My Experiment...

[jimldk]

ok, so i tried the needle thing. I didn't notice a difference so i asked the wife and did a blind test

She said the needle one was easier to pull. but had less smoke. So it might be good for some, but unnecessary for others

-Dusty-

Bro...make sure your cartridge is filled almost to the brim with e-liquids and 'jerk' it down(like forcing ink /pen empty kinda action) for your first flow...it is half dry/drip smoking method combine with cartridge...the flow should be easier and the smoke volume should increase...if excessive liquids have accumulated at the bottom of the atomiser..please unclog it first for better flow...

 

[RatInDaHat]

ok.. so to keep the volume hig do i have to keep flicking it? to me that is the only way to make a difference.

-Dusty-

 

[jimldk]

ok.. so to keep the volume hig do i have to keep flicking it? to me that is the only way to make a difference.

-Dusty-

Yep...flick it when it runs out of 'fuel' so to speak...the liquids inside the cartridge and the needle acts as a reservoir..it can be 'brought down' by the flick action..so sort of semi auto drip smoking....

 

[TropicalBob]

Think of it as more like real cigarette smoking. I remember tapping down the tobacco in unfiltered Camels before lighting one! Tap, tap, tap. It was cool back when we didn't know any better.

 

[newbie]

Just was going through some information regarding the inner workings of the atomizer.

NOTE: I haven't had any hands on experience with any type of e-cig so please read further with discretion. :?

Anyways, being an engineer I was thinking how does the atomizer work and until now I was just thinking how does microelectronics and vapor production work out. I was always confused and don't know what the secret is. Finally, today my quest was nearing an end when I understood the inner working of the e-cig.

Basically, if anyone has has seen the working internal of a light bulb you can easily understand the secret behind e-cigs. The main component in the e-cig is a filament. Yes !!!!, you heard it right, its a filament. Like a light bulb that heats up and lights up to high temperature when current is passed through, each e-cig has a filament that lights up whenever you puff air in. However, there is one difference between light bulb and e-cig, the light bulb filament is much higher temperature and it works in an inert gases. The e-cig filament operates at lower temperatures and in air with so many other gases. If the electric bulb would be operated in air, it would just fuse in minutes as it would reach very high temperatures or just give a red glow as any other heating element you have probably seen before, rather than give luminous light.

Well having said that, I am posting the information here so as to make sure that some of the users will be more careful when they do the suggestions in this post. You never shake a bulb when its lighted as it has higher chances of the filament breaking into two and loose the bulb. Similarly in the case of e-cig the filament is heated red hot when you puff air in. Now if you want to move or vigorously shake the e-cig when it is too hot you risk breaking the filament and hence spoiling your atomizer (!! just a filament).

There is one notable difference though in the filaments of bulbs and e-cigs. The filaments of bulbs are very fine and loosely bound (titanium being costly they want to use the least). The filament of e-cigs is compactly packed and it much tighter to avoid easy break of the element.

I have no complete idea of the atomizer yet, but I will update the news in a new post later on when I get my hands on an actual e-cig. Until then I urge the users to be careful about the filament and its temperature before you start shaking the .... out of our e-cigs to get more smoke. So until later, take care

 

[jimldk]

Good work there newbie(should be a expert soon at the rate you are going )....Have you taken one apart yet?....I'll post some pics of an atomiser without the steel wool(removed)soon (as soon as I can get it back from the patient using it at the moment have not turn up for her review) and fully functional with more vapor production than a standard one but with 1 big problem....battery drain out extremely fast...I have modified a few for experiments sake(and of course curiosity.. ) I'll let you know that this "filament" is replaceable and modifiable...I got at least 20 to 25 experiments going on at the moment..some are showing promises and some are showing failures..well, like they say "You win some, you'll lose some"

Sorry...I'm using larger Fonts for my Dutch Friend (Katink)..so she can read all the post..Hope you all don't mind..please post in a larger font for those with visuals problem...

 

[accordeur]

I don't know what computer Katink is using, but it is probably simpler for her to change her screen resolution or font size than for us to all change our font size. If she wants to post which OS she is using, maybe we can help her out. Regards.

 

[accordeur]

I'm on a Mac with Safari, all you have to do is go to the view menu and click on "make text bigger" or use the key command "command +" Good luck Katink if you are reading.

 

[katink]

Yes, I am reading; and thanks for your concerns (and your welcome; sorry for the strange way I'm popping up now ).

Jim, I really appreciate you doing all this for me (even if you are making me a bit shy now :? ).... but those big letters really aren't neccessary just yet. You're a dear though, to think about your fellow-humans and in this case especially me so much!

What happened: I was sending Jim a PM (on e-cig forum); and told him I could hardly read the posts here, unless it was night-time and I turned off most lamps around me. This is, because the contrast between the text and the background is so small... in daytime I virtualy can't even see any letters (on this forum in particular; white background, or black background with lighter text then here, are okay for me). So making text bigger isn't all that much of a solution actually (though of course it does help some)... it's just the contrast that needs to be more, for me...
Of course it doesn't help that my monitor isn't big, and is an old one that needs a higher gamma-setting all the time (also for others that can see just fine), either... (can't raise it any more without things getting worse instead of better).

It would be great though (and that was in fact one of the reasons I actualy registered here... thinking there probably would be more choice for members) if there would be choice in different backgrounds/layout/colours for the forum. On a lot of forums you can choose between a few different backgrounds etc.

But then, this forum is still pretty young I think; and no-one can be expected to take care of all things at the same time... so I've 'made do' until now; just reading when indeed the sun was down or at least behind high walls.

But now Jim has pulled me to the front and put me on your stage; so I guessed I had better explain then what this very sympathetic Jim-action was about... Sorry for your time all (and for pulling this off topic...); I'll just try and blend back into the audience now then <steps backward, falls off the stage, picks herself up, stumbles to the back row, sits down with relief that she can now go back to watching this nice forum... from a little more distance... >

 

[accordeur]

Please don't feel bad Katink, we are all here to help each other out. Thanks for explaining your situation, I hope you or the forum can find a solution soon. All the best!!!

 

[leaford]

Hi Katink,

My suggestion would be to highlight any text you are having trouble with, as if you were going to cut and paste. That renders a blue background with white text, which is easier to read. It's what I do.

 

[windblown]

Hi Katink, and welcome to the forum. I have the exact same problem reading the messages when I am using my computer that has an older monitor. It is so bad that I can not read anything, not even if I turn it to the brightest light. Fortunately, everything is clear on my newer Mac computer, so that is the one I have to use for reading the forum. Anyway, we are glad that you are here and look forward to your posts. Welcome aboard!

 

[jimldk]

Jim, I really appreciate you doing all this for me (even if you are making me a bit shy now :? ).... but those big letters really aren't neccessary just yet. You're a dear though, to think about your fellow-humans and in this case especially me so much!


But now Jim has pulled me to the front and put me on your stage; so I guessed I had better explain then what this very sympathetic Jim-action was about... Sorry for your time all (and for pulling this off topic...); I'll just try and blend back into the audience now then <steps backward, falls off the stage, picks herself up, stumbles to the back row, sits down with relief that she can now go back to watching this nice forum... from a little more distance... >

Whoops..sorry Big Sister...hehehe...just a way to draw you over here and also to let others know this is one talented gifted person who helps a lot of people over at the forums....Welcome and hope you'll stay....

 

[katink]

Well Jim... guess your plan worked then... and as to all your praise, really ... not doing anything more then lóts of other users on lots of other forums... hope I can help a tiny bit here and there; and looking for all kinds of answers (and idea's) myself just as much...

Windblown and leaford: a relief to hear, that you have the same experience as to 'hard to read' under certain circumstances
And leaford, I have the olive colour on my computer; but I will change that to blue and see if your suggestion might be an option to read here a bit more often, would be nice
Thanks accordeur for your kind words, and hope so too!

 

[colloco]

Hi there !
Jim, first of all I'll be one more person to congratulate and thank you for your work. You are helping many of us and opening the doors to future (and best) development of the E-cigarretes devices.
Second, I've bought a few of the same devices you did and I'm a little scared about the defect rate's on the atomizers. As far as I understood, you are facing the same issues over there. I am not doing any kind of experiment yet, just selling them to known people to get feedbacks and populate a informal research. But the main thing that is happening is that we figured the devices are a lot diferent between them. At least for the taste/amount of vapour (some has that 3 puff then nothing). Well, in your experiments, have you found a way of making the devices more alike one to another ? Or even restoring some of them ? This is really bothering us. Of course we spoke to the company that sold the devices and as usual they will replace those devices. But as I am outside of the USA, that will cost a lot and take a lot of time.

Regards,
Col

 

[jimldk]

Hi there !
Jim, first of all I'll be one more person to congratulate and thank you for your work. You are helping many of us and opening the doors to future (and best) development of the E-cigarretes devices.
Second, I've bought a few of the same devices you did and I'm a little scared about the defect rate's on the atomizers. As far as I understood, you are facing the same issues over there. I am not doing any kind of experiment yet, just selling them to known people to get feedbacks and populate a informal research. But the main thing that is happening is that we figured the devices are a lot diferent between them. At least for the taste/amount of vapour (some has that 3 puff then nothing). Well, in your experiments, have you found a way of making the devices more alike one to another ? Or even restoring some of them ? This is really bothering us. Of course we spoke to the company that sold the devices and as usual they will replace those devices. But as I am outside of the USA, that will cost a lot and take a lot of time.

Regards,
Col

Hi Col....Like you said not all the devices will work the same....I have roughly even out all the performances on the devices(some need not interfere) almost 350 devices "walking" about (another 500 non-participating too..I don't get to see them and they have more problems)....The only sure-fire method is Dry/drip smoking method or those with modified Cartridges..
The Experiments here are still ongoing with varying results...now tackling "the Taste Issue" mainly because numerous wants their smokes to be stronger and full flavored...tough job there but already found some "cure" for that.....

I have repaired a lot...and that cuts down Warranty time....and also the other company cost...I'm like you, outside of USA...need to be self reliant....

 

[geppa]

@katink
I do not know what browser you use but most major ones have the possibility to take a user provided style sheet (a file describing font size and color among other things) and use that instead of whatever a site has. That is only one solution. Not very optimal, as it applies it to all sites you visit. Then there is Firefox plus some "magic" extensions called "Greasemonkey" or "Stylish" that do the same think (and much more) but to particular sites. Either of those solutions (the second is better) would solve your (and others in the same situation) problem. That is, by overwriting the default font color and size and background color for this site, or for all sites you visit. Post in the site improvements area if you are more interested, and I (or someone else) will explain in more detail.

@newbie
You are right. It is just a filament. I doubt however that one could damage it by shaking the way the good doctor describes. First of all, if I understand him correctly (correct me otherwise jimldk, please), one is supposed to shake NOT while drawing (it should be very funny otherwise) so the filament would not be heated (maybe some remnant heat but certainly not at it's peak. Second of all, this filament looks quite sturdy. Somewhat like the ones used in car signaling lights. And finally, the filament is wound around a core. The one I have opened is a rope core.

 

[jimldk]

@katink
I do not know what browser you use but most major ones have the possibility to take a user provided style sheet (a file describing font size and color among other things) and use that instead of whatever a site has. That is only one solution. Not very optimal, as it applies it to all sites you visit. Then there is Firefox plus some "magic" extensions called "Greasemonkey" or "Stylish" that do the same think (and much more) but to particular sites. Either of those solutions (the second is better) would solve your (and others in the same situation) problem. That is, by overwriting the default font color and size and background color for this site, or for all sites you visit. Post in the site improvements area if you are more interested, and I (or someone else) will explain in more detail.

@newbie
You are right. It is just a filament. I doubt however that one could damage it by shaking the way the good doctor describes. First of all, if I understand him correctly (correct me otherwise jimldk, please), one is supposed to shake NOT while drawing (it should be very funny otherwise) so the filament would not be heated (maybe some remnant heat but certainly not at it's peak. Second of all, this filament looks quite sturdy. Somewhat like the ones used in car signaling lights. And finally, the filament is wound around a core. The one I have opened is a rope core.

See Katink...everyone here is so wonderfully helpful and they would love to make life easier for you....thanks to all our forumers..all of you are blessed with Hearts of gold and souls of the Saints....I'm grateful...

Geppa, I could imagine one while still smoking the thing in their mouth and shake it..hehehe..it is gonna be hilarious seeing that.... ....Normally what I'll do it is ..haha...I'll take it out from my mouth first and then do sudden jerking motion like what we do to our pens when we run low on ink....I don't know how and the exact way to describe it..but it is something like that....BTW...My Atomiser had actually survive a 30 foot drop to the floor(when I was doing some house chores last 2 months ago...you can actually feel your heart stop when it roll out from the window ledge...)..YEP..the darn thing still working albeit with a scar like (paint chipped off the black Rim of the battery end) damage...The Filament was knocked slightly out of alignment...but is damn good for Drip/dry smoking....Njoy warranty does not cover fall from 30 foot drop...Hehehe

 

[katink]

Yes Jim, nice folks here indeed!
Geppa, sounds like you have a good solution for me, I use Firefox... will go and try to find what I need, and if I can't find/do it myself then I'll gladly go to the subforum you mentioned for your help, thanks!

 

[jimldk]

I have earlier post it at general discussion area...suppose to post it here...I have done this on poorly functional atomisers and supposedly suspected dead atomiser(well, not all are revivable(if there is such a word) ..)

This small "SURGERY" I suggested should be tried on a Hardly functional or ?dead atomiser...or else shouldn't be attempted on a fully functional unit(although I done most of my patients devices -whether new or old units)... I have observed most atomiser head tend to get "clogged up" because of the steel wool structure..it gets "rusty" and closes up all the pores...that will lead to a poor burn rate or contact of the liquid (either from a cartridge or direct drops) to the filament plate buried within the steel wool.


First ....get a sharp and long enough twezzer or a srewdriver that can touch your atomiser head...then "SCRATCH"..yep, you read that right ..SCRATCH the Atomiser head with vertical small cuts parallel to the length of the atomiser..you'll get either indents cuts and some of the metal wool torn off but not completely destroyed...By doing that..you actually "uncovered" the clogged rusted wool which actually hinders the liquids burning rate when it heat up ..now put a few drops of e-liquid and see whether this helps or not to improve the smoke production....

Warning..since the burn rate has been increased ,so will be the amount of e-liquid used...it tends to "eats up" more e-liquid but it does give much better experience....and performance....let me know if it works....

I will post some pics of a scarred atomiser later on if anyone wants to have a reference point...