont want to buy a lower quality nic. Is there really a big difference in TH between the 2?

VapersTek Throat Hit nicotine does not exhibit any greater TH than other brands. Apparently it does have greater TH than the VT regular nic.

 

[Capt.shay]

I am about to start DIYing and I have questions about VT's nic. I subohm 6mg nic and like a bit of throat hit. I notice VT sells a TH nic and a reg. Why is the TH less expensive? Is it lower quality? Will i not get the same TH as the premium juices I buy at 6mg with the reg VT? Just dont want to buy a lower quality nic. Is there really a big difference in TH between the 2?

VT's regular blend is extremely smooth. VT TH is a nice nic. I have been using it for several months now and I would recommend it. I think they have it priced the way they do for a very simple reason, to sell it. That is what they are in business to do.

 

[mhertz]

Interesting thread, which for some strange reason slipped my googlefu'ing till now, but in quotes as the url is banned for some idiotic reason... What's the problem with competition ecf??? Damn...

Hmm, after quoting a lot of posts which looked really unorganized and confusing, then I just shorted the url

Oxidized NIcotine Answer

Anyway, the link is a forum-thread that discusses the validity of VT flushing there nic intentionally and if chemnovatic even does an extra "wash"...

Damn, yesterday I stated that I believed they did the wash, and now after reading a bunch of reasoning matching EXACTLY my own reasoning, then i'm in doubt and splitted on the issue again, lol

Anyway I ordered some nicobrand nic to test, which arrives in a few day.s.. Nicobrand are owned by actavis in the states and have pharmaceutical medical licenses(MAs) to sell the nic as or in active pharmaceuticals and also FDA and MRHA audited frequently. I corresponded with a vendor which states they are more expensive than nicselect, so that's why most use nicselect(he recently switched over from nicobrand to nicselect because of the cost and stated "unfortunetly" about it?). Nicobrand is also used in the titanium ice from totallywicked in UK too... I will post my judgments...

Btw, the OP of this thread, Cyrus, stated in the beginning of this thread that he had messed with adding a few drops of vinegar to nics that tasted very alkaline and had success in muting those notes with that, and that to me sound intriguing, although I would much prefer getting nic from the start that didn't tasted so bad... I'm still split about if it's the normal nic taste or not that i'm perceiving... It could very well be that chemnovatic uses nicselect and hence I get the issue in both nics, and that's also why I look forward to trying other nic manufacturer, which is very hard to find in the EU i.e. non nicselect or chemnovatic nic, and pretty expensive also... I really hope the nicobrand nic will be different, but as stated the downside is 20% water + about twice or more expensive, but if better tasting, i'm sold...

 

[mhertz]

... Just got some clear as water nicobrand in and the first thing that strikes me, except clearest nic i've seen yet, is that the nic smells like nic does, but have maybe 90% less of the sting that chemnovatic and nicselect does. Also the high alkaline note isn't percievable through smell.

I normally vape at 3mg, but mixed up my usual for testing 6 and 10mg unflavored(tested at 100w and direct-lung-inhaling, so can't really go any higher) and low and behold, the taste that I hate in chemnovatic and nicselect isn't there. I'm really happy about that... Of course it does have a taste, every nic does atleast to me i'm sure off, but it's just not a sharp irritating taste, but more of a milder mellow taste without the sharpness...

Now I then need to hunt for cheapest nicobrand vendor, which there's very few of, and the places I know are min twice as expensive... Most use nicselect as they are cheaper...

Btw, in the beginning when vaperstek started with there premium nic, they stated it was UK sourced nic. I can't help think that maybe they switched to chemnovatic later on. When Kevin announced he used chemnovatic, he didn't stated "all along", but just that he had chemnovatic nic on his site. If you buy nic from poland, then you cannot really state UK sourced imho? The only UK nic to be sourced, is from nicobrand, which has made pharma-nic with medical licenses in place from FDA and MRHA for the NRT market for 30 years, and then in 2013 Neruda was started which sells CNT nic, made in india and purified in switzerland and sold in UK through Nerudia(sold by piratesvape in UK but only ships to UK, so I can't test it). If it was from chemnovatic all along, then as jimi stated the batches either comes to chemnovatic from either india or UK, and that's why there are batch-variations according to him(some peppery'er and oxidize faster), then the UK "good" batches i'm highly suspecting is nicobrand.

Also, I found another UK vendor which from there COA I could tell they didn't used either chemnovatic, nicselect or nicobrand, so a new for me nic to try and hopefully like, and so I ordered a small bottle to test...

Again, as said before in a previous post, i'm speculating "close relationships" with current batch of chemnovatic and nicselect, since both has the exact same off taste, and which also both had 6 months about ago... I'm guessing this off-taste possibly is hexane left-over extraction solvent?, but it's just crazy that it can be tasted in so low levels as in these two nics impurity tests(COAs).

Oh, last thing, you have probably all read this, but yesterday I read something I had forgot, which was that nudenic uses about 6 different nic sources and changes up based on what part of the year it is(sesson), because humidity in the areas producing the nic affects the crop(i'm suspecting price-variations, like with feed-stock from VG production, but whatever), and that they first check the COA and retest themselves to check the new batches are good. Anyway, my point with that was to say that whenever you buy nude-nic, from time to time, it is very possible it is a different nic source than from last buy at nude-nic, although still very high quality...

Edit: If you want to try nicobrand UK nic in the states, then totallywicked sells it and has a US site also, but be warned it's crazy expensive lol. The cheapest way to test it is to get a 10ml red-label bottle, which is unflavored 50/50 VG/PG or 100% VG base at 10 or 18mg, which is the same nic as in there regular titanium ice 72mg.

Note, the bad taste I don't like, has been in all the nics i've tried in the last 8 months so I would think some of you also have gotten same nic(nicselect/vt/chemnovatic-users). Although with flavoring or not high-power/rdas or not good palette, then it's maybe harder to notice...

The nics i've tried in the last 8'ish months, is 2 different batches of nicselect 8 months between, and one batch of chemnovatic straight from the source + 3 others batches of chemnovatic from other source also with several months apart. All these had that same taste especially noticable in 3mg+. Then the nicobrand I got from alchemist-cupboard yesterday, where the one exception...

 

[nostradadus]

In keeping my nose to the ground for Nicotine suppliers and having seen comments on Vape Clarity nicotine in other forums, I got in touch with Vape Clarity about their product. I received a small sample of their 100mg/ml PG Nic for testing and review.

Their pricing is reasonable:

.5L=$39

1L=$69

1G=$229

Their response to my request was speedy and helpful.

Titration results: 
Dead on perfect results at 100mg/ml.

Visual: 
The product comes in an opaque white bottle; the product is crystal clear. After the nicotine sat at room temperature for roughly a month, some browning does occur; air in the bottle causing oxidation, rather than temperature. I moved the bottle to the freezer for storage just for good measure.

Smell: 
No discernible odor.

Taste: 
No discernible taste at a low percentage in the mix. A mix of 12mg/ml or higher, there is the slight hint of a tobacco flavor, but nothing offensive. There is NO "peppery" taste associated with this nicotine.

Origin of Vape Clarity?


Below is the reply from Vape Clarity concerning the origin of their product:
"We use nicotine that is directly sourced from Singapore (not China). It is validated and tested through their QC processes and verified through a local 3rd party laboratory testing."

In conclusion, I feel Vape Clarity nicotine is a quality product. If I can't get my hands on my usual nicotine, Vape Clarity will be my choice.

I'm a creature of habit.....what can I say?

100 mg/mL Vape Clarity

 

[mhertz]

Thanks nostradadus, great post! I've been wondering what vape-clarity uses for nic-source since they are often highly recommended, and I actually just guessed it was yet another alchem nicselect vendor, but that isn't the case I see. Not that we know the true origin, but singapore atleast is better than nothing and omits a bunch of possible sources too. Not that i'm able to buy from them personally, but just being slightly obsessive-compulsive about certain hobby-aspects, lol

On another note, I gotten some new nic not long ago from a new to me UK vendor named bluestar. They state they have the clearest and least odorless nic in UK and only source ingredients from UK. This then means either nicobrand or nerudia, where the later is merely a distributor for CNT and not a manufacturer. However, after some serious google-fu'ing from there listed COA, I discovered from various COA elements and batch-number front-number encoding, that it was china nic from J & G biotechnology. On there site they also shows there nic and it is extremely clear looking. I also noticed that they referred to there product as meeting Eur.Ph 6.0, which is outdated as currently we're on v8.5 I believe of the EP, but then XV also on there page lists EP 6.0 compliance and we know that they source from a single manufacturer in china too, so although it's quite possibly just a coincidence, then it's atleast a possibility that XV uses J & G biotechnology.

The nic I got was very very clear looking and with very little smell and very little nose-sting, so I had high hopes for it, although I didn't trust the actual selling vendor one bit, as I've already caught them in lying to there customers once. Anyway, the nic was clean tasting without any tobacco or other alkaline bad tastes, but did however have a black pepper slight taste, which is a first for me as for getting that in the actual taste, instead of as usual in the nose on some nics and when they're oxidized.

Second, when looking up the company number, its stated to be shut-down 6'ish months ago and also I found another company registered to the exact same address which is a company giving tax-advice-consultations to companies for e.g. helping them write off stuff... Really dodgy sounding to me... I also saw another person on a forum stating he had a big feeling they where a UK front for a chinese company, which wouldn't surprice me one bit, and using google-maps on the adress shows it to be a regular apartment building. There contact page also lists, besides there UK "main address", also a PO.box in dubai and an adress in china too...

In short, don't use/trust this UK vendor people...

On a last note, for people in UK or EU, then there's a company with cheapest nic in EU named darrant-chemicals... I mailed them, and they wouldn't tell me there nic source, but they list a nic msds sheet with the logos removed, but its the exact same msds as alchem makes for there nicselect nic... The second most expensive are darkstar and ukflavors, which there sources are unknown, except the former imports from the states and the later doesn't use alchem, that's all I know from mailing them both. Darkstar will not deliver to me, but ukflavors will, so i'll test them out soon too...

 

[aikanae1]

Just to throw another one into the mix,
Xi’an Taima Biological Engineering Co., LTD » Usp grade pure nicotine
It's rumored that they are the source for non pg super concentrates that vapor tek and bull city carries. I just noticed they offer nicotine too. Dunno anything more about them.

 

[nostradadus]

rumored that they are the source for non pg super concentrates that vapor tek and bull city carries

I would love to nail down that information; been wondering about that for a long time. I use SC (BCV) and Tobacco Express (ECX) tobacco concentrates quite a bit; they're actually excellent. Most of the flavors with similar names associated with them, taste identical. Go figure!

 

[aikanae1]

I would love to nail down that information; been wondering about that for a long time. I use SC (BCV) and Tobacco Express (ECX) tobacco concentrates quite a bit; they're actually excellent. Most of the flavors with similar names associated with them, taste identical. Go figure!

It's been a quest of mine too since I have problems with pg. I couldn't tell from a quick glance at the website if they were b2b only or retail friendly. I'd be in if you needed more than one for a buy.

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[nostradadus]

b2b only or retail friendly.

.....think I'll email them to see if I can get a response at all; perhaps I can get them to send samples for test and review?

 

[JeremyR]

Just to throw another one into the mix,
Xi’an Taima Biological Engineering Co., LTD » Usp grade pure nicotine
It's rumored that they are the source for non pg super concentrates that vapor tek and bull city carries. I just noticed they offer nicotine too. Dunno anything more about them.

Ive heard xa'an taime is a high quality outfit. Flavors from china as good or better than hangsen quality. I always wanted to get my hands on hangsen nicotine they make it themselves.

 

[herb]

In keeping my nose to the ground for Nicotine suppliers and having seen comments on Vape Clarity nicotine in other forums, I got in touch with Vape Clarity about their product. I received a small sample of their 100mg/ml PG Nic for testing and review.

Their pricing is reasonable:

.5L=$39

1L=$69

1G=$229

Their response to my request was speedy and helpful.

Titration results: 
Dead on perfect results at 100mg/ml.

Visual: 
The product comes in an opaque white bottle; the product is crystal clear. After the nicotine sat at room temperature for roughly a month, some browning does occur; air in the bottle causing oxidation, rather than temperature. I moved the bottle to the freezer for storage just for good measure.

Smell: 
No discernible odor.

Taste: 
No discernible taste at a low percentage in the mix. A mix of 12mg/ml or higher, there is the slight hint of a tobacco flavor, but nothing offensive. There is NO "peppery" taste associated with this nicotine.

Origin of Vape Clarity?


Below is the reply from Vape Clarity concerning the origin of their product:
"We use nicotine that is directly sourced from Singapore (not China). It is validated and tested through their QC processes and verified through a local 3rd party laboratory testing."

In conclusion, I feel Vape Clarity nicotine is a quality product. If I can't get my hands on my usual nicotine, Vape Clarity will be my choice.

I'm a creature of habit.....what can I say?

100 mg/mL Vape Clarity

I'm not paying $69.00 for a liter unless i'm forced at gunpoint , add in tax and that has got to be $85.00 +

I should say if it's superior to the ones that cost under $40.00 a liter i would but i'm very pleased with VT TH and $25.00 without shipping is much less brutal and easier to handle .

 

[mhertz]

Found a google-translated post from a foreign site stating xi'an taima made the alcohol flavors, but also later this quote:

"I 'm not even sure that all alcohol-concentrate from the same Chinese supplier. I found a link on a Russian forum where they indicated three different Chinese suppliers for French Pipe, Black & Mild, Old Captain (Xian, J & G, Shanxi ...):"

Anyway, it sounds like xi'an taima does sell to private with it's minimum order of 125mls for a sample pack and then later write which flavors wanted and get an invoice over paypal, as there site states... Also because of this quote(last line - first lines just added for some extra info):

"Complicating I received an email from another provider, Huizhou Hangboo Biotech with a list of flavorings (2 € for 10ml) different from other ...

huizhou_flavours.pdf
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I board orders from Chinese (Xian'Muren, Xian'Taima and others) but I expect to need nicotine to absorb the shipping costs."

Interested in trying there nicotine personally, but no-go for me as not EU based vendor...

Btw, I read a 3 month old post over at VU, where Kevin stated the VT TH nic isn't gonna be there anymore once current stock is gone(he states to only profit from e.g. 120ml bottles and not 1l ones)... Some interesting reading going on there, lol(time vs kevin...)

 

[nostradadus]

Well, they were extremely quick in sending a reply email!

I am Alina from Xi'an Taima Biological Engineering Co., Ltd, specializing in Pure Nicotine, mixed unflavored liquid, higher concentrated flavors for e liquid in China.
Please check the attachment; this is our flavor list and price list.

1. About the price:

pure nicotine (1000mg/ml ) price：$196/Liter

Tobacco and Mint flavor: price: $75/Liter $38/500ml $10/125ml

Fruit and herb flavor: price: $65/Liter $33/500ml $10/125ml

2. About the shipment:

We always send the package by FedEx, DHL.

3. About the delivery time:

After receive the payments, will send the package quickly.

4. About the payments:

We accept: PayPal and Western Union.

We can promise:

If you not receive the package will refund to you.

If you have any question, please contact me any time, it's my pleasure to serve you.


Best regards

Alina

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I'm not quite ready to go into the ejuice business, but it's good to know I could pay +/- $.07 per ml of flavoring.

 

[nostradadus]

the VT TH nic isn't gonna be there anymore once current stock is gone

Looks like that time is now.....went to the site and found I did not have the option to purchase the TH Nic.