Koolada, Steep or no steep?

[somekindofvape]

I just made a liquid to test out the TFA Koolada I just got and I was wondering if steeping improves the "Cool" effect or not.
Current amount Koolada: 1%.
I've seen a lot of posts talking about 1% being the max amount to add and I still don't get that fresh taste.

Thanks in advance!

 

[anavidfan]

I hope someone chimes in, Ive been curious about that too.
I use it in many of by light fruits and never know if its making a difference or not.

 

[WiSK]

Koolada doesn't need to steep.

There's no reason to limit it to 1% if you like it, add more. I have one friend who say it tastes strong even at 0.25% and another friend who finds 2% koolada only mildly minty.

Also try ws-23 as an alternative.

 

[Sylvie]

no real steeping is needed when used alone or with ready to vape juices/mixes!
tfa koolada doesn't have a taste persay, the more you use the icier the cool feel is on your throat. i use to know the TH feel levels to use but, can't recall them now. it was 2%-5% though with 5% being too potent on the throat for most, especially non menthol folks..
personally i use unflavored vg nic with 2% koolada and shake it up a few times a day and by next day i start vaping it. it has been my ADV for years now, it has a good cool TH feel but, not enough to make me cough my behind off. and to me the cool effect actually gets less after you steep over 2wks so i only make 10days worth at a time.

koolada is great at ridding of that yuck dry vape with some juices too, i add a drop or two in 15ml and it rids of dryness without having a cool effect.

 

[anavidfan]

Also try ws-23 as an alternative.

What is ws-23 ? thanks

 

[WiSK]

What is ws-23 ? thanks

There are many "cooling agents", Koolada is the trade name for WS-3 and is derived from menthol.

WS-23 is a similar compound but gives its effect more on the tongue than Koolada / WS-3.

Read more here Cooler than Menthol

 

[somekindofvape]

ok guys, quick update.
I added another 1% koolada and i still didnt feel the coolness i wanted.
I added another percent so i got to a total of 3% and still nothing.
I have let it steep for a night with the cap open and today I almost burned my lungs. (stupid i know)
So for me, it seems letting the juice steep for a good day or 2 and making sure you let some oxigen do its work, will do the trick!

 

[IDJoel]

ok guys, quick update.
I added another 1% koolada and i still didnt feel the coolness i wanted.
I added another percent so i got to a total of 3% and still nothing.
I have let it steep for a night with the cap open and today I almost burned my lungs. (stupid i know)
So for me, it seems letting the juice steep for a good day or 2 and making sure you let some oxigen do its work, will do the trick!

I am curious about what finished PG/VG ratio you are mixing to? If it is a high/max VG ratio, I could see extra time required to permit complete blending.

I am also stymied by why there would be any benefit gained from allowing this to breathe (off-gas). Most often this only benefits flavor concentrates containing ethyl alcohol (and TFA Koolada contains no alcohol). Unnecessary exposure to open air, or even excessive head-space, can cause unwanted loss of flavor. Highly aromatic flavors are particularly susceptible to this. Note: I am not saying that you are suffering flavor loss with Koolada. Only that, unless there is an unwanted harshness or chemical-like off taste, venting a fresh recipe can cause more harm than good. In my opinion; this is a practice, like heat, that should be understood, and thought twice about how it might help the recipe vs. hurt the recipe, before applying.

The next time you need to mix some up, if you have enough spare containers; I would be interested in seeing you mix up whatever batch size you need, shake it up, and then divide it into two equal containers. Then let one (half) breathe, as you did in your in your initial experiment, and leave the other container closed. If I were a gambling man (I'm not; I'm to stingy for that) I would bet that you won't notice much, if any, difference. After the experiment is over, you can recombine the two, and reclaim the extra bottle.

As a side note; this is what I do anytime I am trying any new technique. I treat only half in the new manner, and leave half alone, so it can act as my control group. That way I can see what, of any difference it makes. It also helps to make only one change at a time, as this makes it much easier to say "this" does (or doesn't) do "that."

 

[bwh79]

I have only used koolada in one recipe, I use it at 1.5% in a 40VG mix and vape it MTL at low wattage. Steeping doesn't seem to affect it any, the cool is subtle but it's definitely still there; it creeps up on me after a couple of hits, like it always has since the juice was fresh. It's more of a feeling than a taste, and I feel it more in the throat and lungs than I do up front in the mouth and on the tongue, although it does give me the "minty lips" sensation when I get a little drop of condensate through the mouthpiece every so once in a while.